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Bombay’s curse: No sense of history

Shobhan Saxena
10 February 2010, 11:17 PM IST

Istanbul: Last week, I tried to argue for making Bombay a more inclusive and liberal city, and my comment box was filled with filthy abuses and self-righteous reactions from Mumbai fanatics who believe that the city belongs to only the Marathi Manoos. Of course, there were comments from others as well, heaping scorn on the champions of the Marathi cause. In the end, it turned into a slanging match between the two factions, with the main issue – whose city is it, anyway? – lost in the cacophony.
 


 Sitting in a café in a street opposite the magnificent Blue Mosque in this city, Bombay looks like a bad dream and a distant memory. Reading stories of lumpen violence in Bombay on the Net is like watching a surreal comic opera which is getting dirty and vicious every day. Here, as snowflakes float down from the murky sky and the city’s cobbled streets turn wet with rain, it’s impossible not to ask yourself this question: Why can’t Bombay, or for that matter Delhi, be like Istanbul? What does Istanbul has we don’t have back home.
 


 


Istanbul is beautiful. The city is green. The streets are clean. There are beautiful mosques. There are magnificent churches. And the people are lovely, walking around and singing in the rain. There is something peaceful about them. Nobody seems to be rushing anywhere. And nobody seems to be jobless. The city is as exotic as a city can be. Every piece of rock here seems to be telling a story – of its glorious past, its golden present.
 


 


Sophaya mosque 


 (Local people near the Sophaya mosque in the heart of the city. Picture: Shobhan Saxena)


 


But it’s not Istanbul’s exotic value that makes it a wonderful city. It’s the people of this city on the Bosporous that make it a lovely place to live. They are proud of their city. But it’s not a nationalistic, chauvinistic love, it’s an emotional attachment with the city and its past. In his book Istanbul, Orhan Pamuk called this feeling huzun. Loosely translated the word huzun means melancholy, but in this city it means just one thing: shared feeling, shared experience, a shared sense of history.  Everyone here -- rich and poor, beautiful and ugly, old residents or recent arrivals – share this feeling. They are aware of their past. They are not lost in some myths.


 


The Sophaya mosque
(The famous Blue Mosque in Sultanahmet area of Istanbul. Picture: Shobhan Saxena)  


 


Last week, in my post, when I said that the name Bombay is a distorted form of Portuguese term Bom Bahia (good bay) given to the small port by the Portuguese merchants, some fanatics accused me of distorting history. They based their argument on mythology. They have no sense of history and that’s Bombay’s biggest curse.


 


The vandals, who are going around smashing cinema halls and taxis, and the hate parties that are creating an atmosphere of fear have one thing in common: they want to interpret the past in the terms of present. That’s their way of grabbing the city which has become what it is – a megapolis and the country’s financial capital – due to the hard work of millions of people who went to Bombay to make a living and in the process contributed to its growth. The list is quite long – the Portuguese, British, Parsis, Gujaratis, Tamils, Malyalis, Biharis, UPiites, Sindhis, Punjabis, Sikhs and Marathis who migrated from other parts of the state to the city. There are many more communities and castes that have made Bombay a city of dreams.
 


 


All these people not only share the future, they also share a past. It’s time we recognized that. If we continue to deny history and define the city in narrow, linguistic-chauvinistic manner, Bombay will become a dangerous, violent place. It has already begun to look like that.
 


It’s time Bombay discovered its huzun and accepted it. 

 

PS: The history deniers should know that there would be no Vada Pao and Pao Bhaji, Bombay's trademark, and Shiv Vada Pao without the Portuguese who brought both Pao (bread) and Batata (potato) to Bombay. In fact, both Pao and Batata are Portuguese words that have become part of Marathi and Bombayia Hindi. In fact, there are dozens of Portuguese words that have become part of our languages. A few examples: Sabun (soap), Taulia (towel), Chaabi (key), Almari (almirah), Mez (table) and Kameez (shirt).   

 

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rajesh says:

February 11,2010 at 12:09 AM IST

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai

(Reply to rajesh)- satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:19 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth

(Reply to satya)- Manohar says:

February 12,2010 at 09:29 PM IST

Why only Mumbai- Satya
Let’s change name of these cities back to original name
Thiruanatpuram – Trivendram
Chenaai - Madras
Kolkotta - Culcutta.

(Reply to satya)- patya says:

February 12,2010 at 11:36 PM IST

I'm not a shiv sainik,nor do i support MNS,NCP,Cong.I vote seeing the candidate.
BUT this time i bet ,i will vote Shiv sena or MNS

(Reply to satya)- altus says:

February 13,2010 at 01:52 AM IST

Satya, do you dare to make this comment about Madras/Chennai or Calcutta/Kolkotta. You are ranting about use of Marathi just have a look in the southern states. I have lived in Madras for two years and it felt I had traveled out of India the only difference was that I did not have to carry a passport or get an visa. I was always referred to as you Northerner.
Since everyone is talking about national integration why not also start talking about section 370. Even 60 years after independence why can't a Indian citizen buy property in Jammu

(Reply to satya)- Mahesh says:

February 13,2010 at 10:10 AM IST

Satya, you are such moron and insane person that it is personified to its limit. You northies are duds failures and good for nothing stuff. You are just remorseless creatures that you deserved to be kicked away from india. The intellect of north indians is a great debate that one could have. They are having traits which are closer to fanatic muslims( since they are very close to pakistan) and also due to historical ruling of mughals over them for centuries. Their integrity cannot be truted and they are not less than any taliban fidayeen.They are osamas of india and ruining the culutural fabric of Mumbai/Maharashtra.Satya, petty , you are not different.

(Reply to satya)- grsum says:

February 13,2010 at 09:27 PM IST

i quote...What does Istanbul has we don’t have back home... dude,Shobhan Saxena, whats wrong with ur english???

(Reply to satya)- Dibya says:

February 14,2010 at 01:56 AM IST

Sobhan, Satya, and people like us(Me no Marathi Manoos) who may belive the way Marathi people are reacting to the issue as eccentric, are blatantly wrong here, that's the reality. Take it or not it has relevance: 'while you are in Rome, you need to do as romans do'. Any locality on earth accept alliens as long as the entrant respects the concerned locality's indigenous values, their language, way of living, etc. If any thing is scorned at, you will be at the receiving end. You can't complain. Take for example, why France has banned Burqa in public places? Because, it is not in compliance with France cultural values. Take another, why indian students are beaten in Australlia(I never support, though)? Why they are singled out? Reason(s):Our Hindi speaking students have a repelling habit of shouting on streets as they do in homeland India, utterly careless about the values of the land they are moving in. Very much a 'Chalta hai' attitude as they do in mother land. In India, this scene is almost always conspicuous. When a few hindi speaking young guys would be roaming around any region other than hindi, the way they would be talking about can only suggest the local people are just morons in their eyes, and they are here to teach them a lesson or two. This, if you have not experianced, you may never reallise(Sometimes they are also found beaten by the locals, but that's the only result you get if you are in Rome and don't behave like romans).

(Reply to satya)- Dibya says:

February 14,2010 at 01:58 AM IST

So, even though Bombay has a history of developments through contributions of outsiders, but there are locals also. Do you argue the sentiments of the locals there will be lost because of this history? Outsiders went there not to develop Bombay, but they found it was a good place to search for a living, and in the course, the contribution came. They should rather be obliged for what they got from the place. And do you think those who contributed to the making of Bomaby have been able doing so without help from local people their? They must have shown some empathy and oneness, in some form or other, with the local people, at least they won't have confronted the local people arrogantly, I belive. So if the outsiders who want to make a carrier from Mumbai must show similar empathy nad oneness with the local people. If not learning Marathi overnight, one must take care that the Marathi speaking people are not contempted by the so called arrogant hindi speaking people(young especially).

It's wrong to think that all the Maratha people in Mumbai are carried away by the politics of the Thakreys. Wake up, it is never possible to fool a whole lot of people by some chauvanistic remarks. It must be simmering within the mass. It is felt by the locals, and they just wanted a voice. That's it. So let's respect the local peoples' sentiments. So long as we are in Mumbai, lets behave as mumbaikers do. Matter Khalaas.

(Reply to satya)- Camellia says:

February 15,2010 at 06:56 PM IST

Hi, Bombay is a great city, thanks to the contribution of people from all over India including the locals. However, it's prosperity is declining thanks to the hate polictics of certain politicians who want to secure their vote banks. At present there is no politician who cares

(Reply to rajesh)- shiv says:

February 12,2010 at 08:07 PM IST

I wish all these mos bombed just like aurang jeb and gajni destroyed our temples.

(Reply to rajesh)- sagar` says:

February 12,2010 at 08:24 PM IST

See..the local and the majority would like to call the city Mumbai/....so please respect that feeling and call it Mumbai..thats all we want...try to adjust with us and not make us adjust with you...Thats the unwritten rule to live and let other live happily....when u go to other country u try to speak their language as well so that locals do not feel they are neglected in their own city/ state/ country.....same is w/ maharashtra...respect it...

(Reply to rajesh)- asala kasala masala pisala says:

February 13,2010 at 04:08 AM IST

Let the truth be out there for all to see:

600 BC — First known permanent settlement.
300 BC — Part of Ashokas Empire.
900 to 1300 — part of Hindu Silhara dynasty.
1343 — Part of the Gujarat sultanate.
1431 - Haji Ali Dargah built.
1508 — Francisco de Almeida sailed into the deep natural harbour.
1534 — Mumbai ceded to the Portuguese.
1661 — Portuguese Princess Catherine of Braganza brings Bom Bahia to King Charles II of England as part of her marriage dowry.
1668/1669 — British East India Company leased the seven islands of Bombay from Charles II
1670 — First printing press imported to Bombay by Parsi businessman Bhimji Parikh

(Reply to rajesh)- asala kasala masala pisala says:

February 13,2010 at 04:09 AM IST

1672 — Consecration of the first Tower of Silence and first Fire temple (Hirji Vachha Agiary, now defunct)
1675 — Population estimated to have risen to 60,000 from 10,000 in 1661.
1675 — The Mumba Devi temple built near the main landing site on the former Bori Bunder creek or inlet, against the north wall of the English Fort Saint George.
1709 — First attested private Parsi Adaran (in the home of Banaji Limji). Continues to be the oldest continuously-burning Zoroastrian fire in Mumbai (now in the Limji Agiary, Fort).
1735 — Start of shipbuilding industry (Wadia docks, Duncan docks)
1750 — Asia's first dry dock built by Lovji Wadia in Bombay
1777 — First newspaper published in Bombay by Rustom Kersaspjee

(Reply to rajesh)- asala kasala masala pisala says:

February 13,2010 at 04:10 AM IST

1801 - Siddhivinayak temple built at Prabhadevi.
June 19, 1810 — HMS Minden floated, first Royal Navy ship built outside the British Isles and from the deck of which the Star Spangled Banner would be composed
1822 — First vernacular language newspaper in Bombay, Mumbai Samachar published by Fardunjee Marzban. India's oldest newspaper still being published.
1838 — First edition of Bombay Times and Journal of Commerce launched
1845 — Grant Medical College founded.
1846 — Mahim Causeway between Salsette and Mahim completed.
April 16, 1853 — First railway line in India between Bombay and Thane.
1854 — First cotton mill started.
1857 — University of Bombay established.

(Reply to rajesh)- asala says:

February 13,2010 at 04:10 AM IST

1858 — The Chartered Bank of India, Australia and China opens its Bombay branch.
1864 — The Bombay, Baroda, and Central India Railway (later merged with other railways to form Western Railway) is extended to Bombay.
1870 — Bombay Port Trust formed.
1872 — Bombay Municipal Corporation founded.
1885 — Indian National Congress formed at Gowalia Tank Maidan.
1887 — Victoria Jubilee Technological Institute (VJTI) established. First and only institute offering degree in engineering until 1960.
1890 — Robert Harris, 4th Baron Harris arrives to take over as Governor of the Presidency of Bombay.
1893 — Sectarian rioting between Hindus and Muslims.
1896 — Famine followed by break out of bubonic plague. Waldemar Haffkine begins plague research at Grant Medical College.
1897 — Haffkine announces plague vaccine, tests it on himself and on volunteers from Byculla Jail.
1899 - Mumbai plague epidemic

(Reply to rajesh)- asala says:

February 13,2010 at 04:11 AM IST

1900 — By this year, 45 trains of Western Railway in each direction were carrying over one million passengers annually.
1911 — King George V and Queen Mary visit Bombay. Gateway of India is built to commemorate their arrival.
1913 — Sydenham College established. The First College of Commerce in Asia.
January 12, 1915 — Gandhi returns to India from South Africa at Mumbai.
January 22, 1926 — King Edward Memorial Hospital inaugurated.
July 15, 1926 — First motorised bus ran between Afghan Church and Crawford Market.
1928 — The first electric train runs between Churchgate and Borivali.
1930 — Mumbai Cricket Association established.
October 15, 1932 — J. R. D. Tata flew from Karachi to Bombay via Ahmedabad landing on a grass strip at Juhu paving the way for civil aviation in India.
1934 — UDCT established. First institute dedicated to research in Chemical Engineering in India.
1940 — reclamation of land that will become Nariman Point begins.
August 8, 1942 — Quit India Movement declaration passed at Gowalia Tank Maidan.
April 14, 1944 — Bombay Harbour Explosion kills scores of people and hurls debris up to 3 km away.
1958 — IIT Bombay established in Powai.

(Reply to rajesh)- Sagar Ogale says:

February 13,2010 at 04:19 PM IST

I am a proud Maharashtrian and am a proud Indian as well. I pity the people who ask me to order whether you are a Maharashtrian first or an Indian. I would only ask them one question do you love your parents more than your spouse and kids. Except for the odd exception I am sure everyone reasonable would get the message.

I make a humble appeal to all the intellectuals like Mr Saxsena and many other friends who are fitting with clenched fists on this and so many other forums..... Is it pre-requisite for a society to have all its members thinking the same thing to sustain...? This is a myth feed to us in the information we receive.

Also, for all the war-mongoring going on I would ask all intellectuals a few questions. Is it not true that our National language is not thought as a compulsory language in all states of our contry? When did Maharashtra ever make a seperation demand from the rest of the country? Why does nobody (and I am counting the intellectuls here too) wants to disscuss about managing migration...? Why is it that the people who migrate to Mumbai and Maharashtra come from a land much more rich in natural wealth..? The list is endless.

I am sure that there can be endless pro and anti Maharashra questions added.. Why don't we sit and find a solution to these questions...?

As a final appeal I would ask everyone to remember the slogan thought to us all : "Unity in diversity". Jai Hind. Jai Maharashtra and Jai all other 27 states in India !!!

(Reply to rajesh)- Vivek w says:

February 14,2010 at 04:10 PM IST

Bombay was never a bay to be called Bom Bahia.. It was just island with good harbour.
While Gujaratis and Marathis always called it Mumbai. Stop distorting history.

 

anand says:

February 11,2010 at 12:52 AM IST

u said it simply .i also went through ur last article which u have mentioned here ..i think the way u express ur thoughts is superb .i saw that many of the intellectuals well qualified persons were supporting this nonsense drool of thackerys brothers .
these politicians always try to make their way to power by adopting a chauvinistic way .the layman or an illiterate person may fell to such nonsense ...but when these well educated(mumbai fanatics) people talking in this way ...then i think there is not any difference between two entity of society .
though i wanna repeat that plz dont fall on such drool of politicians ..coz they played for their own fat ass. there is nothing like u nd me ..
over nd out .....:)

(Reply to anand)- Mandar says:

February 11,2010 at 08:14 PM IST

Remember you “so called intellectuals well qualified person” what happened when West Pakistan tried to impose their culture and language on East Pakistan. Listen you “Well educated person” In your attempt to condemned politician you are insulting Marathi people those who do not support this leader.
If person differ your opinion then you count them in one category. This is ridiculous.

Hindi language is not even accepted by constitution as a national language. This only got status of language use for official use. Let me tell you half of India do not use this for official use. Then what this fuss about if we want to use Marathi in Maharashtra territory.

People like you will lick foreigner’s feet and happily accept shit ( Portuguese –BOM- Bhai) given by them.
Advice to southern and east states of Republic States of India and see what response you get, probably worse then this.

(Reply to Mandar)- Chandra Shekhar says:

February 12,2010 at 06:10 PM IST

u stupid person, seems like ur parents have not educated u enough. what is this marathi, east 7 south India. Our country is ONE and mad ppl like u can not destroy this. If u do so one day u will go into history as dead ppl. Shameless person go ask ur parents to first give u some decent eductaion and learn more about our country's history and culture. If u have so much hatred against our national language (hindi) better kick out of our nation.

(Reply to Chandra Shekhar)- Mandar says:

February 12,2010 at 07:00 PM IST

Thanks Mr

You proved my statement. Instead of reading carefully and understanding you jumped up with that thought I mentioned. I understand you’re Kerala. Go and tell this to your state.
I did not use any wrong word for you it shows that my parent gave me good education not your. Mirchi Lagi

Thanks again

(Reply to Chandra Shekhar)- Mandar says:

February 12,2010 at 07:15 PM IST

Mr
For your information hindi is not national language it is language selected for offical use.
Anyway i don't want to discuss this anymore with people like you
Goodby

(Reply to Chandra Shekhar)- Naren says:

February 13,2010 at 05:36 PM IST

FYI ..... Hindi is not our national language. It was never notified that way. Its just the most widely spoken language of the country. I dont have anything against hindi though.

(Reply to Mandar)- Jai says:

February 12,2010 at 08:18 PM IST

Hey Idiot do u even know what r u talking bout.
Bombay is today what it is cause of the migrants that have come here ... remember it were u Marathis who brought down the biggest sector of the city once - Textile - by all ur stupid strikes and demands. Migrants from other parts try to work harder and harder to fulfill their demands and not just make demands after demands with the same amount of work that u people give.

(Reply to Jai)- Mandar says:

March 03,2010 at 02:28 PM IST

here it comes one more Hindi Fanatic. Hey you Hindi fanatic.
F Y I. Read my all comments in order (date). I can't type it again

(Reply to Mandar)- Gaurav says:

February 13,2010 at 04:51 PM IST

No Mandar!
Only you are taking offensive. Therefore, He is insulting you..... Moreover, he is not. Rather, you are feeling like "Shobhan is insulting Mandar". And, you are taking it on all Marathi Maanoos? How Sick??? Please marathi manoos. Fight your own battle yourself. We are not with you on this sick argument. God bless you.

(Reply to Gaurav)- Mandar says:

February 26,2010 at 08:56 PM IST

Gaurav Bhargava
Why are you taking it personally? People talk about unity, unity only comes if we respect each others culture and language.
Anyway I do not expect support from Hindi Fanatic

(Reply to anand)- Mandar says:

February 12,2010 at 01:13 AM IST

Dear Anand
Most of the intellectuals well qualified people were opposing author's crap piece of Portugess history and his attempt to reclaim Mumbai on that ground.I do not think any one over here supporting Thackery. What they did was wrong.We all condemned it.
What does that sound to you? Any one who will try to separate Mumbai from Maharastra will be oppose by all level of Maharastrian society.
Thackery hasn't changed mane of city but Indian goverment changed name of three cities by doing amendment in law, and by calling Bombay he is braking law.After this he will start calling Calcutta, Madras. If he continues I am going to make a complaint to Times of India and if they don't ask him to correct it then i have to take it further.
I think he feels guilty that's why he is hiding his face in the photo.
The way he writes

(Reply to Mandar)- Shailesh says:

February 12,2010 at 02:20 PM IST

Look at yourself dude .. how much hatred you have got due to this dirty politics for your own country men. Its really sad that this dirty politics of hatred is brain washing young mind like you.

Soon you will see every other state is fighting for useless issues among themselves and as country once again we will be on back foot. First Britishers divided us and ruled now people like Thakrey family following the same principle.

(Reply to Shailesh)- Mandar says:

February 12,2010 at 06:54 PM IST

Where did you find hatred in my comments? It means you haven’t gone through properly and/or didn’t understand. If we defend any move to separate any city from State and our language, culture. These so called intellectuals well qualified persons accused us saying – Mumbai Fanatic.
Don’t you think author writes bolgs on crap Portuguese history and people of Hindi lovers accused us- Marathi fanatic? Then what are they? They are Hindi fanatic. We are in same boat – what you (not personally you) are doing we are doing same. Author first started writing bias and crap bolg. Author is Hindi Fanatic.

One more think I am not that young you think of I am middle age mature person who has gone through ups and down. It dosen’t mean that I would entertain such filthy, crap bolg.

You stop doing this dirty politic and we will stop.

(Reply to Mandar)- Bombayite says:

February 12,2010 at 10:13 PM IST

Dear Mandar.. Chill down and go have some vada pau. There is no law in the country which says one can not use the old name of a city after it has been changed to whatever.

Alas a fanatic like you who loves denying history will ignore that as well.

Ny the way.. If you must give credence to anyone for the sheer existence of Bombay, then pray understand that it was the British who recognised the potential of the island cluster, it was the British -and not kohlis who undertook the civic projecy of filling up the sea to link the cluster to form the city which is today Bombay.

So if history has any significance for you, then thank the British for the city.

(Reply to Bombayite)- Mandar says:

March 03,2010 at 05:31 PM IST

Here is one more Hindi fanatic.

Haammm Try using old name in Chainai. Tiruanantpuram.

(Reply to Bombayite)- Mandar says:

March 04,2010 at 10:40 PM IST

Here is one more Hindi fanatic.

Haammm Try using old name in Chainai. Tiruanantpuram.

(Reply to Mandar)- James says:

February 13,2010 at 01:31 AM IST

Just one question for you...who has put this into your mind that people other than the Thackerays are trying to separate Mumbai from Maharashtra??? If a certain section living in Mumbai doesn't want to communicate in Marathi then what is the big problem? If thackerays want to stick to that shit and make a big deal out of it to stay in the news then they should also kick bollywood out of Mumbai unless they use Marathi as the primary language...Are you understanding the point I am trying to make? It is like making a mountain of a mole-hill! There are better things to do than fight over language issues.
Mumbai is not getting separated from Maharashtra if people don't communicate in Marathi...lol!
And yes, also tell those fanatic sainiks and their leaders to change the name of Mumbai to Bombay on international level or at least Ask him to just sponsor on a personal level the name changing of BSE to MSE (Mumbai Stock Exchange).
The world knows Mumbai as Bombay at any international airport. So basically it has 2 names like Delhi is also called Delhi and Dilli in normal usage! What is the fuss in calling Mumbai or Bombay that you people get so hyper and violent??!!

(Reply to James)- Mandar says:

March 03,2010 at 05:32 PM IST

What are you talking James ? Who else can be other than author (undercover agent for Hindi fanatic leaders). You cant see authors hatred towards Marathi, Marathi history, culture

(Reply to James)- Mandar says:

March 03,2010 at 05:33 PM IST

Cont....
Even in airline industry many have been changed from Bombay to Mumbai. This change will take some time because airlines buy costly software system from Software Company and it cost lot for them to change it overnight. Gradually that will happen.
Single person cant go on their own to do this changes and those party speak on their behalf cant be held responsible or claim ownership for those changes.
Now about Bollywood (should call Lollywood). Now days they produce more movies for UK and US Lollywood fan. They can move any where in the world

(Reply to James)- Mandar says:

March 04,2010 at 10:45 PM IST

What are you talking James ? Who else can be other than author (undercover agent for Hindi fanatic leaders). You cant see authors hatred towards Marathi, Marathi history, culture

(Reply to James)- Mandar says:

March 04,2010 at 10:46 PM IST

Cont....
Surprisingly those who named Bombay call it MUMBAI now days and Indian people are keen to call Bombay. They prefer to call themselves with English names even they are not Christian. What does that show? After 60 years of independence still slaves are in India.
Even in airline industry many have been changed from Bombay to Mumbai. This change will take some time because airlines buy costly software system from Software Company and it cost lot for them to change it overnight. Gradually that will happen.
Single person cant go on their own to do this changes and those party speak on their behalf cant be held responsible or claim ownership for those changes.
Now about Bollywood (should call Lollywood). Now days they produce more movies for UK and US Lollywood fan. They can move any where in the world.

(Reply to anand)- J. Gomes says:

February 12,2010 at 11:55 AM IST

I agree that Istanbul is beautiful city and those people are law abiding people. Here in India, we can't hang a lone Pakistani terrorist Kasab and spedning crores of rupees. Can author tell what is the ratio of population vs area of the city Istanbul. There should be some limit of migration to the city and everybody who earn from the city should spend some amount to development of Mumbai city and not sucking the blood of the city. Why cann't Indian politicians develope their own area like UP, who had most of PMs and still those poor people have to migrate to Mumbai.
This is because of all those corrupt politicians and business houses, who just want to creat their wealth and not spend on city.

(Reply to J. Gomes)- common_indian says:

February 13,2010 at 10:49 AM IST

Population density has nothing to do with the well-being of a city e.g. Hong Kong, Toky, Singapore etc - they were all equivalent to Mumbai in 1947 and see where they are now !

(Reply to J. Gomes)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 02:44 AM IST

well,man people come to mumbai cos all the industries r here,minus alll these corporate houses and the job facilities,none will come to mumbai or take it any other city,delhi,chennai,bengallurru included.mumbai is made for all people though i only accept a small fact that people comin from other parts of india(remember there is no immigrants in ur own country,and if this be the case then thacrey's themselves came from MP),this all adds up to development of india,all companies recruit the cream from IIT n IIM n give them job n placemen tin mumbai office,so y u opposing,if u think u r so worthy of the job,then man crack IIT n earn it,dnt fite like barbarians n get it,
india is for all and so is mumbai,sachin was also dragged into it by foolish bal thackrey,sachin,the man who has given blood and sweat for india,broken so many bones,u question him.look into ur heart and ask what am i doing?dividng the nation,love and respect all indians and the nation will flourish

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- Mandar says:

February 28,2010 at 11:07 PM IST

Pushkar
It is a demand of time that companies should move their corporate offices in other part of country to ease load on Mumbai.I am fully aware that we would loose revenue from those companies same time i believe other part of the country will also be developed.
I agree with you people move from one place to other inside country shouldn't call Immigrant.
I am not a thacrey's supporter.My parents are from Indore. My ancestor went there with Maratha armies. They adopted living style, language over there. When my parent came in Maharastra they use to speak hindi Marathi. They change their life style and language during course of time. Why people who live in Maharastra for generation respect local culture and language.
I am also fan of Sachin and i also didn't like what happened with Sachin but please he is a player do not give him Solider status.They play for country and they do get rewards for their contribution.
Every one talk about unity but unity only comes when we respect each others culture and language.My objection was to authors slave mentality which accepts shit given by former ruller and on that bases his attempt to distort history taking advantage of current situation.
Even today if you get chance listen carefully hwo English people pronounce MUMBAI it does sound like Bombay.

(Reply to J. Gomes)- Kunal says:

February 14,2010 at 01:48 PM IST

It's no use convincing people Mr Gomes these people don't have ears. They don't feel the pulse cause the don't have the heart. They oblivious to the plight of localites of Mumbai. People like this author (who i think has shit for culture) are locust. They come in by hoards and destroy the farms and leave when nothings left. There was once a beautifull city called mumbai and migration and bengali ghuspethi's ruined it. I bet this author is related to atleast one person who was put on train and asked to go back to bengal only to return back illegaly. What say people. Lets have Aman ki aasha and give roses to terrorist who planted bombs in maharashtra

(Reply to anand)- Mandar says:

February 13,2010 at 04:01 AM IST

First I would like it make it clear I am not SS or MNS follower but because of them if you accuse me Mumbai fantic

 

Navneet Anand says:

February 11,2010 at 01:05 AM IST

Shobhan: You have beautifully captured the contradictions of the two cities. Brave repartee to those fanatics who slam your secular and global perspective. Keep it up.

 

MASOOM RAHMANI (U.S.A.) says:

February 11,2010 at 01:22 AM IST

Thank you Mr. Saxena for writing such a beautiful blog on recent controversy over Bombay with such a deep sense of sadness and melancholy which every Indian can feel. The last paragraph of your article breaks the heart of true Indian.
Bombay has its own beauty which no Indian city can be compared with. Marine Drive, Juhu beach, Ajanta Alora caves all are exclusive tourist attraction.
Cosmopolitan look, mixed culture, Bolly wood Hangama, many world famous Poets, writers, Artists, a city humming with activities, flourishing businesses and natural beauty no Indian city can match it.
I have never been to Istanbul but as you described it appeared to be beautiful, people are enjoying its beauty without any sense of religious feeling, beautiful splendid structures of Churches and Mosques are standing together giving people sense of proud. You are right people gather the same sense from Bombay, may God save Bombay from any catastrophe and make it more beautiful and enjoyable. Aameen !!!

 

Harsha says:

February 11,2010 at 01:35 AM IST

Mr Shoban Saxena,

The word "Bombay" in your article is conspicuous; and it signifies that the intention behind this conspicuousness is to humiliate and irritate the Marathis or local people. The animosity towards the people of Mumbai and the arrogance displayed by you in your article towards a language that is an Indian language deserves condemnation. This is not unity in diversity and certainly not a respect for diversity.

Chauvinistic elements are to be condemned. But in a hurry and opposition to chauvinistic elements, your article seems to be on the other end of the chauvinism - "Bombay".

There is no dearth of people visiting foreign locales and write about the greatness of foreign locales in comparison to that of India. But what have you done to bond the people of Maharastra with the rest of India? You are only trying to further alienate the people.

Mumbai belongs to India. Fine and agreed. Does Marathi belongs to India and is Marathi an Indian language? If so, then what prohibits people coming from outside Maharastra to learn and respect the diversity of India?

You get hurt when Hindi is not learnt by Tamil nadu people, you question their national identity! But why do not Marathi people of India do not get hurt when you do not want to learn their language and then you want call them Bombay instead of Mumbai!?

What you do not understand is, you are gradually destroying the country called India - a melting pot of race, religion and culture. You have to amalgamate everything, but take care that you do not expect that the melting pot is only of one colour - the colour of Hindi!!!

(Reply to Harsha)- Satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:20 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth

(Reply to Harsha)- Bombayite says:

February 12,2010 at 10:27 PM IST

Pot calling the kettle black!!

 

Harsha says:

February 11,2010 at 01:38 AM IST

Mr Shoban Saxena,

The word "Bombay" in your article is conspicuous; and it signifies that the intention behind this conspicuousness is to humiliate and irritate the Marathis or local people. The animosity towards the people of Mumbai and the arrogance displayed by you in your article towards a language that is an Indian language deserves condemnation. This is not unity in diversity and certainly not a respect for diversity.

Chauvinistic elements are to be condemned. But in a hurry and opposition to chauvinistic elements, your article seems to be on the other end of the chauvinism - "Bombay".

There is no dearth of people visiting foreign locales and write about the greatness of foreign locales in comparison to that of India. But what have you done to bond the people of Maharastra with the rest of India? You are only trying to further alienate the people.

Mumbai belongs to India. Fine and agreed. Does Marathi belongs to India and is Marathi an Indian language? If so, then what prohibits people coming from outside Maharastra to learn and respect the diversity of India?

You get hurt when Hindi is not learnt by Tamil nadu people, you question their national identity! But why do not Marathi people of India do not get hurt when you do not want to learn their language and then you want call them Bombay instead of Mumbai!?

What you do not understand is, you are gradually destroying the country called India - a melting pot of race, religion and culture. You have to amalgamate everything, but take care that you do not expect that the melting pot is only of one colour - the colour of Hindi!!!

(Reply to Harsha)- Rajeev.B.G says:

February 11,2010 at 06:01 PM IST

My dear friend, wats the big fuss about the languages?? just sit back relax and think, y do we need a language?? simple, A language is just a tool to communicate thats it.. pls do not start propaganda wars for a version of communication.. we are better than animals because we can interact efficiently and really not for speaking in marathi or hindi or some south indian language, per se..
Instead of fighting for hindi or marathi, be pragmatic and make every1 in this country learn English, which can gear us up to fight with people of other countries for earning a living and a better quality of life for the future..
Jai Hind..

(Reply to Rajeev.B.G)- Parag says:

February 11,2010 at 10:16 PM IST

Pl dont mix up loyalties. One has loyalties at various levels. When it comes to languages I ve loyalty towards Marathi. Sim'ly i ve loyalty towards India as a nation but at different level.

(Reply to Parag)- Vijay says:

February 12,2010 at 09:13 PM IST

Our land is old but India is a new country. Never before in history India in its present geography existed. Since we speak so many languages we require at least some languages as national/ official languages. We should accept Hindi and English as official/ National language and at the same time respect all other languages. Chauvinism should be dispelled and we should stand united. We should see our beautiful country and respect the culture of different regions/ states and not run them down. I know Gujaratis/ Maharastrians who live in South India speak local languages and similarly South Indians and people from other states who are fluent in local languages wherever they live.All of us have to understand that there are few leaders who divide India for their own benefit and hardly follow what they preach.
Long Live India!!! May God Bless our Motherland

(Reply to Rajeev.B.G)- arvind says:

February 13,2010 at 12:33 PM IST

hmm. what the fuss about life then?. if we commit suicide then there is no pain of even communicating.
language like my mother. i can never give it up.

a proud tamil

(Reply to Harsha)- Suhas says:

February 13,2010 at 01:18 AM IST

The writer had said nothing about the language and marathis. All that he is saying is that Mumbai was not built by marathis alone, but by all castes and origins of people. What is more startling is that the things that you claim are completely marathi, like the "vada pao", are actually not, which proves the hollow sense of "Marathism" that the thackerey's are having. It is not people like Shobhan that are trying to destroy Indian unity, but people like Thackerey and advocates of "Mumbai for MArathis" because they are trying to cash in the present affluent mumbai which is built on the hard work of everyone from India.

 

Kundan says:

February 11,2010 at 02:36 AM IST

Protectionism is the only word that can describe the current situation of Mumbai. What is happening with Indians in Australia is the replica of current situation of Mumbai. Mumbai is the place where 400 families come every day in search of job. It has become so crowded that there are struggles at every step, be it about boarding a local or catching a bus. Everywhere, there is chaos.

It is an irony that the development and the growth of the country are confined only to some of the cities and that directly impact the population density. Unfortunately, Mumbai tops the list.

If we can disperse the source of income to 2-tier cities, we can definitely save Mumbai from any disaster.

 

Mandar- London says:

February 11,2010 at 03:40 AM IST

You wrote this blog from Istanbule doesnot mean what you claim is right. You would agree Mumbai is made of seven Islands and Fishermann (Local language Koli)are native people of Mumbai. In every part of mumbai you will find Koliwada.These people are there for more than thousand year and their goddess is Mumba Devi. Mumba Devis mandir is still their and its there for more than five hundred year.This not base on any mythology you can go in Mumbai and verify yourself. I would say you are doing argument based on mythology.
You shouldn't take advantage of current situation to distort history. All Marathas are not supporter of SS and MNS. They want support of Marathas that's why they are doing this thing and by writing such bolgs you are helping them indirectly.Think over it.

(Reply to Mandar- London)- satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:21 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth

(Reply to satya)- Jai, Mumbai Indians says:

February 12,2010 at 09:30 PM IST

...... Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese
--> Thats show that we have that guts to adhere the implied words on MUMBAI and the same time we expect the same from everbody.

..... "The city must be renamed Bombay."
----> Who are you to give such suggestions. Its a constitution amendment. Give this Sugg. to Calcutta (KolKatta), Madras (Chennai), Vizag(Vishakapattanam), Orissa (Odisha) also what about this ... "Peking" to "Beijing", "Burma" to "Myanmar", and "Rangoon" to "Yangon" VICE VERSA.

... Lets accept the change and accept the basic locality.

FYI: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do. " IMLIES TO EVERBODY

(Reply to satya)- Manohar says:

February 12,2010 at 09:35 PM IST

Why only Mumbai- Satya
Let’s change name of these cities back to original name
Thiruanatpuram – Trivendram
Chenaai - Madras
Kolkotta - Culcutta.

(Reply to Mandar- London)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 02:53 AM IST

agar mumbai pehle se tha to bombay kisne naam rakha

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- RD says:

February 15,2010 at 05:33 AM IST

Named by the British who enslaved this country, and perpetuated by the slavish Hindi speaking people of the north, who call it "Bumbayi". For the original inhabitants, it has always been Mumbai.

 

Enthusiastic Indian says:

February 11,2010 at 03:56 AM IST

Again, you have not realized anything from the comments on your article. Its Mumbai and not Bombay.

(Reply to Enthusiastic Indian)- ramesh says:

February 11,2010 at 08:10 PM IST

somebody tell this IDIOT to call it Mumbai otherwise call yourself sex-na (as name doesnt matter)

(Reply to Enthusiastic Indian)- ss says:

February 12,2010 at 10:11 AM IST

I think educated youth like urself indulging in following politicians like thackrey's don't realise that biggest strength of indians is in unity in diversity but if u ppl go on saying mumbai and marathi than better carve a separate nation for urself and suffer

 

axxymax says:

February 11,2010 at 04:20 AM IST

First of all Maharashtra is a numero uno state. all of those who are migrating, are those from those states where there are very less opportunities or horrible living conditions. The fact is clear that maharashtra is the driving force of this nation. And yes the marathi hospitality has been taken for granted for a long time. People who stay in rented houses shouldn't claim it as their own. You may paint the house according the color you like, you may have your favourite wallpaper but after 11 months take your belongings and leave just because you have painted a few wall doesnt mean its your house. thank you for making maharashtra what is today we appreciate it. Now its turn of maharashtrians to take care of our state so let us do it, you do the same in your state now get lost. The biggest contributers for the development of mumbai were the britishers that does not allow them to set claim on mumbai. And maharashtrian has moved on we do not like to dwell in the past. so you and your huzum can take a hike. Just go to an arab guy and say constantinople you will get your answer. Maharashtrians have still not resorted to violance so don't exaggerate. Just as bihar is for biharis so is maharashtra to marathis. and about the history i have read wiki and tell me where does it say maharastrians have contributed very less to the state than the migrated diaspora. People migrated to make money and not with the intention of making mumbai a better place. The problem is the millions migrated havent returned back to their state leaving no space for the locals to grow, walk ,breath.

(Reply to axxymax)- Sumanth says:

February 12,2010 at 02:10 PM IST

Dude maharashtra and bombay without the outsiders would have just had few bhais and dabbawalas. Wonder who the dabbawalas wouuld have catered to...ahh may be the bhais....lol !! To hell with Shiv Sena, MNS, rama sena and all other jerks out there !

(Reply to axxymax)- satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:22 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth

(Reply to axxymax)- safiuddin, M says:

February 12,2010 at 10:33 PM IST

axxymax, arabs have no claim on istanbul; its a turkish city. istanbul was called 'constantinye' (constantinople in turkish) for centuries after it fell into turkish hands....ironically,it was only after kamal ataturk thoroughly secularised the turks that he forced them to call it istanbul....sometime about late 1920s. fyi: even the name 'istanbul' has no turkish or islamic connotations. its aderivative of the greek word which means 'towards the city'.

(Reply to axxymax)- manoos fanoos says:

February 13,2010 at 03:55 AM IST

numero uno state??? ha ha ha.. go stop the farmers from committing suicide..go stop your state from breaking up into vidharba..if you say pune is for marathis.. ok accepted.bombay is a cosmopolitan region.it was called bombay presidency and maharashtra was created as with all states then based on liguistic majority(sic)..now bombay was close to maharashtra so it became inclusive..long before ghatis came, other people have been making bombay..if you resort to violence, the others who have shed their blood and sweat is not going to sit and watch..the situation will become implosive..if not for all, not for you, then!if you want to see what can happen lets see..all this mns,ss,ghatiness will vanish with that..there are certain regions in india which are for all-delhi,bombay etc..other cities will follow suit..and they were built by millions of hands and not by a single group of people..indians wont be anywhere if rich countries didnt outsource..indians are evrywhere because of their talent and hardwork..that analogy applies to all..if bhaiyaas are cheap labor its because they are talented and hard working...period.lets give due respect to them and work towards creating a peaceful city for all..forget about your hospitality..shospitality ...no one eats off your plates.people work hard,create wealth and drive the city.keep your ghati hands off or get ready to learn a lesson from history..like the germans did, the very hard way..the only difference is baloo and rajoo thackerays will be cooling their heels in switzerland while you will be begging the roads of bombay..jai hind

(Reply to manoos fanoos)- Mahesh says:

March 03,2010 at 05:55 PM IST

Why did you stop at delhi, mumbai ect should have gone further Kolkotta, chenai. You wouln't say that because you are coward afriad to mention name which would indicate your originality. who invite you in Mahrastra to spoil your swate, blood. Instead of waisting your time over here you should build presure your Bhaiswala demagh leader to work development of your state where ever you are from?
They are eating chara, living like raja

 

Siddhartha Banerjee says:

February 11,2010 at 08:32 AM IST

Sad.
But this has long been the writing on the wall. About ten years ago on a visit to India, I bought Pinky Virani's "Once was Bombay," a prescient work about the degeneration into hatred of India's greatest city.
Now that the hatred has a Hindu-Hindu character, Bombay's fate is becoming a national issue.
Blood, race and soil are not foundations for politics; they are a prescription for a holocaust.

Siddhartha Banerjee
Oxford, Pennsylvania

(Reply to Siddhartha Banerjee)- Gokul Nadar says:

February 12,2010 at 10:44 AM IST

Very well said, totally agree with you. Thank GOD that Ramprasad Bismil is dead, had he seen the current state of Mumbai, I'm sure he would have changed his dream of "Getting born a hundred times, just to die for his country". All the sacrifices of the martyers have gone down the drain along with Thackery's hypocrite shit. how can someone believe and fall prey to the selfish thoughts of a person who himself, cannot go on without his imported cars and cuban cigar. Ppl pls rekindle the flame of tolerance and unity that this country stood for. Rather then wasting your time on forcing people to learn Marathi, take the initiative to teach them Marathi. I'm basically a south indian and inspite of noone forcing me to learn Marathi I learned it for the love of it a long time ago, and thank GOD I did that because otherwise I would never have been able to enjoy movies like "Shwaas" and "Dombivli Local". Show people whats beautiful about Marathi and they would want to learn it on their own. By forcing someone to do that, we can only make them learn it, not Love it. Anupam Kher in one of his movies (where he played the role of an Army general) said, "The only way I was taught to love my country was by filling my heart with hate for my enemies, and now that I've realized what Love is I regret every moment of my life of ignorance". Marathi Manoos, this is exactly what Thackrey is trying to do here, filling his pockets while creating an illusion of love by forcing you to hate someone u have lived with so long.

(Reply to Gokul Nadar)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 02:57 AM IST

very well said gokul,MNS started this cos they wanted seats in assembly and guess what they did in assembly,beat a fellow MLA,all goons who dnt have employment join MNS to become james bond,den y cry for employment,u hav an excellent resource of employment,join MNS......if kaabil then pass exams n den become something,dnt cry for it

 

Dharmendra says:

February 11,2010 at 10:07 AM IST

sitting in istanbul why r u shitting at mumbai?

(Reply to Dharmendra)- Satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:23 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth.

 

Dharmendra says:

February 11,2010 at 10:07 AM IST

sitting in istanbul why r u shitting at mumbai?

(Reply to Dharmendra)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 02:59 AM IST

den ask ur marathi manoos goon leaders(the thackrey clan) to fight for poverty in vidharbha and ratnagiri region

 

Hitesh says:

February 11,2010 at 11:04 AM IST

Well Said; great Article

 

harvard gomes says:

February 11,2010 at 11:18 AM IST

hey big shot where do u and toi disappear when the hindus were kicked out from kashmir,paksitan adn bdesh and the prime minister says minorities have first claim on resources.how are these facts different,actually they r worse muslims have a sepatrate country for themsleves while hindus dont and yet your congress pm says thwey have first claim and u r lecturing maharashtra ancd cleverly blaming sena as toi employees are required to do to save their jobs. otherwise liberal toi will kick u out . oh so liberal eh.?fasict toi shud understand congress govt is in power,not sena and they shuld protect evryone and u were quiet when congress ally mns was attacking northindians.
if u censor this it is u who are the fanatic and dont show ur face again hypocrite.wow what double standardsall for a hate sena agenda. let us see u write a blog on kashmir and mms fisr claim comment.
or get lost loser. these facts against hindus are years old when u were hiding in some rathole. okay so here is ur chance to write blogs against congress mr liberal. and liberals dont cenor right to free speech of commenters like this one.let us see u post it

(Reply to harvard gomes)- Satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:24 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth

 

harvard gomes says:

February 11,2010 at 11:19 AM IST

hey big shot where do u and toi disappear when the hindus were kicked out from kashmir,paksitan adn bdesh and the prime minister says minorities have first claim on resources.how are these facts different,actually they r worse muslims have a sepatrate country for themsleves while hindus dont and yet your congress pm says thwey have first claim and u r lecturing maharashtra ancd cleverly blaming sena as toi employees are required to do to save their jobs. otherwise liberal toi will kick u out . oh so liberal eh.?fasict toi shud understand congress govt is in power,not sena and they shuld protect evryone and u were quiet when congress ally mns was attacking northindians.
if u censor this it is u who are the fanatic and dont show ur face again hypocrite.wow what double standardsall for a hate sena agenda. let us see u write a blog on kashmir and mms fisr claim comment.
or get lost loser. these facts against hindus are years old when u were hiding in some rathole. okay so here is ur chance to write blogs against congress mr liberal. and liberals dont cenor right to free speech of commenters like this one.let us see u post it

(Reply to harvard gomes)- Marathi Muslim says:

February 12,2010 at 10:31 AM IST

Mr Harvard Gomes, probably the current state of affairs in Mumbai is more due to the regionalism and language recognition and acceptance so please dont involve religion in it. There are huge number of proud marathi muslims fighting for the same issue of mumbai for marathis and if you want to be part of mumbai, simply become marathi, irrespective of regligion.

(Reply to Marathi Muslim)- harvard gomes says:

February 13,2010 at 04:01 AM IST

muslims bring religion into everything and now they r making srk a hit overseas and media and srk and karan know that.it is u who bring religion in and keep quiet when kashmiri hindus fled and mms said firt claim.why shud religion not be brought in because u say so and u r a muslim.what is wrong with the logic and the obvious political motives of the toi and tehir pro congress double standards.
is it okay to kick hindus when muslims do it in their majority regions.isnt the logic the same india for all indians wwhich rahul and toi lectures about.it is congrerss who divides india with reservations and votebank like rervations for muslims and u keep quiet.
u are supporting mumbai for maarthis due to your reasons but poele lik u vote for congress because it benefits u.the logic is if india is for all indians,congress should have beeen under 24-7 campaign for it actions like mms comments kashmir and resrvations and it is in power.
u cant have it both ways.u muslims are indoctrinated from birth and cannot understand logic and will go and vote the corrupt congress in power again and again and the country gets looted and yes do family planning even if mullah forbids
and 7th century religion logic does not apply.

(Reply to Marathi Muslim)- salil says:

February 13,2010 at 05:34 PM IST

Marathi Muslim,
Thanks for your comments. These north indians are anyway bastards. They cannot do anything without destroying cities they live in. They haven't done anything in UP/Bihar. Go outside, grab land, evict local people and then create all sorts of bloody noises. Day is not far when india will break because of this hegemony. Better south india, maharashtra and gujart for a separate country. May be not now but I think that's the way forward. Past has shown how Peshwas were defeated in Panipat because these Hindoos did not help. So religion has no bearing on this subject. It's the attitude of these headless chickens.

 

huzun says:

February 11,2010 at 11:26 AM IST

who are you to call someone's history mythology? Its another matter if you dont believe ur "mythology/history" but dont disrespect those who feel "huzun" (to quoute your clever writing) towards their Mumbai/Bombay. And for the record, I'm not a marathi, a vandalizer or anything else you'd want to label like minded ppl as.

(Reply to huzun)- satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:25 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth.

 

Ashok Gupta says:

February 11,2010 at 12:13 PM IST

Dear Mr.Saxena
Though partly I agree with you. May I ask what is the population of Istanbul? And what is the density of humans is Istanbul vis-a vis to Mumbai or Bombay? Is it anywhere comparable? Mumbai is providing bread to almost 200 millions of people.

Had you compared Mumbai with New York with a population of 300 millions , it would have looked more comparable.

More over how many religious communities are there other than Muslims. When you have more religious communities, you need more places of worships like Temples /Mosques/ Churches/ Gurudwaras/ Monastries and you need more burial grounds as well.

It is very difficult for a town like Mumbai to take a load of over 200 million people from different faiths/ cultures, where even the basic amenities like sanitation are not available.
If people are fighting- though they should not-, there should not be big surprises, as long as they get united during the time of aggressions -internal and externals.
In a joint family-where there are more children-Tu Tu - Main Main always continues, sometimes even on petty matters. But if they get united, if there an outside aggression or a third person intervens,Then it is O.Kay.
Donot get depressed.
Regards.

(Reply to Ashok Gupta)- Hari says:

February 12,2010 at 12:56 AM IST

Hey big guy .. Obviously you were sleeping during geography class. New York does not have 300 million people because the whole of America has only about 300 million people.

Istanbul is the fifth largest city in the world with 12.8 million people. Mumbai is slightly bigger with 14 million people. So the cities are comparable.

www.indiafirsthand.com

(Reply to Hari)- shane says:

February 12,2010 at 05:42 AM IST

turkey is an islmaic country and istanbul is not cramped geographically like mumbai and many mumbai migrants dont pay taxes for toilets water,etc only in congress ruled india which muslims will support based on religion and nothing else and lecture about secularism which turkey does not have with islamic party having major inflence. does istanbul allow people just to camp on the road in shanties withoiut legal rights and papers.
no country allows that except corrupt congress ruled india which even allows illegal bangladeshis for votebank.is congress not required to follow law?and yet u people support it and the same toi types turn around and lecture about law and rights.
what a bunch of frauds.

(Reply to Hari)- Ashok Gupta says:

February 12,2010 at 08:03 PM IST

Dear Hari
You are right. My apoology. Thanks for corrections. It is actually 30 million, so no comparison.
Regards

(Reply to Hari)- Ashok Gupta says:

February 12,2010 at 09:09 PM IST

Dear Hari
You are right. My apologies to you and the readers. Actually New York population is 30 Million and not 300 million. So the comparision was wrong.I take this post back.
Regards

(Reply to Hari)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:07 AM IST

what stats

(Reply to Ashok Gupta)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:06 AM IST

thats what dear,if in joint family some member creates nuinsance then punishment is given,same should be given to mr raj who is divinding this country

 

ashish says:

February 11,2010 at 12:19 PM IST

"The list is quite long – the Portuguese, British, Parsis, Gujaratis, Tamils, Malyalis, Biharis, UPiites, Sindhis, Punjabis, Sikhs and Marathis who migrated from other parts of the state to the city." --- In that order.

 

Anana Parmarkar says:

February 11,2010 at 12:59 PM IST

Stop writing like a moron.Including Marathis at the end of everyone else tells a lot about you.
Please leave our city and go to UP or Bihar or wherever you are from.

(Reply to Anana Parmarkar)- indian says:

February 11,2010 at 10:17 PM IST

Nobody's stoping the marathis from going anywhere so why this?And you must not forget Mumbai was, is and will be a part of India whether you like it or not.When a terrorist attacks happens in Mumbai the entire country unites against terrorism.Fine agreed there are problems regarding languages etc.But please for god sake these are not national issues which should be above the national identity.

Long Live India...

(Reply to indian)- Mandar says:

February 12,2010 at 02:05 PM IST

Hey Indian Bro relax
Nobody is saying Mumabai is not part of India. Everyone stress on Mumabai is part of Maharastra and Maharastra is state of Rebuplic state of India.
Like Gujrat belongs to Gujrati People first , UP belongs to UP people first...What's wrong in that?
No political party trying to overcome this problem. They should develope other part of country. If you see Istambule city's map and Mumabai's map you will relalise in Mumbai density of population per sq.km is much more than any other city in world. Many business have been moved to Gujrat, AP, Karnatak. Like that many more need to move or start their business in other state. Unfortunatly they are not intrested in other part of country because infrasturcture problem.
Recollect what happened when West Pakistan tried to impose their punjabi culture and Language on East Pakistan Bengali people though religion was same.

(Reply to Mandar)- Indian says:

February 12,2010 at 08:16 PM IST

All in all I am saying this don't take regional identity above the national identity.I do understand that there are some problems regarding languages,migration,job opportunities being lost.We have to realise that these problems are because of us Indians only.We have so many premonitions and prejudices against each other.For example even after 60 years of independence north Indians continue to have stereotypes against south Indians,Marathis have stereotypes against oter people, other people have stereotypes against Marathis and so on.We have never made an effort to forget these premonitions and learnt to respect other cultures,religions etc.Its just like when we see any north east Indians we like complete morons think of them as Chinese.So I am saying that we have to solve our regional disparities;but not at the cost of our national identity.My anger is in no way directed against the "Marathis manoos" cause,rather it is against all those fools like the Thackerays who create fuss over peaceful things.Because of these people instead of accepting and respecting other cultures our stereotytpes increase and we further "dis-unite".Such stupid people have to be stopped.And your statement is perfectly valid and true.

(Reply to Mandar)- Indian says:

February 12,2010 at 08:35 PM IST

I am saying that our national identity should be above everything.I am not saying that Mumbai doesn't belong to Maharashtra at all.It is after all we Indians responsible for alienating every Indian from one another.Even after 60 yrs of Independence we still have prejudices against one another.For example Punjabis have certain stereotypes south Indians and vice versa,Biharis have some stereotypes against Marathis and vice versa and the list continues on and on.What you are saying is absolutely true,no one can enforce a "culture" upon anyone else.When we see north east Indians we think they must be Chinese.Most of us our not even aware that we have states in our north east.A few months back a NE Indian CM of some state(I dont remember which one,my bad) said that Indians were racist in a way against other fellow Indians.What he said was absolutely true.Most of the north Indians very deregoratively(spelling might be bad,again my bad) refer to Tamilians as "madrasi".All of us instead of respecting other cultures and integrating start making fun of it.And my anger is directed against those Thackerays who for political mileage start vandalising public property and create a huge nuisance.And because of them the stereotypes increase and bingo we become disunited and fight amongst ourselves..

(Reply to Mandar)- Indian 2 says:

March 04,2010 at 06:14 PM IST

Do marathis get beaten in London or US because they steal jobs of locals, do the population of London or US publicly object if you cant talk properly in english, my neighbour is marathi in bangalore, does he know kannada. What happens if marathis in india or abroad get beaten if they are accused of stealing jobs

(Reply to indian)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:10 AM IST

just disappointing to see 13 morons disaggreeing to this

(Reply to Anana Parmarkar)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:09 AM IST

den check ur dynasty where u came from,even if u r from vidharba den bloody go there,half of ur labour is from bihar,if they all go then who will work as labourer in mumbai,will u work mr parmakar?

 

ramesh says:

February 11,2010 at 01:02 PM IST

Dont teach us history
Do u know history of "Sayuct Maharashtra sangram"
Do u know who are aacharya atre and c d deshmukh?

People who doesnt respect local culture should be punished.
There are lots of problems in India Why your dearest SRK doesnt talk about that and have so much love with Pak

Go and teach your toughts in madras,calculta,assam

 

Indian Fighter says:

February 11,2010 at 01:17 PM IST

Hi...!

You have to go to 8th Class to learn history

Dear,
The history of Mumbai recounts the growth of a collection of seven islands on the west coast of India, becoming the commercial capital of the nation, and one of the most populous cities in the world. Although human habitation existed since the Stone Age, the Kolis, a fishing community, were the earliest known settlers of the islands. The Maurya Empire gained control of the islands during the 3rd century BCE, and transformed it into a centre of Hindu and Buddhist culture and religion. Later, between the 2nd century BCE and 9th century CE, the islands came under the control of successive indigenous dynasties: Satavahanas, Abhiras, Vakatakas, Kalachuris, Konkan Mauryas, Chalukyas and Rashtrakutas, before being ruled by the Silharas from 810 to 1260.

King Bhimdev established his kingdom in the region in the late 13th century, and brought many settlers to the islands. The Muslim rulers of Gujarat captured the islands in 1348, and they were later governed by the Gujarat Sultanate from 1391 to 1534. The Treaty of Bassein between the Portuguese viceroy Nuno da Cunha and Bahadur Shah of the Gujarat Sultanate placed the islands into Portuguese possession in 1534. Charles II of England received possession of the islands in 1661 as part of the dowry of Catherine of Braganza, daughter of King John IV of Portugal, and leased them to the British East India Company in 1668.

So re think 1000 times u F*** (FINE)Editor..!!!

Jai Hind,
Jai Maharashtra.

(Reply to Indian Fighter)- Prasanna says:

February 11,2010 at 07:35 PM IST

Largly Impressive, but the duffer Shobhan wont be able to grasp any of it, its too big for his tiny little brain. In tomorrows blog he will again show case this as flithy and abusive...

(Reply to Indian Fighter)- indian says:

February 11,2010 at 10:20 PM IST

umm,leave the history to a qualified historian n dont hijack this also....the author of the blog maybe wrong...and i don't you know something abt history too,9the century bc comes before 2nd century alwasy....first get this basic concept right in the head...

Long live India

(Reply to indian)- indian says:

February 12,2010 at 09:57 AM IST

And I almost forgot to mention in 9th century BC all those empires you wrote about didn't even exist...Thats why leave history to a qualified historian...
Long Live India

(Reply to indian)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:13 AM IST

ahhahahahhahhahahhahahahhaha

 

A S CHAUHAN says:

February 11,2010 at 01:30 PM IST

Bombay's Curse:No sense of history:-Shobhan Saxena
The writer has taken a lot of pains to dispel the likely wrong notion amongst the locals in Mumbai about the historical background ,once a Portuguese island . The panoramic description so depicted about the beautiful city of ISTANBUL is par excellence indeed . The details about the people ,the surroundings , the multi cultural populace & the 'Half -n- Half' culture i.e. Islamic & Christian speaks volumes about the residents . TURKEY is thee only Islamic country which is part of EUROPE ! The picturesque scenery is simply unbelievable . Why we INDIANS cant learn something from ISTANBUL, the world famous most liked city & let the city remain the Crown Jewel of India : belonging to all of us ?We must learn from the history : read & re-read it in case not sure about it . Let us follow the suit & sincerely make attempts to create more cities on the patron of Turkey's ISTANBUL . Our progeny will never excuse us of our ignorance about the Metro City of India 'MUMBAI ( BOMBAY ) if we still remain glued to the sectarian philosophy .

 

Ashish says:

February 11,2010 at 02:00 PM IST

Very well written article.Small problem though, I dont think more than half of the population speaks a different language than the other half.Also,as is in case of Bombay/Mumbai/Bambai the first half itself comprises of many many distinctly different languages.Is it the same case for Istanbul??

 

ramesh says:

February 11,2010 at 02:09 PM IST

no comments still now
I am sure you will only be getting abuses from wise ppl for such non-sense article

 

Dharmendra says:

February 11,2010 at 02:13 PM IST

pagal kya bolta hai tu

 

Bharata says:

February 11,2010 at 02:55 PM IST

Funny, there is no negative reactions to what you have said in this blog. I believe people having sane mind and thought process will accept this fact. Those who are self ignorant suffer by cutting the very branch they are seated on.

(Reply to Bharata)- anita says:

February 12,2010 at 05:48 AM IST

the guy is atoi fascist who lectures about the ills of fascism and fruds others by posing as a liberal.englishmedia is full of such egotistic jokers who could not do anything else.thy get low marks and know english and get picked up elmedia who are ownded by congress nad hindu hating countries. and these guys dont stop at the propaganda they lecture hindus and bjp-sena only while congress divides india by quotas,when these frauds disappear into a hole and dont remeber we r all indians.lowest life will censorthis like other comments and then call himself a fascist. what a pathetic loser. let us see if he publishes this

(Reply to anita)- Indian says:

February 12,2010 at 08:36 PM IST

Stop bringing religion into this debate.

 

Bharata says:

February 11,2010 at 02:55 PM IST

Funny, there is no negative reactions to what you have said in this blog. I believe people having sane mind and thought process will accept this fact. Those who are self ignorant suffer by cutting the very branch they are seated on.

 

Sharda Bhargav - The Confiscated Soul says:

February 11,2010 at 02:57 PM IST

Thanks for beautiful pictures of Istambul and vivid description of people. We don't have matching progressive thinking.

 

Bharata says:

February 11,2010 at 02:58 PM IST

Funny, there is no negative reactions to what you have said in this blog. I believe people having sane mind and thought process will accept this fact. Those who are self ignorant suffer by cutting the very branch they are seated on.

 

Rajeev.B.G says:

February 11,2010 at 03:44 PM IST

List of Cliches of the Decade:

1)Thackeray
2)Marathi Manoos( Actually, I've nothing to dislike about the friendly maharashtrians)
3)Mumbai a.k.a Bombay

It is getting on everybody's nerves so please cut the crap and stop chanting these words..

 

Sanjay says:

February 11,2010 at 04:43 PM IST

yawwnnnnnnnnn..

 

abhijeet says:

February 11,2010 at 04:54 PM IST

Great thought sir. We as an indian needs more liberal thought processing. There is no reason to complain what is happening to us in Australia. We can not talk of racism, when its so predominant in our own hinterland

(Reply to abhijeet)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:16 AM IST

well said abhijeet
if a marathi manoos(he is indian first) is killed in australia,then the nation will unite and candles all round,den y cry like this for mumbai

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- Mandar says:

February 26,2010 at 09:30 PM IST

That wouldn’t happen because only highly qualified Marathi people go outside India and they don’t do low profile work abroad. They don’t go on student visa and drive cab in Australia. They try their best to adopt local culture, language quickly. Like other people they don’t shout on the public place to make aware local that they are from other planet.
Marathi people follow this even when they to go out in other state to work

(Reply to Mandar )- Mandar says:

February 27,2010 at 11:36 PM IST

Dear editor,
Why did you edit last three sentences. Those were just examples of celebrity originally from Maharashtra who settles in the other states of India and adopt culture and language of those states.

 

Manashi Pathak says:

February 11,2010 at 05:03 PM IST

Very rightly said. I was thinking of pursuing my higher studies from some premiere institutions in Bombay/Mumbai, but the way things are going and me being from another state, makes me think twice. I know i have talent, so should i just walk away and invest elsewhere? Won't it be Bombay/Mumbai's loss? if every talented Indian walks away from the City of dream(now Nightmare), then what will be left of Bombay/Mumbai? its time people put some thinking before ranting off illogical statements. Get a life, warmongers!

(Reply to Manashi Pathak)- Indian says:

February 13,2010 at 06:43 PM IST

sir plz stay in your region and work towards its development.. u will be doing freat service to your motherland.. we need to build 10 Mumbai's in India.

(Reply to Manashi Pathak)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:18 AM IST

well said manashi,dnt come here,these politicians here r mad,they damage shops of locals and only do is to order damage of property

(Reply to Manashi Pathak)- Sunil Kadam says:

February 26,2010 at 07:01 PM IST

What you think that your the only talented person left on this earth.... who cares if u don't cum to mumbai..... We have lots of talent in our own sand........ Suck-ena has gone mad.... he is comparing mumbai with other cities....... Please know the ground realities first then be bark on ur blog...............

 

Mandar - London says:

February 11,2010 at 06:15 PM IST

People like you who claim Mumabi (not Bombay learn to respect country’s decision- That wasn’t Thackerys decision) belongs to India and not Maharashtra because people from all over country contribute towards its growth and that’s why it should be reclaim back. Then you are real danger where ever you go and that tend to support people like Thackery and you are responsible for that.

People from all over the India (mainly from Punjab-came illegally - as per UK authority ) came in London in last 5-6 decades and did low profile jobs- cleaning, swiping, working in shopping moll, cab driver and so on. Some of them became business men and now millioner. They are playing major role in UK’s economy.
If people like you claim that London belongs to Punjabis in turn Indian. They will also kick you’re A**C.
Using your theory Pakistan should claim Delhi and North India because that was once part of Mughal Empire and they also contributed towards development.
You forced me to say that take those people you mentioned , business out of Maharashtra and turn Kolkotta, Chennai, Bangalore cosmopolitan and then claim those back. I am confident those business wouldn’t prefer to go those states because those sates are more fanatic then Mahrastrian . We Mahrastrian are too much liberal when it comes to languages. It’s our mistake we did allow those things to happen.
You know this very well if you force southern states too much on these issues
they will threat you to pull out of “Republic states of India”

(Reply to Mandar - London)- Smita - USA says:

February 13,2010 at 03:22 AM IST

Awesome dude! right on spot.Mumbai does belong to India, But Mumbai is capital of Maharashtra. And if Bihar's and UP bhaiyya's are responsible for mumbai's progress, how the hell is the whole population of bhaiyya's responsible for UP and Bihar. Look where UP Bihar is, quite progressive.

Saxena is typical TOI appointed so called journalist, who write blogs to insult people. Get a real job!

(Reply to Mandar - London)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:19 AM IST

crap,if u so liberal then whats the mirchi now

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- Mandar says:

February 26,2010 at 09:22 PM IST

Are you Breech? Read my comments in the sequence and if you don’t understand then I am sorry I can’t help you out.

 

Mandar - London says:

February 11,2010 at 06:16 PM IST

Cont....
You have done too much study on foreign languages; it would have help if you had done on Indian History & Culture.

I have read all responses to your previous block. If you just want positive response mentioned it in your blog.
You are bias and not impartial. I know you wouldn’t publish my comments on you bolg.
People like you think you got job with media and you can twist think as you wish or your company’s owner’s wish, then you are wrong. You media people will be held responsible for uprising of people like thackery. Be sensible.

 

Amit says:

February 11,2010 at 07:35 PM IST

Very rightly said Mr. Saxena! I loved your both the articles on Bombay. It is high time people not to fall into propaganda by some political parties and their goons. Bombay is slowly turning into Indian NWFP where people are doing everything in fear of some terrorist-like groups. Today Multiplexes are not screening a movie fearing a FATWA provided by Shiv Sena.. Bombay is running by goons and the people have to realize it as soon as possible, otherwise it will turn worse than NWFP or Kabul in near future.

 

Mak says:

February 11,2010 at 07:52 PM IST

Shobhan, your history in Mumbai dates only 3 years back - so what your locus standi in being so judgmental here? You are on very flimsy grounds and can be easily challenged about your understanding of the city and its culture. To me it seems that you belong to the class of husbands who like the neighbor’s wife more than their own. So everything in the neighborhood looks better than your own courtyard, right?
So for your kind information and in the larger interest of the peace of this nation I would like to bring a basic fact to the notice -

The population density in Istanbul is less than 6,500 people per square kilometer. in Mumbai the population density is more than 22,000 people per square kilometer. Almost 3 times more.

Do you now get it?

You had a beautiful wife too. But you had too many children and ruined her beauty.

Learn from thy neighbor.

(Reply to Mak)- sheela says:

February 12,2010 at 10:50 AM IST

good rebut mac,these secular english media are bottom ranked without brains and are fforced to become scribes with unscrupulous congress owend elmedia.this guy only had one job and that is to bash sena for his toi bosses who do that for congress bosses.no facts statistics density etc required.india is for all indians does not apply when shobhna's congress divides india for reservations and votebanks and for hindus in kashmir and when mms makes muslims have first claim
and hindus r kicked out from kashmir.shame on these guys and see how holier than thou they act.even sec 420 frauds dont do that whhen toi betrays trust of readers and r frauds and now this liberal will censor this an dlecture about mfhusain free speech as is toi habit

 

ramesh says:

February 11,2010 at 08:23 PM IST

This writer is repeatedly using bombay word.
How TOI newspaper can be such careless that it is giving freedom for their low journalist to write anything which could sentiments of large population.
If u have GUTS write same articles about madras and calcutta and try to justify them why their old names are better and TRUST me u will get same(or maybe even more) abuses from madrasis and bengalis which u are getting now from TRUE Mubaikars

I am waiting for ur article on madras and calcutta
let us see..............

(Reply to ramesh)- Mandar says:

February 12,2010 at 02:30 PM IST

Well said Ramesh
He hasn't got balls to write about Madras and Culcutta. He is purposely saying Bombay instead of Mumbai. I really do not understand how can Times of India allow this crap person to write. If that's their standard then we people should turn back to Tmes of India. Let them write blogs and let them read on their own. I will observe him and if he continues then i will make a complaint to paper and if they don't take seriously then i will take it further.

(Reply to Mandar)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:22 AM IST

then mandar if u so angry with TOI den dnt read it and waste ur pretty time,use it in developing dharavi

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- Mandar says:

February 26,2010 at 09:38 PM IST

That’s none of your business. You people from Davarvi do trading and Business in million and don’t pay taxes and expect from government to clean you shit( Dharavi discharge toxic chemical in river Mitthi- people called it Dharavi nala) free of cost. First pay taxes and then expect. Don't say how do I know- Whole world knows about Dharavi.

 

Pervez khan says:

February 11,2010 at 10:19 PM IST

Bombay.. a victim of its own success.Peace

 

Harsh says:

February 12,2010 at 02:56 AM IST

The only people who can understand the plight of our Marathi brothers today are the Kannadigas, because if Marathi people lose their Mumbai today then Kannadigas will lose Bangalore tomorrow. I request all Indian brothers whether they be Bengali, Hindi, Telugu or Punjabi to please respect the Marathi sentiments over Mumbai. Let us all respect each others regional identities. That is how India has always existed in harmony from centuries. There is no point in trying to create a homogeneous India. Unity will come by respecting diversity not by destroying diversity. Let us all give back Mumbai to our Marathi brothers. Then I let me tell you, they will themselves welcome other Indians with open heart.

(Reply to Harsh)- samadh says:

February 13,2010 at 10:09 AM IST

Yours is a good one and sensible. I hope all Indians (including the Author) read this and become more sensible. A small correction..."BENGALURU".

(Reply to Harsh)- arvind says:

February 13,2010 at 12:29 PM IST

man iam a tamil and i salute you.
we have to find unity in diversity and should not be afraid of our diversity. This is what the present governments seem to be doing.

I can feel how are you feeling your lost culture man. These fools dont have an idea how it feels to live your own city like an alien.

(Reply to arvind)- Harsh says:

February 16,2010 at 02:55 PM IST

@arvind, You have put it very well. We should find unity in diversity; we should not be afraid of diversity, which the present govt seems to be doing.

(Reply to Harsh)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:23 AM IST

i nominate harsh for the president of MNS

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- Harsh says:

February 16,2010 at 03:01 PM IST

@Pushkar, I respect Raj Thackeray and MNS even though I am not a Maharashtrian. MNS has its place in history. They are protecting the Maharashtrian identity just like DMK in Tamilnadu, KRV in Karnataka, and TDP in andhra. Even though the consititution does not say it, I believe that Hindi is our national language and also that we are Indians first. But our Hindi/Indian identity should not be built on the deadbodies of regional identities.

 

AKSHAY_MARATHI says:

February 12,2010 at 03:40 AM IST

ACTUALY U NEED MENTAL HELP MR. sexena ,

UR CALLING MUMBAI AS BOMBAY ON PURPOSE, U WANT US TO SHOW LOW CLASS AND BACKWARD .BUT ARE NOTHING BUT HOLLOW POT WE MAKE NOISE.

IF MUMBAI BELONGS TO ALL THEN , THEN EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE PROUD OF " NOT TO MAKE FUN OF IT AS SAYING IT BOMBAY"

WHAT PROBLEM U HAV TO CALL IT MUMBAI.

WHY DO'T U WRITE ABT. MADRAS & CALCUTTA.

GAT WELL SOON.

(Reply to AKSHAY_MARATHI)- Vikram says:

February 12,2010 at 10:42 PM IST

Yes, we will deliberately call it Bombay.

The only reason is because your MNS and Shiv Sena are using goondagiri to force people. Otherwise we had no problem calling it Mumbai.

(Reply to AKSHAY_MARATHI)- Hitesh says:

February 13,2010 at 03:24 AM IST

But you are not low class how can he show you such? Do you think in the back of your mind that you are low class? It seems that he is saying Bombay is the original name of city not Mumbai. Did he say anything else? You just read what you wanted to read. Throw away the anger it is not good. You are a fellow Indian. Nobody wants to hurt you. Nobody wants to disrespect your culture or your language. Just think for a second if your childish anger spills to those who are protecting us day and night at border then what will happen. We all have a responsibility towards this nation. So, why don't you write about Madras and Calcutta if you think something happened there which should not have? Being an Indian you have equal rights on those cities.

(Reply to Hitesh )- Mahesh says:

March 03,2010 at 06:15 PM IST

I have copied and attached one sentence which clears authors intention. -- The fact is that when the Portuguese arrived in what is now Bombay --. I can understand if he use Bombay elsewhere in his attempt to address problem.

His deliberate attempt to hurt use cant be tolerated.

 

maya says:

February 12,2010 at 05:58 AM IST

istanbul is an islamic country's major city.just see how many are muslims in istanbul and produce those facts .turkey has a major islamic party.they follow the law and dont allow illegal bangladeshi and squatters without legal rights like congress everyone pays taxes for amenities unlike mumbai under corrupt congress rule . first ask your toi masters to ask their congress masters to stop illegal bangladeshis and make everyomne pay taxes.otherwise put this piece in the guiness book of most funny jokes.

 

Rohit says:

February 12,2010 at 09:12 AM IST

Wonderfully Written, Mr Saxena- I share your thoughts about the issue at hand and the comparison to Orhan Pamuk's book. I think Mumbai, in all its beauty, still has a lot of issues to be addressed. That explains the Venom being spewed all over the article you've written.

 

Murli Menon says:

February 12,2010 at 10:57 AM IST

Most of you, if not all, have made this "innocous" observation of a Traveller ( we all do that when we travel abroad - compare to our City & feel sad that India could have been a better place to live in.... anyway , thats another story) has now turned into a street fight about IDENTITY.
This is what happens when we people Sympathise oe Entertain small minded, petty politicians ,as the one presently creating a ruckus about nothing.

What is overlooked is the basic right of any Indian to speak his mind ( and this blog is a reflection of that free speech). If you dont agree with what i say, you can speak up too.... but in civilised societies no one beats you up for having a counter view.

Today those with Political power ( euphemism for Goonda raj) have "chamcha's / cronies" at your beck and call who will cause damage to the very fabric of this Republic called India. My counter to this - If i find comments by these people offensive & it hurt my sensibilities, can i rustle up a few like minded people & throw stones & damage their homes ?????

The point here is whether the change of name from Bomaby to Mumbai brought up a dramatic difference in the character of this city. Sadly, its better called SLUMBAI. Living here is virtual Hell.

What should have been noted from the article was how beautiful a city Istanbul must be & how we could make our Mumbai livable.
And not bring down every discussion into a street brawl , like the politicians do.

 

Sharp says:

February 12,2010 at 11:54 AM IST

Time is ripe enough to make Maharashtra a separate nation like Pakistan. It can't be so called Democratic or Secular. It will be just for Hindu + Marathi language literate both inclusive. No Christian or Muslim be allowed to enter this city. Even if you are a Hindu, you should not be allowed to enter into this state until you are a Marathi literate. No companies set up by non-Maharashtrians should be allowed to remain here. All Reliance / Infosys set up by non-marathis should be thrown out. All this damn actors coming from places like West Bengal/Delhi etc should be thrown out. All trains/flights from other states or countries should be abandoned. All marathis working in Bangalore/ Hyderabad/Gurgaon etc should be released at once and sent back to the country "Maharashtra". All Maharahtrian/Non-maharashtrian combined couple should be given divorce at once. Not a single minute should be wasted in cancelling the admissions of Maharashtrian people studying in IIMs which Maharashtra doesn't boast off. All companies producing goods in Maharashtra should be banned from entering in other parts of country. All mineral resources / agricultural products should be banned from entering into the country "Maharashtra". Maharashtra is the best and the rest of India- the worst .

(Reply to Sharp)- Smita says:

February 13,2010 at 03:35 AM IST

wow, every non-maharashtrian leave maharashtra, and vice-a-versa. ..would like to see that. No bhaiyya's and bihar's in the local train. No bhaiyya spitting on the road, so less crime. More food for everyone (Dont forget Kokan agriculture)more petrol (mumbai coast petrol line), excellent IT jobs (pune is 2nd most popular IT hub)thats a great deal..I'm with you. Please get out of my city and my state!

(Reply to Sharp)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:25 AM IST

hey mother of this mr sharp,get ur son admitted to mental hospital

 

Sharp says:

February 12,2010 at 11:55 AM IST

Time is ripe enough to make Maharashtra a separate nation like Pakistan. It can't be so called Democratic or Secular. It will be just for Hindu + Marathi language literate both inclusive. No Christian or Muslim be allowed to enter this city. Even if you are a Hindu, you should not be allowed to enter into this state until you are a Marathi literate. No companies set up by non-Maharashtrians should be allowed to remain here. All Reliance / Infosys set up by non-marathis should be thrown out. All this damn actors coming from places like West Bengal/Delhi etc should be thrown out. All trains/flights from other states or countries should be abandoned. All marathis working in Bangalore/ Hyderabad/Gurgaon etc should be released at once and sent back to the country "Maharashtra". All Maharahtrian/Non-maharashtrian combined couple should be given divorce at once. Not a single minute should be wasted in cancelling the admissions of Maharashtrian people studying in IIMs which Maharashtra doesn't boast off. All companies producing goods in Maharashtra should be banned from entering in other parts of country. All mineral resources / agricultural products should be banned from entering into the country "Maharashtra". Maharashtra is the best and the rest of India- the worst .

(Reply to Sharp)- vijay agarwal says:

February 12,2010 at 09:57 PM IST

... and long live Bal/Raj Thackeray ...

(Reply to Sharp)- Nagaraju M says:

February 13,2010 at 01:37 PM IST

I guess this is a brilliant idea. Break the federation and make Maharshtra a separate nation. Then Karnataka will take clue and break away. Then Tamils will also break away Gujrat will not want to be in the federation also. All these states currently feed for rest of the nation. So ideall they dont want this cross subsidizing or unfair distribution of wealth. The feeling that I make all the money and you spend it where people dont want to go to schools or work hard.

So what will be left of the federation if all these states break away? Punjab and Kashmir are already asking out. North Eastern states are also asking out.

So what remains is Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, MP, Chattisgarh

(Reply to Sharp)- Kunal says:

February 16,2010 at 11:24 AM IST

IMS has faculty full of Maharashtrians. Yes i think they should come back. They are wasting their time teaching bird brains like you.

 

tintin says:

February 12,2010 at 11:57 AM IST

Mr Sax,

Yes sitting in front of Haighya sofia or Blue mosque sipping a chai, and write an article about 'Istanbul is so peaceful' looks great.

Without understanding the language, without understanding the culture, You will notice only the visitor crowd who are mostly foreigners looking happy and dancing in rain. Just walk a few feet away to Atakay see the subway loaded with guns. Go to Taksim sqaure and notice everyday procession happening for political reasons. Cross the sultanahmet bridge and see the actual Turkey. Living conditions are worser than in Mumbai.

There lies differences of opinion between Armenians and Turks or the Kurds within their own country. Famous writer was shot dead in Taksim square.

See if they are democratic? 99.7% belong to one religion in the country. There is no tolerance for any other religion.

Take a stroll on the asian side of Istanbul and then write the story again.

(Reply to tintin)- Samadh says:

February 13,2010 at 09:55 AM IST

Gr8 Job Man!
Isnt this enough as an evidence about the the authors knowledge

 

Amit Kikani says:

February 12,2010 at 12:00 PM IST

Like the topic of India-Pakistan or Hindu-Muslim or Congress-BJP, Marathi Manoos in Mumbai has become a hot topic for all and sundry because it gives instant publicity. The fact is that local person in Mumbai does not care. When you travel by taxi, auto or stop at a delicious vada pau joint or stand in First class compartment of a coach, people dont simply care. And thats the real strength of Mumbai which unites it. The Thackerays and Shahrukhs speak what suit them to gain publicity - even they know. If a giant like Left in Bengal can crack, MNS or Shiv Sena are tiny. Look at the Election results, they will either change or vanish one day.

(Reply to Amit Kikani)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:22 AM IST

thanks amit kaka

 

p vijayraghavan says:

February 12,2010 at 12:16 PM IST

Well and truthfully written. Remember, we are poor indians. we like to live in filth, cheat in exams, and dupe everyone we can. We are also corrupt, and prefer to shoot our movies in foreign countries, rather than clean our own motherland. No wonder Winston Churchill said: 'Indians don't deserve independence or freedom'. Pardon me for being such a cynic. I think we should outsource the cleaning Mumbai to the Chinese army. They'll do a great job, very cheap.

(Reply to p vijayraghavan)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:23 AM IST

lol

 

Zoi says:

February 12,2010 at 02:07 PM IST

hey guys where r u heading to.....
Now you want reservations in the name of a state....wake up!!!!! its high time we stop all this nonsense and do something more productive

 

sanketh parulekar says:

February 12,2010 at 03:10 PM IST

Hi Mr.Saxena,your comment was Great,Better Rename Mumbai to Bombay but comparison of istambul was not Right.
There people are more civilized,educated but here very few educated.
Now its impossible with goonda raj politics,may be next generation we will try to do it.
Mumbai some un educated likes
but Bombay Everyone ,every state Likes
Take a Poll

 

The-Truth says:

February 12,2010 at 03:53 PM IST

Mr Saxena,

Instead of blaming the comments on your prev blogs, why don't you clear your history first. Here is an extract from the book Origin of Bombay...

"As for the Portuguese invention of the name of Bombay we have een already that it was one of the many phonetic changes in the pronounciation of the vernacular designation of Mumba or Mumbadevi, shortened to Mumbai. The Portuguese chroniclers have the following variations- Mumbai, Mombai, Mombay, Mombayb, Mombaym, Bombai and Bombay, the most common being Bombaim."

Don't just write anythng by searching the internet.

 

The-Truth says:

February 12,2010 at 03:53 PM IST

Mr Saxena,

Instead of blaming the comments on your prev blogs, why don't you clear your history first. Here is an extract from the book Origin of Bombay...

"As for the Portuguese invention of the name of Bombay we have een already that it was one of the many phonetic changes in the pronounciation of the vernacular designation of Mumba or Mumbadevi, shortened to Mumbai. The Portuguese chroniclers have the following variations- Mumbai, Mombai, Mombay, Mombayb, Mombaym, Bombai and Bombay, the most common being Bombaim."

Don't just write anythng by searching the internet.

 

Subhan Sakseena says:

February 12,2010 at 05:43 PM IST

MR.Subhann SAKSEENA, Your article is nothing but to spread hetread and cerate controversy.

how does above name sounds to you,So correct your self.Dont call MUMBAI as Bombay.
Stop writitng such pazzzzad articles.

(Reply to Subhan Sakseena)- Vikram says:

February 12,2010 at 10:39 PM IST

Who are you to tell him what to call it?

Who gave you the right to tell people what they should do?

(Reply to Vikram)- Manohar says:

March 03,2010 at 10:56 PM IST

Who gave right to author to write this crap, bias, racist blog and tell us what we should do?

(Reply to Manohar)- AB says:

March 04,2010 at 02:51 AM IST

The right comes from the freedom of expression given the Constitution of India, the same Constitution that gives you the right to post your hateful, idiotic comments.

(Reply to Subhan Sakseena)- pushkar choudhary says:

February 14,2010 at 03:25 AM IST

spread hate and other things,then stop ur goonda MNS and SS first

(Reply to pushkar choudhary)- Abhay says:

February 24,2010 at 11:47 AM IST

No dear, we cannot stop our goonda MNS

 

Amit says:

February 12,2010 at 06:01 PM IST

It is very pathetic to see some comments against the author just for using Bombay in stead of Mumbai. Did the sky fall down on the heads of a bunch of people when anyone calls the city Bombay? It shows the real chauvanism and racism among people of Indian society. The same kind of chauvanism can be seen all over India including people of Calcutta and Madras. And it sounds really funny to me when these same chauvanists claim India would be super power in near future!

(Reply to Amit)- Bipin S. says:

February 12,2010 at 08:08 PM IST

Its Mumbai amit not bombay..Got it?

(Reply to Amit)- Pranav says:

February 13,2010 at 01:14 AM IST

Dear Amit, It's not about sky falling when someone calls Mumbai as Bombay. But just imagine if everytime people refer you, they call you Amir or Alfred instead of Amit. Will you like that? I am sure you wont. Same goes with Mumbai.
I am 100 percent Marathi Manoos but I totally disagree with the violent way of protesting as resorted by SS and MNS. The cause is right but the ways are wrong and because of these methods many educated Marathi ppl are distancing themselves from SS and MNS. It is very unfortunate to see that an entire city is brought to stand still because of whims of one person. No person is greater then the nation.
Marathi Manoos should get preference in Maharashtra but that doesnt mean others cannot work here or are not welcome.
I remember the pledge we used to take in school each day, it says All Indians are my brothers and sisters and I love my country. I hope someone reads it to SS and MNS leaders.

(Reply to Amit)- Mak says:

February 13,2010 at 01:16 PM IST

The real chauvinism is not the reaction to the use of the name - Bombay. The chauvinism in the first place is the sense in which it used in this blog.
The symbolic use of the name in this blog is to deprecate and mock the feelings of the Marathi Manoos which is so repugnant and this fundamental chauvinism is being abhorred here.

(Reply to Amit)- Manohar says:

February 13,2010 at 04:08 PM IST

Sorry Amit,
But if somebody callyou with different name because he likes it. or he wants to call you would you accept. Bombay is the name given by portugues

(Reply to Amit)- deeteeN says:

February 15,2010 at 10:35 PM IST

when the english got the island of manhattan from the dutch the first thing they did was to rename the town at the southern tip from New amsterdam to new york.
I guess the english have much more pride than people like Shobhan

 

Satya says:

February 12,2010 at 07:18 PM IST

Great write-up, Shobhan. you have proved how hollow are the claims of the Marathi Manoos fanatics. Even words like Pav and Batata are Protuguese. These ignorant fools dont know that. The city must be renamed Bombay. the Mumba devi connection is a myth.

(Reply to Satya)- Pranjal Joshi says:

February 12,2010 at 11:15 PM IST

You have lost your senses

 

Kishore says:

February 12,2010 at 07:34 PM IST

It is in our DNA to get divided. It's funny that we cannot accept Hindi but dont feel bad talking and accepting english. Chauvinism is not unique to Mumbai. Just go to Bengaluru and you will know that there is a similar sena there too. Regionalism is spreading and some where deep down we all are responsible. Also I feel the media needs a villain and a hero every day. Today's villain was the sena and the hero SRK. Tomorrow it will be someone else. Last year this time, everyone was spewing venom on Pakistan. Now, we seem to have even forgotten 26/11. Even Kasab is not featured by news channels as he has become old news. I dont support either the sena or SRK. SRK could have picked up pak players. After all he was the owner of KKR. What stopped him? No idea. What he said wasn't wrong but I guess everyone needs some publicity.

 

Yatin says:

February 12,2010 at 07:48 PM IST

Mumbai means Mumba = name of the godess & Aai = Mother.
Mumbai originally belonged to Pathare Prabhus, Kolis.

 

Nitin says:

February 12,2010 at 08:19 PM IST

Shobhan Saxena .. rather than bad mouthing the marathis go develop your place.. have you ever pondered and blogged y there is no major magnet city in the north/cow belt (except delhi which survives on tax raked in from developed south) .. you would do great service to your motherland in investing ur energy there.. n live a life of dignity.. stop the bullshit north indian media hegemony.. dont push marathis to the wall.. have u ever done some introspection on why MNS is gaining mass base (wait for few more years before it emerges as the largest party in maharastra).. mass scale migration to entire Maharastra (not just Mumbai) has swamped the locals economically & culturally.. stop adding fuel to the fire.. there is always an other side to the story.. be emphatatic to it

 

Pranab says:

February 12,2010 at 08:35 PM IST

India cant survive by sticking to black and white definitions of right and wrong. We need to do things that are Socially Stable, not morally correct.

Personally, i dont have any problem with your objection to hindi as long as you dont marginalise and belittle those using it.

 

Sagar Gaonkar says:

February 12,2010 at 08:52 PM IST

Dear Mr. Shobhan Saxena ,

I don't know why you are writing this all blogs which say good things about certain langauge & bad things about other or about the mumbai history everyone knows it its on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai)people can get the info from there. As human mentality we always like or say my mother , my son ...my mother tongue language ..and everyone does that and everyone likes his mother tongue language be it a marathi , gujrati,bengali ,tamil.

I just want to say you don't write such blogs which will create more differences between different people of different languages .. I respect Hindi as much as i respect marathi ...& I will feel good if some one comes to my state (my state is a part of india not only mumbai ) & speaks in my langauge..even I try do the same .

Leave mumbai alone ...don't try to cash on this unfortunate incidents happening in Mumbai.

Jai Hind ! Jai Maharastra

 

Manohar says:

February 12,2010 at 09:12 PM IST

Dear Author, well point taken. Shivsena is Bad...that is what you want to say. Can we see what is your thought for the people who left no effort spared in ousting Taslima Nassruddin from India ? You and People like you do not know what you are doing. What shall one say about the so-called modern thinking ( or Secular ???) who can't even utter a word against Muslim fanatism but just because no hindu can spank you, you don not mind spewing venom like this. No wonder organizations like Shivsenas are thriving because Hindus (the ones who are really concerened about reamaining so, I am not talking about the people like you who for name sake call yourself Hindu ) don not see any avenue and directly or indirectly support people like Shiv Sainiks. In your hurry to out do Shivsena what you are doing is to create a deep division in society. Atleast by looking at reactions to your blogs you should have realized it by this time. Atleast wake up now. Stand and be counted as the ones who are really open minded and the real progressive Hindus, the ones who are not those cowards to practice psuedo-secularism. Atleast then we don not need Shivsenas. If you can not do good atleast don not do any harm to Hindu sentiments. Else you only end up making Senas strong.

 

vijay agarwal says:

February 12,2010 at 09:49 PM IST

... the main issue – whose city is it, anyway? – lost in the cacophony.

In Istanbul, Saxena is close to Bombay than I - an UPite who once lived in and loved the city next to his home town Lucknow - am in London ... he is absolutely right ... not just the city but the whole of India and her huzun is lost in the cacophony [of its politicians] ...

 

vijay agarwal says:

February 12,2010 at 09:58 PM IST

... the main issue – whose city is it, anyway? – lost in the cacophony.

In Istanbul, Saxena is close to Bombay than I - an UPite who once lived in and loved the city next to his home town Lucknow - am in London ... he is absolutely right ... not just the city but the whole of India and her huzun is lost in the cacophony [of its politicians] ...

 

Vikram says:

February 12,2010 at 10:38 PM IST

Its not about Mumbai or Bombay. It is about the crushing of individual freedom. It is about goondagiri to enforce an ideology which is hard to digest.

 

Pranab says:

February 12,2010 at 10:42 PM IST

India cant survive by sticking to black and white definitions of right and wrong. We need to do things that are Socially Stable, not morally correct.

Personally, i dont have any problem with your objection to hindi as long as you dont marginalise and belittle those using it.

 

vijay agarwal says:

February 12,2010 at 10:45 PM IST

... the main issue – whose city is it, anyway? – lost in the cacophony.

In Istanbul, Saxena is close to Bombay than I - an UPite who once lived in and loved the city next to his home town Lucknow - am in London ... he is absolutely right ... not just the city but the whole of India and her huzun is lost in the cacophony [of its politicians] ...

 

Sandeep says:

February 12,2010 at 11:05 PM IST

Irony
How ironic that some of the very same liberals on this blog that are berating the marathi manoos for intolerance and discrimination will find nothing wrong in being intolerant and discriminatory against muslims. Thats how it goes- its ok to discriminate so long as its not me you are discriminating against. Even the blacks in the US are ok with racial profiling so long as its against Arabs.

I am a marathi manoos who has lived in mumbai (in the suburbs which dont even exist in the minds of the limousine liberals of south Bombay) for 23 years before leaving for better opportunities elsewhere. Each time I come back to India its not just in Mumbai but even in Pune I find less and less marathi being spoken. I also find more pollution, more crowds. I never felt any love for Mumbai but Pune was special. It was clean, green nice weather, low crime and yes predominantly maharashtrian. By Maharashtrian I dont mean a narrow chauvinistic kind- anyone who speaks the language and is appreciative of its culture and history to me is a maharashtrian. And now all I see on the streets of Pune is hooliganism and eve-teasing. I dont know if this has anything to do with in-migration from people from all over the country but sure seems like that to me. Not for a moment am I suggesting that people subvert the constitution of the country and resort to violence but for all those marathi-bashers out there I can only say that THIS is the real angst that the marathi manoos feels- a sense of alienation from his/her own land. I challenge you- how many of you living in maharashtra for more than a decade actually can even undertand marathi? How many of you living in south bombay (yes I say Bombay and dont feel anything wrong) actually even know a maharashtrian at a personal or family level? The fact that you dont even need to know the local language after a decade of living here- isnt that proof enough of why the marathi manoos is feeling trapped?

 

Ziauddin Shafi says:

February 12,2010 at 11:05 PM IST

Sabun (soap), Taulia (towel), Chaabi (key), Almari (almirah), Mez (table) and Kameez (shirt). Apart from Chaabi, al the other words are originally from Arabic - an influence perhaps of the Arabs empire of Andulisia in the Iberia of yore. Great article. Thanks.

 

gurbally seth says:

February 12,2010 at 11:07 PM IST

How can a Kyastha from UP understand the Marathi mind? If he praises Turkey, Saxena should also know it was the first nation to inflame fanatic reaction to the Prophet cartoons in 2005. Turkey wants to be part of the European Union but it does not want the freedom of expression.

 

Amol says:

February 12,2010 at 11:18 PM IST

Mr.Shobhan Saxitoxin et al.your brazen write up has created flux in my mind .It has just moved me a bit closer to support sena's stand on Mumbai issue.Thank's to your blog,i will keep it in my mind during elections...
(my last two comments weren't displayed by TOI...it's democracy!they say..)

 

Andrew says:

February 12,2010 at 11:18 PM IST

I was born in BOMBAY.Spent my childhood and youth in Bombay. I cannot digest dying in Mumbai. I want to die in BOMBAY.

 

K says:

February 13,2010 at 12:34 AM IST

BASTARD...
bombay was changed to mumbai by majority vote
do you respect that majority..arent you abusing
democracy by going against majority decision..
sicko..bihari..its arrogant , adamant people like you who have forced marathis people to create shiv sena..i dont like SS but when i see ur arrogance i feel they are the right once for those like u who bato ke bhoot latho se nahin mante...

 

Hrishikesh says:

February 13,2010 at 12:48 AM IST

Mr. Saxena there seems to be some serious hatred in your mind that has put it in a state of denial to accept Mumbai as the original name. If you study history to decent details, you will find ample references to the fact that the name Mumbai dates back much before to the Portuguese name Bombay.
As a matter of fact, Portuguese explorer Duarte Barbosa mentions a reference to the city in a complex form, as Tana-Maiambu in 1516. Moreover, Portuguese scholar José Pedro Machado in his Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa (Portuguese Dictionary of Onomastics and Etymology), seems to reject the "Bom Bahia" hypothesis, asserting that Portuguese records mentioning the presence of a bay at the place led the English to assume that the noun.
But your closed mind seems to comfortably ignore all these facts.
Moreover, the local Koli community has occupied this island for somewhere around 2000 years - time when Portuguese ancestors were dwelling in their caves.
Finally, the renaming decision for Mumbai was passed by parliament and hence has become a law now. By repeatedly and intentionally calling it Bombay, you are breaking that law. Are you sure you continually want to do this?
P.S. - While in Istanbul, do you have the guts to suggest the Turks to rename it to its original Roman name Constantinople?

 

rahul says:

February 13,2010 at 02:22 AM IST

well starting today i'l call Mumbai as Bombay...

 

Aditya says:

February 13,2010 at 02:54 AM IST

whatever u write , just respect the fact tht the city is named Mumbai , n not bombay ,

 

rahul says:

February 13,2010 at 02:55 AM IST

well starting today i'l call Mumbai as Bombay...

(Reply to rahul)- Manohar says:

March 03,2010 at 11:22 PM IST

One more person with slave mentality. Those who named it English people they says Mumbai and this black engraj has decided to call it Bom-bhai. Shame on you slave.
Henceforth I will only speak Marathi (thats my mother tongue) and English (because that's International Language)

 

Hari says:

February 13,2010 at 03:16 AM IST

Shane ... you were sleeping during civics class. Turkey is a secular democratic republic just like India. Only 71% of Turks are Muslims. 85% of Indians are Hindus. So Turkey has more minorities as a percentage of its population when compared to India.

It is the fundamental right of an Indian Muslim to vote for the party he/she wants. If they feel comfortable voting for the Congress so be it. Congress Party has the right to cater to its voting block as long as it is within the legal frame work.

This is very similar to certain Hindus who vote for the BJP. The BJP and parties like it obviously are doing things to cater to its voting block.

See ... India is a secular democracy .. not a Hindu republic. The fact that you call the Congress corrupt but give a pass to parties like the BJP, VHP and Shiv Sena shows where your loyalties lie ... it is like the kettle calling the pot black :)

http://indiafirsthand.com/?p=1367#more-1367

 

myopinion says:

February 13,2010 at 05:54 AM IST

Journalistic liberties don't apply to proper names & it's not too much to expect that 'respected' news organization like TOI knows this or may be the whole idea is to stir the pot & generate more hits on the website by pitting people against each other.

Mr.Saxena is completely entitled to his perceptions & intellectual brain waves.If he is really interested in improving Mumbai as he claims,it would help not to create name controversy by being insensitive on purpose & impeding an objective discussion.

The most important word is 'IF', both Mr.Saxena & TOI.Wonder what 'the' editor types have to say rather than 'an' editor of TOI.These 'the's can't just shrug and allow this venom to spread.

 

deepak keshri says:

February 13,2010 at 06:37 AM IST

can't belive..our own countrymen is having so much ill will against each other
during my growing up years in jharkhand ( then it was bihar) there were so many people from outside bihar who came from other states like bengal,andhra orissa up,and from everywhere came to work in this mineral rich state .eventually they settled in cities like jamshedpur,bokaro,ranchi dhanbad..did u guys ever ever heard any politician throwing venom like what thackerys are doing ,,we celebrated chaath,,durga puja,,pongal,,chritsmas everything toghether,, ,,anyone who is supporting thakerys cause i better suggest you get your backpack ready and tour india to see how multiculter multiligual can peacefully co exist in india

 

deepak keshri says:

February 13,2010 at 06:40 AM IST

can't belive..our own countrymen is having so much ill will against each other
during my growing up years in jharkhand ( then it was bihar) there were so many people from outside bihar who came from other states like bengal,andhra orissa up,and from everywhere came to work in this mineral rich state .eventually they settled in cities like jamshedpur,bokaro,ranchi dhanbad..did u guys ever ever heard any politician throwing venom like what thackerys are doing ,,we celebrated chaath,,durga puja,,pongal,,chritsmas everything toghether,, ,,anyone who is supporting thakerys cause i better suggest you get your backpack ready and tour india to see how multiculter multiligual can peacefully co exist in india

 

psha says:

February 13,2010 at 08:32 AM IST

Shobhan Saxena is at it again. First his racist rant against Marathis while supporting name given by dictators. Now he is extolling Istanbul, Turkey where conservatives even after winning majority in elections cannot pursue their agenda because Military dictators won’t allow anything they don’t like. This is again a form of dictatorship. For some reason Shobhan Saxena seems to like dictatorships and their way of doing things. It is sad India has people like Shobhan, they supported British rule for over a century and seem to be still nostalgic about it.

 

pshah says:

February 13,2010 at 08:45 AM IST

Shobhan Saxena is at it again. First his racist rant against Marathi’s while supporting name given by dictators. Now he is extolling Istanbul, Turkey where conservatives even after winning majority in elections cannot pursue their agenda because Military dictators won’t allow anything they don’t like. This is again a form of dictatorship. For some reason Shobhan Saxena seems to like dictatorships and their way of doing things. It is sad India has people like Shobhan, they supported British rule for over a century and seem to be still nostalgic about it. His bias is obvious from his opinion about the comments to his previous article; any one who disagreed with him was posting filthy abuses while those who sported him were just heaping scorn on Marathi’s. Comments supporting you Shobhan were racist to the core just read the comment from Clark Kent, your support of these comments tells a lot about your values than that of Marathi’s.

 

D Chakravarti says:

February 13,2010 at 08:47 AM IST

As the adage goes, its all about the money honey. If Bombay was not the financial capital of India then there would not have been the present tussle for its possession. No one is fighting for Jalgaon or Aurangabad,no one is asking to rename these cities. We have the habit of turning ordinary people into Gods. Turning them into divine figures bigger than the system. Thats why we have 33 million of them and the number is increasing. Thus, no one can arrest Bal Thackrey, Sachin Tendulakar will play till 2050, Sonia Gandhi will be de facto Prime Minister without holding any portfolio. These Gods keep on taking the whole system for a ride according to their limited understanding of the world. Similarly cities like Bombay, Delhi have become bigger than the system pandering to the needs of these Gods. In the present era of communication and connectivity there is no need to base all offices and headquarters in these cities.Any city would serve the purpose. Shift SBI headquarters to Guwahti, the tax collection from Bombay will decrease by 40,000 crores. Shift the Stock Exchange to Bhuvaneshwar.In other words cut these Gods to size. One cannot blame the Thackreys to claim a pie when it has been placed in front of them. Shiv Sena has been making a killing in real estate, cable and film businesses by providing protection and illegal funding.It is the selfish interest of the policy makers, their greed of making profit by first developing an area by concentrating all governement offices, regulatory authorities,etc at one place and then selling the land at very high margins. Everyone goes home happy.This concentration of capital at one place has led to this imbroglio. Make the capital disappear and the so will the problem.Break up the capital into small units and the problem will also be broken into smaller units. Something that the state machinery can handle.

 

Samadh says:

February 13,2010 at 10:57 AM IST

Dear All,
The earlier article by this author was a smash hit. This is his profession. Perhaps he was again instigated or inspired or paid extra bonus for this new blog. Can't you see that he is retaliating whilst being seated (with a Vodka) in some other country. It is not very difficult to write such blogs in those conditions.
Who is this Mr. Shobhan? He is not a Socialist, not an NGO, and definitely not the Mahatma. He is a business man or may be an aspiring politician. He is a manipulator who knows how to put 1 + 1 = 11. People of great india, please understand and let us not fall prey to this. LUV India!

 

AG says:

February 13,2010 at 11:05 AM IST

Very well written,Shobhan. However do remember that you can never have a logical argument with this bigoted minority.
They have no concept of history; because they live in a make believe world.I believe that we,as citizens of India, should ignore them completely.

As for their threats of violence, the Indian republic has successfully dealt with secessionists from Bhindranwale to the ULFA.

 

dinesh says:

February 13,2010 at 11:10 AM IST

as far as i am concerned
the youngster of india should take a stand againtst this people who wants to break india by their idiot thoughts.

the fact is that everybody wants support. but no body wants to start it.all of us should take a stand againts it.

some people are doing it only for the sake of publicity.

i am touched by your article.it is really good.

 

Ziauddin Shafi says:

February 13,2010 at 11:26 AM IST

Sabun (soap), Taulia (towel), Chaabi (key), Almari (almirah), Mez (table) and Kameez (shirt). Leaving Chaabi, the rest of the words are originally from Arabic language, which had gone into the Portuguese as an influence of the Arab's Andalusian empire in the Iberia of yore. Thanks for the write-up, good one indeed.

 

Max says:

February 13,2010 at 11:43 AM IST

The greatest curse of the internet is that any monkey with a keyboard can write sh*t without doing adequate research and pass it off as an article...

This is a prime example of such monkeyshine. I understand that "the bad man" Raj T has hurt Saxena's feelings by abusing his fellow Biharis, but that is no reason to push some tinpot theory about a Portuguese origin of Mumbai's name. Portuguese historians and scholars have themselves dismissed the "Bom-bahia" hypothesis. In fact, "Bom-bahia" is grammatically INCORRECT in Portuguese ("Boa-bahia" would correctly be translated as "good bay"). See http://en.wikipedia.org/Mumbai and read the associated references at the bottom. Just because "batata" and "pav" are Portuguese-derived, does that really prove that the history of the city and its name were entirely shaped by the Portuguese?

You know what your problem is Saxena? You're just angry at the way that your beloved Bihar and its immigrants are being maligned. That's fine and you're entitled to your righteous rage, but it seems that you're fighting to "get back" at the rival community who abused your own community. That is why you're conjuring up discredited arguments to call the city "Bombay". It's "Mumbai". Look it up and deal with it.

 

Nadeem says:

February 13,2010 at 11:45 AM IST

Well, only literate people get involved in violence, harassment, torturing in innocent Indian citizens. If this is literate Marathi Manoos definition then we want to be illiterate. bro, violence and taking law in hands can't be tolerated. Is there any difference between demands of Kashmiris of Free Kashmir, Pujabis of Khalistan and some Marathis of Maharashtra for Maharashtra ONLY for Marathis? give sense to your brains, where we are heading?

 

guna sekhar says:

February 13,2010 at 11:48 AM IST

i am a hindu from malaysia (tamil origin)....

even though i dont approve of thackerays behaviour, its equally shameful that this saxena author insults hindus as mythology, as if we are some kind of barbarian cults....

grow up..... the christians and moslems have done more harm in this planet and humanity than the other pagans and kafirs...

 

arvind says:

February 13,2010 at 12:14 PM IST

iam a tamil and lived in mumbai for several years. I can guarantee that these so called intellectuals dont have a clue about how common marathi people feel.

They always talk about growth as if if these people ( including me ) dont come the people in mumbai would've died instantly.

Think about an old lady who comes from a remote village to her capital. She will feel out of place with this hinglish and so called cosmopolitan culture.

In reality all these people made mumbai'w owners outsiders now.

Keep on writing articles like this in timesofindia and nothing is going to change the genuine feelings of marathi people about thier culture and language. in the end you are the ones who will be splitting the country and not the thackareys who are only letting the feelings of others in a rather crude way.

When you heard about the history of istanbul did you also hear abou the many genocises of the ottaman empire?. How nice it sounced?.

FInaly one word. Mumbai is marathi land. Get off you marons.

 

Sudheeran says:

February 13,2010 at 12:57 PM IST

I liked your first article, and most of the articles you posted here. But this is the worst I have ever read from you. You should read "The rhetoric of change" by Pritish Nandy posted on 8 Feb. That is the reply for you.

 

Mak says:

February 13,2010 at 01:21 PM IST

I have been an avid reader of ToI since very childhood. It pains to see how the quality of this paper and its website has stooped to a new low by allowing people like Shobhan Saxena to write such ridiculous blogs on its site.

Is there a dearth of proper writers in the society who can write with a balanced head and the readers can be spared from reading such filth?

Please vote by agree / disagree and lets see if ToI will take Shobhan off its panel of bloggers here.

 

marathi says:

February 13,2010 at 01:29 PM IST

This Shobhan is filthy brained person with arrognat mindset. i wish him to get well soon.Read some history go and make research and then come up try to preach marathis ( most tolerant ,broad minded and with natinalistic sentiments)

 

Mak says:

February 13,2010 at 01:38 PM IST

I have been an avid reader of ToI since very childhood. It pains to see how the quality of this paper and its website has stooped to a new low by allowing people like Shobhan Saxena to write such ridiculous blogs on its site.

Is there a dearth of proper writers in the society who can write with a balanced head and the readers can be spared from reading such filth?

Please vote by agree / disagree and lets see if ToI will take Shobhan off its panel of bloggers here.

 

S.L.J.Gallyot says:

February 13,2010 at 02:05 PM IST

What Shoban says is a fact. Indians tend to make up stories (myths) and keep repeating it so that a myth is tried to be turned into a fact. This is the standard modus operandi of the Sangh Parivar and its allies. Never admit the truth , as truth is inconvenient seems to be the motto of these persons who dont read history and make up their own convenient history. Long live Bombay.

 

Samadh says:

February 13,2010 at 03:07 PM IST

Dear All,
The earlier article by this author was a smash hit. This is his profession. Perhaps he was again instigated or inspired or paid extra bonus for this new blog. Can't you see that he is retaliating whilst being seated (with a Vodka) in some other country. It is not very difficult to write such blogs in those conditions.
Who is this Mr. Shobhan? He is not a Socialist, not an NGO, and definitely not the Mahatma. He is a business man or may be an aspiring politician. He is a manipulator who knows how to put 1 + 1 = 11. People of great india, please understand and let us not fall prey to this. LUV India!

 

Devendra says:

February 13,2010 at 03:55 PM IST

Mr Saxena,

Congratulations! You must have received a hike for generating traffic on the site by making untrue and controversial statements in the blog.

Unfortunately, it is a business and you people are very honest in doing that. You are sold. It is not only you but well-known people like B. Dutt, Jaya Bachchan, Gul Panag have intentionally used the word 'Bombay' instead of Mumbai. Thackerays - be it Raj and Balasaheb, didn't ever influenced Marathis to use word Mumbai. It comes from within. Even while seeking school education in a remote city in Maharashtra, we have had always hated the word Bombay. It was some 20 years ago when nobody had picked up the issue. So, if you are insisting us to use Bombay - it would always be taken as you are trying to overpower us. Mumbai is ofcourse for all Indians till Marathi is used and respected here. Respect doesn't come by force. It should also come from within - if someone is sane enough to accept the local culture, it would. Even the most popular writer of Maharashtra, Late Mr P L Deshpande had quoted that a true Mumbaikar will always call it 'Mumbai' and not 'Bombay'. So Mr Saxena, don't play with Mumbai. Don't play with the nation. You do not know where this may lead to, probably.

 

Your Muse says:

February 13,2010 at 06:14 PM IST

Mr Saxena, it is great that you want Bombayites to become familiar with their history. But giving Istanbul as an example was not that good. Why? The Muslims of Istanbul are not happy to be reminded that Istanbul was known as Constantinople, in honour of Emperor Constantine, when the Roman Emperor conquered the Greek city. When the Greeks had the city it was known as Byzantium. The now Muslim city, was once the seat of power of West European Christianity, before Rome rose into prominence. The architecture we consider typically Muslim, with the onion shaped dome, is Christian Greek Byzantine architecture! Look at the churches in East European countries as proof, the places Muslims did not conquer. The blue mosque is said to have been a beautiful church. The Muslims are supposed to have been so impressed with the Byzantine architecture that they did not destroy the church but converted it into a mosque. Anyone familiar with Byzantine architecture and churches of that period would notice it.
Indian history written during British period ignored Portugese and Dutch periods. British united hundreds of small independent kingdoms in India to create the large British India. But as Indians we should piece together all our European bits in order to get a complete picture of everything that influenced our culture. We hear often enough about Moghul and British rule, but little about others. Yet in many parts of India, there were Portuguese and Dutch trading posts which influenced the culture. In a couple of pockets there was also Danish and French influence.
So for the sake of truth let us put our history together and learn from its richness without writing make believe mythology about non-existent Vedic times, thousands and thousands of years ago, which merely gives novelists a chance to pass off their ware as history.
Thank you for taking a small step in reconstructing India's complete past, starting with Mumbai.

 

Your Muse says:

February 13,2010 at 06:22 PM IST

The blogger with the name Harsha has got his comment posted twice. Unless it was posted bypassing the moderator, the same comment could not have been posted twice. So I am wondering who gets to post directly.

 

Guptan Veemboor says:

February 13,2010 at 07:36 PM IST

Not only Bombay was changed into Mumbai. Many an old landmarks have been changed to names which gives a false feeling of patriotism or regional chauvanism. Flora Fountain is Hutatma Chouk, King Circle is Maheswari Udyan and like that. Why VTs name was changed? I feel nostalgic when I think of all those old names. The only consolation is that this is not my old Bombay. It is somebody elses Mumbai.

 

Shubendu says:

February 13,2010 at 09:21 PM IST

Dear Shobhan
I liked your previous article and I pretty much agree with what you say about the obsessive Sena goons and their supporters. However, as for your comparisons with Istanbul and Indian cities, I think you were a little too negative? There are good things to see if you look for them, don't focus on the negatives.
And if you like Istanbul so much, feel free to shift there. We can do without people who don't like their country.

 

Vindoo says:

February 13,2010 at 09:25 PM IST

Kindly provide the source of your claim about Bombay's name. We'd need something more credible than your byline. Or are you making a Turkey out of us ;) ?

 

sandeep says:

February 14,2010 at 01:37 AM IST

some dogs simply cant stop barking... the time that u waste trying to get the city's history which at the end turn out to be outright false, u can actually use the same time to get ur family lineage atleast u will understand whoz at fault.. so according to u even hindi borrowed from portugese... which ofcourse is a great discovery so i guess ur next article is India's curse: no sense of history.. ur slave mentality shows up.. get a life dude

 

Devendra says:

February 14,2010 at 02:23 AM IST

How much time does it take to examine/edit and publish a comment? Or it is also manipulated? I had sent my comment in the evening....absolutely un-abusive though it questioned your integrity...Do you want me to try other options to get the newspaper more people-centric?

 

PPD says:

February 14,2010 at 03:21 AM IST

Hello,

Are you ignoring Kurdish persecution, which is incidently the latest part of Turkish history.

As you are enjoying Istanbul try to talk to some Kurdish people there well and let us know if you still feel great about Istanbul.

 

Boby Mehta says:

February 14,2010 at 04:11 AM IST

beautifull article. The writer asks "Why can’t Bombay, or for that matter Delhi, be like Istanbul?" answer is simple. Bombay (Mumbai) was more beautifull, clean and peacefull during British period but now it is a 'Indian" city. Indians brought it down to their standard. I have also visited turkey, not only Istanbul but Ankara and other parts of Turkey are also beautifull. Turkey, Singapore, London, Paris, Washington are what the citizen of those countries made, India is what Indians made, violent, filthy, corrupt, lawless. That shows character of average India.

 

YD says:

February 14,2010 at 05:02 AM IST

Can anyone settle in Madras (Chinai) without knowing Tamil ? Where ever I go in India it is always English and I get on very well with the locals. I have never been told "don't come here if you don't know our language". Why not make English national language and make compulsory to study at least one language other than yours.

 

myopinion says:

February 14,2010 at 06:52 AM IST

Seems 'moderation of posts' includes censoring anything questioning TOI/their editors intent/journalistic ethos/respnsibility for continuing to publish these venomous articles pitting people against each other/impeding objective discussion on real issues.Well,commercial interests like generating hits comes first,so much for corporate social responsibility!

 

Eric says:

February 14,2010 at 07:16 AM IST

seems everyone has an opinion here but no one seems to have facts...

(Reply to Eric)- shaw says:

February 14,2010 at 09:33 AM IST

eric,yeah u have facts as can be seen by the empty post.no brains at laest use ur eyes eric

(Reply to Eric)- shaw says:

February 18,2010 at 11:20 AM IST

sorry eric, i am shaw. i thought about what u said and i learnt from u. facts r bnot opinions but many commenter s have facts and then they reach a conclusion which is valid and base their opinion. as long as they show us the link its fine, but there r many others hwo just have opinions without any facts

 

pshah says:

February 14,2010 at 09:19 AM IST

Why TOI is so biased and won’t post messages that are critical of them, their bloggers and so called journalists? Such a reputed news paper has condescended into cheap publicity news site. Shobhan Saxena is at it again. First his racist rant against Marathi’s while supporting name given by dictators. Now he is extolling Istanbul, Turkey where conservatives even after winning majority in elections cannot pursue their agenda because Military dictators won’t allow anything they don’t like. This is again a form of dictatorship. For some reason Shobhan Saxena seems to like dictatorships and their way of doing things. It is sad India has people like Shobhan, they supported British rule for over a century and seem to be still nostalgic about it. His bias is obvious from his opinion about the comments to his previous article; any one who disagreed with him was posting filthy abuses while those who sported him were just heaping scorn on Marathi’s. Comments supporting you Shobhan were racist to the core just read the comment from Clark Kent, your support of these comments tells a lot about your values than that of Marathi’s.

 

james says:

February 14,2010 at 09:32 AM IST

hey shobhan u look very intelligent in the photo pose. as can be seen by comments, u r no intellectual but lucky to have ajob from the 50 % cut off admissioon to some college to become elmedia employee. try ur hand at acting. your expression pose in photo makes u look like u think u r the smartest and most superior person in the world,and this is common quality in elemdia types who have complexes that could not do anything else. so they lectrure hypocritically and worse cheat by being political agents.these comments have exposed u unfortunately. become an actor man. send that photo to a modelling agency and producers.
even an idiot pretentious fraud political agent hypocrite,can look like an intellectual if he pose for it

 

Siva says:

February 14,2010 at 09:34 AM IST

Even though marathis claim of Bombay is unfair,
It is actually a war to capture the bombay by marathis,
Bal thackrey systemetically did that from 1962 onwards,
Now in this war bombay would be occupied by pRo pakistani groups,
Because they try to win the war against Mrathis by including others in the awtr at the same time forming their squad cutting across region so that it become easy for them to overcome all other regional group,
this is what happened after Hazi Mastan to tamils,
So better sense should prevail with SS and should not be over greedy to attack othe native peoples and it is their future lies with co-operating anti paki group from other regions.

 

Kunal says:

February 14,2010 at 01:57 PM IST

First people like come to our city take advantage of our hospitality, gather in hoards and molest women. Dirty our streets by spitting pan every where. Crowd our trains drain our natural resource and then complain there aren't enough of them. The city was beautifull before the likes of you came in. Get the message ? Non maharashtrains are not welcome any more. We are tired of putting up with the likes of you dirtying everywhere as you go. Mumbai wasn't always like this.

 

Kunal says:

February 14,2010 at 02:11 PM IST

Actually your article does state one very important fact. That more people have used offensive words for the articles you write. Tells me volumes about your work and i think if you are smart you should take a cue from them. I personally thank each mahrashtrain of whatever religion Hindu, Christain ... etc for posting abusing words against people like you. But you know what there is saying in Hindi that befits you "kutte ki dhum kabhi seedhi nahi hoti". See i used Hindi as it can be usefull at times for expressing not so subtle thoughts. As for marathi its very subtle and gentle language used only by people who have honor, who care about the welfare of others and the place they stay in by not multiplying too fast , conserving natural resources and living humbly within means, and living with pride in their own state. A locust like you cannot claim the same.

 

Nadeem says:

February 14,2010 at 05:41 PM IST

B O M B A Y - Biharis Organized Management Brought Amusement to You (---kars).
Proud to be an Indian rather than Maharashtrian, Biharis etc.

I am an Indian and live in Northern part of India and firmly belive in "If you want fly like an eagle then don't surround yourself by Turkeys."
Thackerys and some of his supporters are trying to divide the country by instigating hatred among fellowmen.

 

Padmesh Kumar Varma says:

February 14,2010 at 06:52 PM IST

Dear Sir, A must read article by the Marathi Manoos. Mr. Saxena is right that the Mumbai chauvinists have no sense of history and so is the case with most of the persons who follow SS,MNS,RSS,VHP and organisations like these. There are people in Mumbai and other parts of India who know the history and deride at the ignorance of the Marathi Manooswallas. By their unwillingness to read history the Marathi zealots will definitely undo what the non Marathi people of India did for the megapolis. Hope that people like Shobhan Saxena will make the Mumbaikars to realise the real and the cosmopolitan history of their city and rise to keep it a real megapolis.

 

plz_Censor _the_blog says:

February 14,2010 at 07:39 PM IST

I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH.

TOI IS REPUTED NEWS PAPER.IT IS NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ARTICLE,BUT THEY HAS WRITE TO SELECT OR REJECT IT.

TOI SHOULD LEARN FROM THIS.THEY SHOULD PROVIDE OPTION OF
EXELLENT ,GOOD , BAD , OFFENSIVE
FOR BLOGS TOO AS IT APPLIES TO COMMENTS FOR ITS CENSORSHIP.

SO THAT PPL WILL NOT SPEND THEIR TIME IN READING NONSENCE.INSTED TO GARDENING.

PLZ. IF POSSIBLE DO CHECK THE ARTICLE BEFORE PUBLISH BY SENIOR EDITORS.

 

AMAN67 says:

February 14,2010 at 08:24 PM IST

Bravo. You are a brave man Shobhan.

These hate groups, these usurpers of history, are specks of dirt on the spectacles of history, which will be soon wiped out.

 

PJ says:

February 14,2010 at 11:04 PM IST

Shoban Sexna ( Whats in the name) , please try calling it Constantinople in front of Arab.

Spineless chap, what the hell you know about Maharashtra. Go to first stand and start learning history from there. You need good education to come out of the slave mentality, praising Istambul , making foolish comparisons!

(Reply to PJ)- maya says:

February 15,2010 at 12:39 PM IST

great pj,u rember relevant fact in relevant context unlike this toi political agent of congress.the fraud has been rebutted based on facts,analysis double standards by other casual ommentsers who are busy with dcent jobs, unlike shobhna who only has to be fraud to work for english media.brains not needed.

 

rahul says:

February 15,2010 at 03:43 PM IST

yes v can make mumbai like istanbul ( or the city in ur dreams) but , when ..... only when the trains of migrants will be stopped.

 

deeteeN says:

February 15,2010 at 10:29 PM IST

sorry boss, your article is just a rant against maharashtrians. The portuguese did us no favours they were here for the moolah, both in real and soul terms. And mumbai is named after the goddess mumbadevi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumba_Devi_Temple). For a lot of us who grew up in Maharashtra, it was always mumbai, bombay was just a funny name. Anywhere you go in India, the local people will always have some nutcases who make fun of you. And all you people miss the big picture-
The real culprit in all this is the Kanngress which goes soft on MNS because they know that this party will split votes meant for BJP-SS. The GOP panders shamelessly to their favourite vote banks- is it surprising that other parties want their solid vote banks too?

 

hortense vaughan says:

February 18,2010 at 01:15 PM IST

Good on you for having the guts to use the real name of the city namely Bombay which is associated with the delicious little fish Bombay duck curry and the song "come fly with me" and the famous line" thers a bar in far Bombay".
Again you are right the city owes it fame and fortune to many different groups of people with diverse ideas and talents and not only to Marahti manoos .
The city belongs to all Indians and the many diverse groups that compromise your society. Screw Bal T.

(Reply to hortense vaughan)- Manohar says:

March 01,2010 at 11:43 PM IST

Haaammm
There will be long list of people like Bal T from all sates of India. Try it and see what happen to you

 

Neels says:

February 18,2010 at 02:23 PM IST

Its really sad that people fight over such issues which is dividing our own Motherland....If we really care for our nation or our state then please try to follow the soldiers who gave up their lives while saving nation (Kargil war )or Mumbai Attack on 26/11...Please come together and help India be a true nation loved by all its citizen..Please don't follow politicians..Follow our Soldiers.

 

SHOWBUM says:

February 19,2010 at 09:48 PM IST

SHOW BUM SEX SENA.. Mumbai was always a good place.. before the ghanerde bhaiyaas came in hoards.. the show bum sex sena's are aehsan faramosh.. they come here to make money with no respect for locals(jish thali mein khate hai usmein ched girate hai).. they didnt come here to develop the place.. they better develop their ghanerde states.. n stop lecturing us.. this sex sena's is encroaching on all major cities on Maha-RASTRA (pune, nasik, nagpur kolhapur, aurangabad) besides Mumbai.. as they outnumber us they will lecture us on national integrity and capture each of our cities destroying its culture.. this sex sena has no respect for local culture.. RAJSAHEB is right when he asks to humilate this ghanerdi sex sena.. enough is enough... this SHOW BUM SEX SENA should be driven out.. slap them for breakfast lunch & dinner.. just harass them enough so they run with their feet on their BUMs.. this we must do with the help of MNS/SS (along with tacit support of state congress NCP & BJP).. AND TOI stop ur bullshit & lecturing us on national integration.. u bastards favour the bengalis.. why most of your editors & writers are bengalis & north indians(stop favourism before u lecture us on regionalism).. why there are so little Maharastrians (editors, writers) for editions in Maharastra (they would understand the sentiments of the locals and have the right pulse). kick off the SHOW BUM SEX SENA

 

Mumbaikar says:

February 22,2010 at 04:48 PM IST

If you are so fond of istanbul and that culture, better get converted. And then when you'll come back to Mumbai, the shiv sainiks will chop your head off and cut you to pieces and feed them to the dogs.

 

Roshan says:

February 22,2010 at 05:00 PM IST

SHOBHAN,

YOU ARTICLES ARE FUELLING FIRE BETWEEN THE MARATHIS AND NON-MARATHIS.

PLEASE STOP IT HERE ITSELF, OTHERWISE, THIS FIRE WILL BURN YOU ALIVE VERY SOON.

 

Mohit says:

February 24,2010 at 01:07 PM IST

Idiots will be idiots and we allow them the luxury of voicing their lunacy here in this country. Publishing is a completely different matter. It was certainly NOT right of Times Of India to print this. Expect big blowback on them for it.

 

Ashu says:

March 01,2010 at 01:51 AM IST

I am Marathi and gay. I make friendship with only Marathi people. I want all Marathi gays to do the same. Ashu the Proud Marathi Gay

 

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Shobhan Saxena is an editor with Sunday Times of India. Though his interests range from international issues, human rights and politics to art & culture, what really fascinates him is the extraordinary lives of ordinary people -- the men and women on the street, their lives and their views on everything under the sun. Here, he tries to capture small slices of those colourful lives in India and abroad.
 
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