It’s really sad and sickening to see Bombay turning into a city of hate. The way the Shiv Sena and MNS thugs are targeting innocent people, it seems very soon Indians from other parts of the country will need a visa to travel to Bombay. There was a time Bombay was the most cosmopolitan city in the country. Now it has begun to look like a provincial town where you are safe only if you speak Marathi or pretend to be a protector of Marathi Manoos' rights.
But it’s not enough to blame the Shiv Sena and MNS for the state of terror in the city, all political parties, particularly the Congress and NCP, have been playing dirty politics on this issue with their eyes on Marathi Manoos votes. Today, suddenly, the Congress leaders woke up and slammed Shiv Sena and MNS. Why? What happened all of a sudden that made Congress to say that ‘Bombay belongs to all Indians’. Obviously, the Congress was alarmed by the RSS-BJP combines’ position on the issue. Of course, the Congress and BJP don’t want to lose any campaign – hate campaign or love campaign – to each other. So, from now on, we will see more of “Mumabi for all” campaigns from all political parties all over the country.
But let’s keep the politicians out of it. They are only good at creating problems and putting people against each other – rich against the poor, poor against the less poor, Hindus against Muslims, Muslims against Christians, upper castes against lower castes, lower cates agaist the lowest castes, and Marathi Manoos against North Indians. It’s time the people of this country reclaimed Bombay as an Indian city, before it’s too late and before it falls to the hate politics of Shiv Sena and MNS.
This hate campaign is based on lies. Pure lies. They changed the name of the city from Bombay to Mumbai, claiming that that was the real, original name of Bombay. It's a pure lie. The fact is that when the Portuguese arrived in what is now Bombay (it was a small island with a fishermen setllement), they called it Bom (good) Bahia (bay). It was, of course a good bay. Over the time Bombahia became Bombay when the Portuguese gave the city to the British in dowry of their princess. That’s the origin of the word Bombay. No wonder the SS-MNS goons hate the North Indians who still call the city 'Bambai' and not Mumbai. Bambai is still closer to the city’s original name and it rankles these hate parties.
The other lie the SS-MNS combine keep spreading is that the city sends some 50% of the country’s revenue to the centre. True, a lot of tax comes from Bombay. But that happens because most of the PSU giants and private sector firms have their corporate headquarters in Bombay. It’s not that Bombay is producing goods worth the country’s GDP. If tomorrow all the big companies move their offices to Bangalore, all this tax will come from Bangalore.
The third lie is that the North Indians do not respect the local culture and local people. Again a pure lie. I have lived in Bombay for three years and I found the taxiwallahs and street vendors, almost all of whom come from UP and Bihar, to be honest and hard-working and simple people. And they have been the main targets of MNS' hate crimes.These people have made their lives with sheer hard work, slogging day and night and living in filthy hovels. They have made the city rich with their hard work. Ask any foreign tourist what he thinks is the best thing about Bombay and the answer would be – taxis. They are cheap, safe and friendly. They don't create problems for others. They don't attack others because of linguistic and cultural differences. And now the Congress government wants to throw them out because they don’t know Marathi.
Bombay is on a shaky ground at the moment. Let’s reclaim it before it’s too late, before the hate politics engulfs the city and fires start all over the country. The political class will be too happy to roast their goose over these burning fires, but the people of this country will lose a great city.
PS: The whole point of writing this blog was to make a case for more inclusive, more tolerant and more liberal cities in India. It's appalling to see people abusing each other. This kind of shrill debate doesn't help the idea of India. Let's talk about the real issues which can make Bombay a better city and India a better country.
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Sort by: Oldest | Newest | Recommended (931) | Most DiscussedFebruary 02,2010 at 12:40 AM IST
Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance.
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February 02,2010 at 01:14 AM IST
shut up Peter Parker...
you can go back to your lalaland before you suggest this.
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Rajesh
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February 05,2010 at 12:25 AM IST
All Bhaiyya's now this is enough, go back to your up bihar. You are starting to piss on marathi people head for their good behaviour.
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February 05,2010 at 11:31 AM IST
first of all ur name is Rajesh which is a hindi name .....which u feel is tha language of up ..mind ur language before u comment on anyother indian ....seperatist...!!!!!
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February 02,2010 at 03:24 AM IST
You Shut up Dark Knight
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Mumbaikar
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February 07,2010 at 12:32 AM IST
Abhinav my dear, get your basics cleared.
Rajesh is a Sanskrit name. Hindi has no right over it. It can be used in Marathi, Gujrathi, Punjabi, Udiya anywhere.
And S-O-Ban Saxena,
Mumbai is an older name. Its origin is in "Mumba Devi", not some bahia crap you have made up.
Stop polluting minds of ignorant people with your lies.
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February 19,2010 at 07:41 PM IST
Firast improve your knowledge, Rajesh is not hindi, it is sanskrit word.
Tell me the meaning of :shiksha abhiyaan"
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Milind
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February 02,2010 at 05:11 AM IST
My free comment, please clean up your messy states and make themt livable. Only then come here and stay. You would try our patience no more.
About comments from Rahul Gandhi... Please dont try to fiddle with fire. Entire miss management in states other than Maharashtra is your parties creation. Dont try to implement your divide and rule politics learnt so well from the english people. We too have some stuff left in ourselves from our great historians. So beware.
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February 02,2010 at 03:48 PM IST
My free reply.
Mumbai/Bombay is for the entire nation of India. There can be no dilution in this else Indian military is strong enough to take it over and bring it back like it had done in the states of Punjab and Kashmir.
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Shriram NENE
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February 02,2010 at 04:04 PM IST
Kay barobar bollas mitra. I am with you. Why do you come to Maharshtra? The reason is we are patient. Please try and teach the lessons of nationalism to South Indians and they will kick your butt. They do not speak hindi at all. but we do. We, the people of Maharshtra must get the job and daily income. Then you can grab the rest. We are not saying no to it. But to get the job in Maharashtra is a first right of Marathi. The same logic applies to UP
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Mac
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February 02,2010 at 07:56 PM IST
What's this your state and my state? Mumbai was inducted to Maharashtra only 50 years ago, and by that time it was already a city of migrants.
So, go ahead and respond to the people by beating them, and that's what uncivilized could do.
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Common Man
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February 03,2010 at 12:11 AM IST
@to all marathi maanoos :
It is so shame on us , I even being a maharashtrian living in pune , see that Even some educated MORONS are behaving like a child , and believing in raj thakeray divisive politics , I think they have been educated in a marathi school of hate of raj thakeray , Otherwise If they have been educated and developed well by their techers and their families they would not be talking like that.If Mumbai is not controlled it will become Kashmir , where everybody demands it should be free country , and no body wants to go there due to terror of terrorists , Similarly no body will invest in mumbai , because of some terrorists like thakeray , soon mumbai will become industrialised city to slum city , as it is depicted in slumdog millionare....
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Rajesh
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February 03,2010 at 08:38 AM IST
Stop talking like Bombay is next to heaven in cleanliness. It is a dirty, over crowded city like any other city in India. The only difference is it has lot of job opportunities since it has developed as a center of commerce thanks to British and hordes of immigrants. If it was left to Marathi Manoos aka Kolis it would still be a fishing village.
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Indian
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February 03,2010 at 10:54 AM IST
What is the thing that maharashtra has excelled at which makes you belive it is far far superior from any other states in India? I have been in Maharashtra for 5 years now and still have not been able to figure out any significant difference from a common man's prospective. Yes, a few noticeable differences like Mahrashtra having one of the highest fuel taxes, RTO charges, Vehicle Registration taxes, and taxes on other things do exist.
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Abhishek
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February 03,2010 at 12:35 PM IST
Rahul Gandhi is making all this noise right now to consolidate congress Postion in northern states.
Mumbai is part of Maharashtra even before he was born, so he should avoid making any comments on this. Also if he is so keen on making metros national then he should do the same for Chennai, Kolkatta and Banglore the same as he trying for Mumbai...try to recalim these cities to for India and let us see how many people from south will share you enthusiasm.
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February 03,2010 at 09:58 PM IST
call all maharashtrians back to your state first.. And then only ask north indians to leave mumbai/ maharashtra!!
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February 04,2010 at 05:31 PM IST
really its too LATE to teach u like NON INDIAN.......only due to a single MUMBAI u think u r the most Favorite haa....dats is mess of ur MIND....its not about ur Maharashtra its ABOUT all of the INDIA dis is JUST the begning ...ant if the GOVT. not take ny serious action on dis MATTER ....then the day is not far when our oneINDIA is divided into number no. of states which is leads by such CHEAPER politicians whome u r FAVOURING .....dat day u realize what the freedom is n y we need it.......
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February 06,2010 at 04:26 PM IST
To Rahul
Really can Mumbai be brought back like Kashmir ? Sir when we did bring Kasmir back ? Can we go and hoist our National Flag in Lal Chowk? Let us go now!!!!
And also please tell me frankly can all this be tolerated in Punjab , Will a Minister dare to say NO when asked to take ake oath in Punjabi
Followiing are the Facts
India is one.
All are welcome to move anywhere in India but have to respect Local Sentiments
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February 02,2010 at 06:43 AM IST
it's unfathomable that educated marathis also falling for this campaign as it is very clear that lots of people who come on this website are agreeing with takeray's diatribe.
my question to all who have agreed to this is why to come here and read things in english as that is also non marathi. they should do everything in marathi.
raj's kids go to public school and must be speaking in english and like a true chepad politician he is adamant on dividing the people.
save India!
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February 02,2010 at 03:44 PM IST
the britishers have done a lot to out state they have left their mark after all mumbai have received the gateway of india from britishers, the victoria terminus now cst and colaba city region also they left behind the english as a language of communication which i prefer to hindi yyou have any problems with that. atleast we didnt depend on moughals to build things in our state and left us printing tickets just to pay a visit.
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February 02,2010 at 03:44 PM IST
the britishers have done a lot to out state they have left their mark after all mumbai have received the gateway of india from britishers, the victoria terminus now cst and colaba city region also they left behind the english as a language of communication which i prefer to hindi yyou have any problems with that. atleast we didnt depend on moughals to build things in our state and left us printing tickets just to pay a visit.
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Gilliana
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February 02,2010 at 04:35 PM IST
I think that the only solution is to divide Maharashtra into two as was before. Bombay and Maharashtra. Let Thakre then have his Maharashtra and he can rot with it.
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February 02,2010 at 06:38 PM IST
Probably the fact that even some educated people harbor views which are being called unpatriotic in the rhetoric spewed by likes of Mr Saxena, shows the depth of the problem. What about the fact that people come from UP
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February 02,2010 at 10:47 PM IST
@AXXYMAX. "the britishers have done a lot to out state they have left their mark after all mumbai have received the gateway of india from britishers, the victoria terminus now cst and colaba city region also they left behind the english as a language of communication which i prefer to hindi "
yes I do have a problem with that because the issue here is keeping mumbai to marathis and be a nationalist maratha(although it is non existent)which is an impossible scenario as well. I as an educated person simply wants to state a fact that no economy survive without immigrants. We are first Indians then maratha, upites, bhayya, bihari or whatever u want to say but we have one national chracter that is being INDIAN, that is the reason I see SACHIN as an Indian, Rahul Dravid as an Indian. Commando who laid thier lives for the country as an INDIAN. I see raj, bal and udhav as traitors as they are the people who wants to divide us and getting success as well. they do not want welfare if that has been the case they would have done it wen they were in power. Mahrashtra used to be much prosperous state before combine came in the power and during sb chavan and sharad powar days. Maharashtra needs leader like Powar as they carried out the development work. this is vote bank politics and it is really sad to see your preference to english because no matter what u say, the script and words of marathi language comes from devnagri and not englsih. i too write in english as it is easier to do so and i am not a nationalist either. marathis are INDIANS first and bombay is part of INDIA and will always remain.You look more like me and talk like me than peter parker!JAI HIND!
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xyz
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February 03,2010 at 10:44 AM IST
well said buddy!!!!
I wander why educated ppl are fallin for this ,we must open our eyes and should try to see their selfish motto behind popping this things up.Its all about proving their superiority.Shivsena and MNS are playing filthy politics under the name of "marathi manoos".we call india as mother being her children we are allowed to enter and move anywhere in this country.Mumbai is not meant only for "marathi manoos" but for every person leavin in this country.we love india and we love mumbai too like any other marathi maanus!!!!
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just another person
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February 03,2010 at 11:23 AM IST
agreed,
What will happen, if a non-marathi corporate house comes to mumbai and wants to make a huge investment, i wanna see who can resist the temptation and be true to their ideologies
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sahil
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February 03,2010 at 04:10 PM IST
raj must be hanged in broad daylight. he is a cheap goonda, nothing more.
he creates terror and should be branded a terrorist. anti social element
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VNN
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February 04,2010 at 02:53 PM IST
Why not ask what the Marathi Manoos wants? Are they in agreement to what the SS and MNS are saying or are they in disagreement? Are they in agreement with them only to get the priority benefits, or because they find some truth in what they have to say. It is good for them to vouch and campaign for Mumbai, stand in its protection, but they can do without resorting to hooliganism. Why dont we hear from the Marathi Manoos????
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February 04,2010 at 05:19 PM IST
Dark night is a sick Bihari, ek Bihari sau(100) bimari
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February 05,2010 at 04:31 AM IST
well said buddy!!!!
I wander why educated ppl are fallin for this ,we must open our eyes and should try to see their selfish motto behind popping this things up.Its all about proving their superiority.Shivsena and MNS are playing filthy politics under the name of marathi manoos.we call india as mother being her children we are allowed to enter and move anywhere in this country.Mumbai is not meant only for marathi manoos but for every person leavin in this country.we love india and we love mumbai too like any other marathi maanus!!!!
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bala kolhe
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February 09,2010 at 03:10 PM IST
to add a bit more pls note that there is one place which is still called BOMBAY and thats Bombay Scottish which belongs to Thackeray's Sister.
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February 11,2010 at 04:30 AM IST
First of all Maharashtra is a numero uno state. all of those who are migrating, are those from those states where there are very less opportunities or horrible living conditions. The fact is clear that maharashtra is the driving force of this nation. well maharashtra had no problems with pakistan it is just a casualty of war and thats because it is a part of india. Thackray shouldn't have taken the issue personally. why is he shouting when the govt does not care and there are pakistani supporters in india to cheer the visitors. And yes the marathi hospitality has been taken for granted for a long time. People who stay in rented houses shouldn't claim it as their own. You may paint the house according the color you like, you may have your favourite wallpaper but after 11 months take your belongings and leave. And as far as bwood is concerned it can operate from any part of india there should be no problem for them to move infact i would suggest they should move to singur so that calcutta would be known as the entertainment capital of india along with its rabindra songit. As far as delhi is concerned its not even a state its a UT delhi is flourishing only because it is capital of india all the wealth plundered from the rest of the states in the name of taxes lands up in delhi.Infact in the future the only competition for maharashtra will be gujrat rest of the state are just 'b'grade. even instead of hardships the brightest of the brightest considers mumbai as their destination than their own state shame on all those states. thank you for making maharashtra what is today we appreciate it. Now its turn of maharashtrians to take care of our state so let us do it, you do the same in your state now get lost. The biggest contributers for the development of mumbai were the britishers and we have already thrown them out now its your turn.
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February 11,2010 at 04:44 AM IST
First of all Maharashtra is a numero uno state. all of those who are migrating, are those from those states where there are very less opportunities or horrible living conditions. The fact is clear that maharashtra is the driving force of this nation. well maharashtra had no problems with pakistan it is just a casualty of war and thats because it is a part of india. Thackray shouldn't have taken the issue personally. why is he shouting when the govt does not care and there are pakistani supporters in india to cheer the visitors. And yes the marathi hospitality has been taken for granted for a long time. People who stay in rented houses shouldn't claim it as their own. You may paint the house according the color you like, you may have your favourite wallpaper but after 11 months take your belongings and leave. And as far as bwood is concerned it can operate from any part of india there should be no problem for them to move infact i would suggest they should move to singur so that calcutta would be known as the entertainment capital of india along with its rabindra songit. As far as delhi is concerned its not even a state its a UT delhi is flourishing only because it is capital of india all the wealth plundered from the rest of the states in the name of taxes lands up in delhi.Infact in the future the only competition for maharashtra will be gujrat rest of the state are just 'b'grade. even instead of hardships the brightest of the brightest considers mumbai as their destination than their own state shame on all those states. thank you for making maharashtra what is today we appreciate it. Now its turn of maharashtrians to take care of our state so let us do it you do the same in your state now get lost. mumbai would not have been mumbai if it was not for maharashtra. water maharahstra provides,power maharashtra provides,food maharashtra provides infact Mumbai is far more dependent on maharashtra than maharashtra on it.jai maharashtra.
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February 21,2010 at 11:44 PM IST
we refuse to be indian if the maharashtrian identity cannot be protected. It is just not justifiable that if a particular state tries to protect the interest of its people should it be termed as divisive. Being indian and fuelling indian sentiments is another issue. If Mumbai does not belong to maharashtra. What righ has india got to call maharashtra as its state. How can hindi be enforced on maharashtrians in their own state when its not even a national language. It is just because of vested interests of people like sucksena that ppl of other horried states read bhar "Their name iself has har in it loosers" and up getting heir ass wopped.
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And Dark Knight, do u think we maharshtrians are so stupid as to allow the evil and dark plan of yours to succeed? Mark you, when similar stupid talk stated about Kolkatta, they talked of Rudhironi Nadi, but then I don't expect you to have such subtle understanding!
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February 02,2010 at 05:11 PM IST
You can see where Kilkatta stands now, do you want Mumbai to be like that?
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February 02,2010 at 09:48 AM IST
Ms. Saxena is ignorant of history. Such people should get their facts straight.She should know that the islands were always inhabited by local Marathi speaking Kolis.
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February 02,2010 at 10:36 AM IST
Mr Peter and dark Knight Bombay belongs to the east indians and not the marathi manoos who have migrated from other parts of Maharashtrs, east indians are the original settelers of Bombay
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My dear, why does your history starts when Marathi language emerged, Shift your start to the very beginning when no language existed. If you want to separate you can do it till atomic level or more...it doesn't stop anywhere
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I Support. Ms Saxena pack up ur bags n go back to ur native
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ARK u claim to know your history right and want teach others about it.Laughable because u are so ignorant that u don't even know that the writer is a Mr and not a Ms .So much for your intelligence
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We Indians are really fucked up and divided in states and marthi bhari...........I fell shame on my countrymen..........educated blind Indian..........shame on us..........Raj got 13 seat with all this mess.........his busniess got 300 CR Rs profit.........wher the fuking people getting beneif or jobs............are we still arguing about Marthi or UP guys..........wher this mother fuker was hiding with his gundas during 26/11, can't even had guts to go at that site..........beating incent people............another underworld in politic face
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February 02,2010 at 12:36 PM IST
u r right all marathi think that they are giving there hand in improving indian grwoth if all industries who are in maharsatra will go outside the all maharsartrain will be beggers and we all person who belowng to out of maharsartra shuod not purchaese or use anything which are manufactured by any owner of maharastrain then they will understand the velue of ours
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February 02,2010 at 04:08 PM IST
What good can you in your life? Your language yourself claims that you are uneducated, stupid, illeterate idiot who only knows how to switch on the computer and vomit the bullshit you can. Go and get some pills to recover yourself. Maharashtrians are self sufficient to thrive. We are not dependent on you ***** migrants. Go. **** yourself.
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Agreed, but where will the industries will go? There is no better and safer place in India other than Maharashtra and that is why they are setting up their business here. Mr. Saexena is a big fool. The issue here is about the people coming form UP/Bihar staying illegally by raising slums doing all sort of illegal businesses (running taxies/rickshwa without permit, encrochments etc.) and the Original name of MUMBAI is coming from the local goddess MUMBA AAI means MUMBA MATA. This idiot Saxena has no knowledge of Mumbai's history.
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Agreed, but where will the industries will go? There is no better and safer place in India other than Maharashtra and that is why they are setting up their business here. Mr. Saexena is a big fool. The issue here is about the people coming form UP/Bihar staying illegally by raising slums doing all sort of illegal businesses (running taxies/rickshwa without permit, encrochments etc.) and the Original name of MUMBAI is coming from the local goddess MUMBA AAI means MUMBA MATA. This idiot Saxena has no knowledge of Mumbai's history.
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February 03,2010 at 11:18 AM IST
I am an East Indian the original inhabitants of Mumbai. Please I beg all non Mumbaikars move out of Mumbai and give us back our homeland. We do not mind being beggars in our homeland.Mumbai Apli ahai
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February 04,2010 at 10:31 AM IST
british devloped mumbai but why the didnt opted for other city of india.because the found maharastrian most supporting and adjustable.most of the north stats still strugalling with the racism bettween different religian and cast and the political parties are taking the benefit of it. they dont want devlope state to secure their seats.first think about your own state and what is the reason you are here.dont you found any job or opportunity in your state or you afraid of other community.now its the duty of government to devlop all part of india so that we can look forwod for other cities of india as part of economy.by this we can handle the condition of natural disaster affect on economy very well.else we already seen when mumbai was in flud economical loss affected indian economy. we will welcome all if you come up with opportunity for cuurent locality. this is similer to no one welcomes bagger but if a decent person with gift all welcoms him. think over it or one day you will find some day people of other contries will coame as north indians now.and then you all will do the same thing with them.
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February 02,2010 at 04:39 PM IST
you guys are crazy, mad after your so called marathi. all marathis seems to be pig-headed...
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totally agree dear!!i dont know in which era they marathis are living,still they think like this, i dont think anyone who says himself as educated wud say like this..great pity on maharashtrians that they still grow little, they event cant think if every state state do like this then what wud be the situation,if the every country like uk and usa do like this then what wud be the situation, no business no growth no globalization, i think one thing can be done separate them into different region and make them totally isolated and let them do with their self no export no import no international facility no connection with any thing even they cant make std calls outside the maharashtra, no rail, no flight, no electronic gadgets which are not made by theirself, then they will realize that globalization is a healthy process and its follows the nature,every body gets a single chance to live then the whole world is his assets this land and earth is created by god for their creatures to enjoy the beauti of different places in the world like BOMBAY!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:59 AM IST
first of all the differences of being called marathi, madrasi, up, bihari should be eliminated,
Today this topic raised because marathi people are demanding their identity (ways of asking it may not be right) what abt other states in south which are denying Hindi as their language, which itself is like denying india as their country, why are we not talking abt making every citizen's identity in this country as Indian, rather than tamilian, malyali, telugu, go in these states and if u dont know that language u will face hard time, then what is wrong if mumbai asks for people to know marathi? Only thing is it should be imposed in proper ways rather than simply going on hitting people who doesnt follow it, there has to be lots of better ways to do it.
P.S How many of us really care what language our neighbours speak, ask urself. If u care, then u have some problem being indian.
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atleast we are pigheade in our owm state not living in someone elses state so mr dark night you can just get the hell out of mumbai
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totally agree dear!!i dont know in which era they marathis are living,still they think like this, i dont think anyone who says himself as educated wud say like this..great pity on maharashtrians that they still grow little, they event cant think if every state state do like this then what wud be the situation,if the every country like uk and usa do like this then what wud be the situation, no business no growth no globalization, i think one thing can be done separate them into different region and make them totally isolated and let them do with their self no export no import no international facility no connection with any thing even they cant make std calls outside the maharashtra, no rail, no flight, no electronic gadgets which are not made by theirself, then they will realize that globalization is a healthy process and its follows the nature,every body gets a single chance to live then the whole world is his assets this land and earth is created by god for their creatures to enjoy the beauti of different places in the world like BOMBAY!!!
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xyz
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February 03,2010 at 11:59 AM IST
first of all the differences of being called marathi, madrasi, up, bihari should be eliminated,
Today this topic raised because marathi people are demanding their identity (ways of asking it may not be right) what abt other states in south which are denying Hindi as their language, which itself is like denying india as their country, why are we not talking abt making every citizen's identity in this country as Indian, rather than tamilian, malyali, telugu, go in these states and if u dont know that language u will face hard time, then what is wrong if mumbai asks for people to know marathi? Only thing is it should be imposed in proper ways rather than simply going on hitting people who doesnt follow it, there has to be lots of better ways to do it.
P.S How many of us really care what language our neighbours speak, ask urself. If u care, then u have some problem being indian.
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February 06,2010 at 01:06 PM IST
atleast we are pigheade in our owm state not living in someone elses state so mr dark night you can just get the hell out of mumbai
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prasad Patkar
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February 02,2010 at 05:26 PM IST
u shut up ur mouth...... dont try to teach us.... tell saxsena.... go to UP Bihar and develop up first. Teach ur UP and Biharis wala not to shit on MUmbai roads....
And its mumbai... not bombay you F**kr
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February 03,2010 at 08:44 AM IST
If you can shit on Bombay roads why can't we? We have the right to shit, just like you.
what did your Marathi Manoos aka Kolis develop in Bombay? please explain.
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February 03,2010 at 10:35 AM IST
iF THIS CRAZY OLD MAN IS SO CARING ABOUT B(M)OMBAY THEN HE MUST ENCAURAGE HIS SO CALL PUPPETS TO FIGHT ON BORDERS WHERE ALL PUNJABIES AND BIHARIS ARE BEARING BULLETS ON THEIR CHESTS AND FOREHEADS.WHERE WAS HE WHEN PAKISTANIS WERE ON RAMPAGE AND WHOLE CITY WAS WAITING FOR NSG. BAL THAKRE KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT ........
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February 06,2010 at 01:13 PM IST
well mr harpeet those bullets that you sill north indians are firing are paid for by our maharashrian money so take a hike if we can pay you morons i m sure we can pay to keep fighting i think you should just shut up and do your job you freaks
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sagar pashankar
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February 07,2010 at 09:46 PM IST
YOU FAIR AND GOOD LOOKING NORTH INDIANS DON'T HAVE ANYRIGHT TO BE IN MUMBAI, YOU ALSO ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THEN US AND GRAB A LION SHARE OF SEATS (SPECIALLY UPs AND BIHARIS) IN VARIOUS COMPETITIONS AND WE MARATHIS HAVE TO WORK UNDER THEM.
SO NATURALLY WE ARE JEALOUS OF YOU GUYS.
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February 09,2010 at 04:04 PM IST
harpreet, sikhs does not have any right to make noise on this as they themselves wanted independant state called khalistan and fought for it , killed one PM.
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February 21,2010 at 11:24 PM IST
abbay chup baith khalistani
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February 03,2010 at 11:43 PM IST
Mr Parker...don't utter anything bad if cannot help mumbai or Bombay and keep ur filthy philosophy safe in lockers of ur mind!!!
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February 05,2010 at 08:35 PM IST
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February 02,2010 at 03:08 AM IST
It shows how stupid you are.. Changed Name as Peter Parker to wrtie a comment.
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February 02,2010 at 03:43 PM IST
its not ur dad's land
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February 02,2010 at 07:03 PM IST
Nither your dads..
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February 02,2010 at 03:30 AM IST
hahahahaha peter
tommorrow if TATA (Non marathi ) Ambani non marathi and Jindal Non marathi move soutto banglore or kanpur u will be looking to relocate and claiming that India is one country you are ahypochrite and probably licks the derrieres of shiva sena goons
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February 02,2010 at 05:05 PM IST
There is a big Tatanagar in Jamshedpur, Jharkhand there is a big empire of ambani`s in Gujrat, then why haven't those places become big as Mumbai? Even Delhi has potential to give jobs to North Indians but still every body prefers Mumbai! Why?
Mumbai is becoming a place of 1000 people where only 100 can live and this is triggering theissue. Better make another Mumbai in North and stop any more influx to this already over saturated Mumbai
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Pooja
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February 02,2010 at 06:29 PM IST
What about the 'Marathi people' who move outside India for better job opportunities..should they be treated the same way as people from outside Mumbai are being treated here..
All Indians have a right to stay and work wherever they want to in India
Why was NSG called during the 26/11 attack to fight the terrorists..what happened to all the 'Senas' then and the Marathi people
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February 02,2010 at 09:55 PM IST
I am a Tamil Keralite and fully agree with you. Mumbai is different and Mumbai is a safe place because of the Marathi Culture only. Marathis are great patriots and visionaries as is evident from Lok Manya Tilak, Veer Savarkar,Dr Hedgewar,and hundred of others. Marrathis should get preferential treatment over any one else when it comes to Mumbai. We need to make mumbai more livable and this can be done only by stoping further flow of migrants in a big way to a city which is already suffering for huge un sustainable crowd. Think of developing the whole of India and I am sure Marathis will play their role in supporting such a development. I had lived long back in Mumbai (Maharashtra)and can vouch that only in Mumbai women are respected and safe. This has come not due to army,police etc controlling. Only because of the great marathi culture which respects elderly,women,children etc. Pls dont spill venom while voicing opposition/opinion on this serious issue.
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February 03,2010 at 12:57 PM IST
All these politicians(across any parties) and the coporate boss are behind power and money. History says the common man are used and will be used, if we donot understand this trick... You name any political party solely dedicated to the nation. I am sure we will not get a single one, all has some vested interest...so think before act..
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February 04,2010 at 12:18 PM IST
ur an idiot . u have no idea how the other cities like delhi , kolkata and banglore suffers due to migration from so called bihar up belt.get out of mumbai u will know .ita a big country thick head maharashtians look out world has changed delhi is also abused but u dont see people coming out like idiots and fighting for non sense for a 80 plus bastard who is sexualyy frustarted i belive.
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February 02,2010 at 05:44 PM IST
Very well said!
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February 08,2010 at 04:49 PM IST
Don't you care about maharashtra, go back to north india and see if you get job over there. you idiot.
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February 02,2010 at 03:45 PM IST
hey mr Peter Parker u r the persion who is dividing INDIA and INDIANS. u should not live in INDIA. Go to SPIDERS' net.
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Sudhakar
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February 02,2010 at 04:23 AM IST
Times of India needss to shut highlighting this issue. When things are ignited; it takes time to heal till things settle down.
Quite frankly, Times of India needs to think on this. Who are these editors and what is this continuous stoking of fire. No one is a culprit in the scenario that has evolved. It is pure TOI stoking things.
This is causing way too much controversy.
Do a similar thing in any part of the world, reaction will be similar.
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February 02,2010 at 06:01 AM IST
Peter Parker... Buddy, you don't even have the courage to use your own name in the post and using a Pseudo here.
To refresh your memory, I would like to add that Bombay/Mumbai/Bambai was built by everyone in India for Indians and not just by us (Marathis) for Marathi people only. Learn to respect all Indians.
The problem of overcrowding is because of the government that choose to develop only Mumbai over the years after independance and not other centers.
The 2nd thing that you got to remember is that products produced in Mumbai / Maharashtra are sold all over India. What if the people from other states decide not to choose/buy products from our state, what do you think will be the the state of our state.
So start becoming rationale and understand that it is all of us who make what Mumbai is and it will no longer be Mumbai if all Indians are not involved in it irrespective of their race, religion, language or gender.
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SR
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February 02,2010 at 03:44 PM IST
WELL said MR. MARATHE KUDOS TO YOU
TOI BE FOCUSED AND THINK B4 YOU PUBLISH
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February 02,2010 at 03:50 PM IST
I agree to the point that Mumbai is an Indian city and hence it belongs to every Indian. But can somebody tell, what will happen to the native of Mumbai who has been residing all his life in this city. No doubt, bhaiyas (as they are called) work hard, slog day and night and earn their living in Mumbai. At the same time, this hard working bhaiya encroches the land near a railway track or some abandoned land and that is how the slums develop. Instead of doing this, why not work hard and earn a living in less crowded parts of the country which will also give better place to live (not slums). I think government is responsible in this state of Mumbai, they didn't develop any other places as they focused on mumbai. Inspite of this, mumbai has become worst place to live in because of traffic, population, slums etc etc.
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February 04,2010 at 05:42 AM IST
Dear Mr. Indian by heart,
Although your points are valid, but y only paricular community is being picked up by you. There are other communities too on the street of Bombay(Mumbai), who are making the city as messy as upites or biharis. Gujarities, Madrasi, Bengalis, Tamilians, Kannadis
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February 02,2010 at 04:13 PM IST
We are self sufficient to manage Mumbai. Maharashtrians are intellectuals and history is a proof for that. We don't need you **** migrants in developing Mumbai. Marathis have developed this state and its capital. And we are self suffcient to take care of our capital. So, beware of what you are uttering.
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February 02,2010 at 05:21 PM IST
incorrect. bombay today is the city it is, because of the parsis
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February 02,2010 at 05:38 PM IST
Might I remind you, Mr. Nene, of how work on the airport stopped because the so called north Indians did not come since they were scared for their lives??? And do you know how many losses were incurred by companies supplying the raw materials, hence leading to lower wages for their employees???
And Marathis have developed the state and the capital?? That is a joke in itself. Most of the very prominent places in Mumbai happen to be owned by Parsis and Gujratis.
And you are self sufficient....no wonder the state always needs food grains from the north since the production is inadequate.
I am ashamed that there are actually people like you. My father was in the Army and he fought along the borders for more than 15 years. I wonder why he was fighting if people like you just had to come and divide the country regardless.
And well, all I can say is that I am glad that there are more people like Mr. Abhay Marathe who understand the entire concept of respect for people.
And why is the Shiv Sena making such a big issue of abuses against Indians in Australia when they and people like you are doing the exact same thing? In fact, what people like you are doing is worse, you are going against people who belong to the same country. Please try and grow up. Your comments are very immature and insulting. And if you do want to put across your dissatisfaction, do it in a mature manner.
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February 02,2010 at 11:56 PM IST
I appreciate the comments put in by Gauri. She indeed brought up a great point, a soldier on the border whether he is from Mumbai or any other place does not think that he has to protect his city/town. This is foolishness to think that people cannot work in Mumbai.
Can someone please tell me what progressive work has been done by MNS and Shiv Sena in last 5 years. They cannot even sweep the polls in Mumbai forget about Maharashtra. If they win elections in Maharashtra and form a govt. them we can assume that people of Maharashtra does not need outsiders to come into their state. But i have not seen Shiv Sena
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February 03,2010 at 08:49 AM IST
Only thing you Kolis have developed was fishing and dancing in a half lungi, rest is done by outsiders.
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February 03,2010 at 12:15 PM IST
oohhh self sufficient.....i have lived my whole life in mumbai....and let me ask u one thing..without the people from other states mumbai(bombay) would have been nothing, do you know how many gujratis, marwaris, south indians, parsis have contibuted for the city, without whom the the business industry in mumbai would never had prospered. And had all these people had made other city like bangalore their home.....mumbai wud not had been wat it is today.... and don't even speak abt the film industry..... none of the Khans, Bachaan or Kapoors are marathi.....had bollywood be there in say delhi, these people wud still be famous, but mumbai wud be no where in scene.....its not a country or city that is great, the people staying in that place make it great.....and so without all the communities who worked together make mumbai what it is today....none wud have existed....
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February 03,2010 at 12:21 PM IST
nene...that was amusing...
you seem to very proud of your community...which is a good thing...but you are not fooling anyone by calling your self great intellectuals..because if that were true you wont be worrying so much about migrants taking your place in Mumbai...most likely you are afraid of competing with these migrants and discovering your own self worth...
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February 03,2010 at 11:14 AM IST
Dear Abhay u r the original Marathi. i agree with.
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February 03,2010 at 04:53 PM IST
Non-Marathy artists perticularly related to Bollywood must think of developing other center of film making in north India.
Actually , developing of one city or riegion is it self wrong and creats such problem as we facing
in Mumbai. It is always better to develop many regions to avoid such problems
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February 04,2010 at 06:28 PM IST
Dear Abhey Marathe
Great of you to make such nice comments. By your comments, you have thwarted the the thought process of Raj/ Bala Sahib/ and person like Peter.
I may tell you, I have been a great fan of Bala Sahib before he made illicit comments against Sachin Tendulkar( the Icon of India)/Mukesh Ambani( His father Dhirubhai revolutionised the Industry in India), may be out of political compulsions/ or frustation of loosing the elections one after the other.
Though there are some critical issues which have been raised by him ,that is, "Too much of influx of Biharis/U.P.ians in Mumbai,is causing a harrasment to the locals, who obviously get deprived of the fruits of the progress." This changes the demography of the state or a town which needs to be checked, But not by divisive slogans like Bala Sahib and Raj are doing.
There is no doubt about it that development of Mumbai over the years, has been not because of Marathis only but by the people from all walks of life whether Labourers/ Industrialist/ Scientists/other intellectuals, from all over the country.
NEW YORK WAS A TOWN LIKE MUMBAI BEFORE DEVELOPMENT STARTED. YOU WILL WONDER, NEW YORK IS NOW COMPRSIED OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ALL OF THEM ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS WORLD'S FIRST CLASS CITY. MAY BE IT HAS VERY FEW AMERICANS TO BOAST OFF.
What will happen to Mumbai if Industrialist start moving out of Mumbai because of the threat of Bala Sahib
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February 08,2010 at 04:23 PM IST
What do you say If there is No place to walk around, no fresh air to breath, no road to walk (because of street hawker and beggars), no water to drink, overcrowded trains and roads, ever growing slums.
This is now becoming the pride of india and mumbai.
I will say let anyone come to mumbai and fill up the slums, pay price to drink water( Water will be charged per liter very soon), sit on the roof top of local trains, just to cover few kilometers you can take number of hours.
Biharis and UP do the crime similar to UP and bihar.
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February 02,2010 at 06:38 AM IST
you idiot nincampoop! if you are such an ardent supporter of those 3 idiots bal, raj and udhav then dont read english newspapers or go to english websites and make such stupid comments. no country or place can survive without immigrants. there are lots of marathis who lives outside maharashtra. i can bet you will have relatives who might be staying abroad so dont be hypocrite and talk like an educated person. name you have chosen peter parker for yourself and comments are like dhobi ke gadhe jaise!
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February 02,2010 at 07:26 PM IST
i agree with you, even in the US, WE HAVE MARATHI MIGRANTS, SHOULD WE DO THE SAME WITH THEM? IN NEAR FUTURE WE CAN SEE AN OPERATION FROM INDIAN ARMY TO OUST SHIV SENA AND MNS FROM INDIA ALL TOGETHER. PEACE FOR ALL. ALL HATERS GONE.
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Sachin
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February 02,2010 at 07:19 AM IST
Your name sounds like Spiderman but not your words. You should behave like a civilised man.
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February 02,2010 at 07:51 AM IST
It is true that Bombay belongs to all. But it is unfair for any city to accomodates for outsorced problems from UP and Bihar. I blame center for this for not creating enough opportunities in their respective states. If the government fails to find out the resolution to solve this problem then Bangalore, Chennai , Kolakatta will soon follow Mumbai's footesteps. And you can not blame Shiv Sena or MNS for all this.
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Prasanna
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February 02,2010 at 06:58 PM IST
I truely agree with you.
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February 02,2010 at 04:05 PM IST
Mr. Saxena, as the name itself in the heading "BOMBAY" and the way you are writing "THUGS" about Shivsena, MNS shows your mentality of biassed journalism. What is your definition of innocent people ?? "People who are from UP and Bihar" who come to Mumbai for earning because of politicians can not develop jobs, infrastructure in those states? WE ARE EDUCATED AND WELL MANNERRED PEOPLE of Maharashtra who welcomed you, give you job, safe living
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February 02,2010 at 03:02 PM IST
We missed someone else to blame for this. The People, Us !!! If we had not voted for them, they would'nt be a nuisance. Witness the commies a few elections earlier with a handful of seats, not a murmur from them. If people are going to give these parties a sizeable chunk of seats, so we reap.
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February 02,2010 at 09:15 AM IST
Peter Parker,
Mumbai is not your Grandfather's property. It belongs to all Indians.
Where was your Shiv Sena and MNS when terrorists attacked Bombay? Hiding under their wives pallu.. thats where. Army Commandos where flown down from the Northern states that you hate to end the stand off.
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February 02,2010 at 03:21 PM IST
Vikram its very diappointing that educated people like you are falling prey to petty politics being played by the Congress aka Rahul Gandhi. First and foremost you err in comparing the terrorist attacks (international) to the Marathi Manoos (national)issue. Everyone knows if terrorists were to lay seige in Patna and irrespective of whether the NSG was called, every Maharshtrian person would have been ready to die for an attack on the motherland. Don't mix unconnected issues and mislead masses which the Congress Party specialises in. The real issue that should be highlighted is the mess the UP wallahs and Biharis make whether they are in their homeland or anywhere. Till mass immigration from these states to Mumbai did not happen tampered meters, adulterated food, vegetables and milk, dadagiri by taxi drivers, blatant harassment of women were never as rampant as they are today. On an average scale a Marathi Manoos is much more humble and decent as compared to an average bhaiyya who is always thinking and eyeing on how to get away with mischief. This is not to say that beating and ushering a violent hate campaign is a solution or all bhaiyyas are criminals but generally introspection by the bhaiyyas is necessary. If that was not true why are those states a mess and why has Mumbai degenerated after their nos increased? The writer is also biased and got all is facts wrong. Mumbai is the original names given by the Kolis, the real inhabitants not imperialist Portuguese. Suggestions that the taxi drivers are helping the city is laughable. Try sitting in a cab and ordering the bhaiyya to go where u want and when he refuses. He will show u his arm unless u call one of the Senas to help post which he will quietly comply. Blindly supporting the fellow state subjects is akin to creating national disharmony itself. Solve the real issue not the number game.
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February 02,2010 at 05:13 PM IST
This issue has started popping up after non locals ( especially North indians - UPites
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February 02,2010 at 11:16 PM IST
Ok if they make a mess. We all agreed to go nby rule of land. Why don't Maharastra govt. set a norm or regulation on what to do and how.
Take out central govt. PSU's and companies of NON maharastrians and let me know how much do you left in Mumbai. All four metro politan cities are created and invested by Federal Govt. of India.
I invite all my fellow brothers to create an industry in my state and give jobs to Maharastrian if they are competent. It's all about competition why brave people are fighting for reservation.
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Kailash Lad
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February 03,2010 at 10:40 AM IST
(Response to Bhartiya) That's exactly the point. Develop alternatives to Mumbai so that only one city is not over burdened. It requires nothing else but political will. I am amazed to see people calling Maharshtrians parochial for saying Mumbai belongs to Maharshtrians!!! Where does this national pride disappear when Tamils oppose Hindi or Assamese disallow outsiders? Or the Gujjus or Mallus creating community lobbies? Has anyone bothered to change that? Not to say that regionalism must be promoted but what I'm trying to state is that its just another straw in the hat. Policies should be uniform. Why must only Maharshtra be taught lessons and all the rest be scot free?? Does India consist of only 1 state? If Mumbai is for everyone crush opposition to Hindi in the South, break up lobbyism, etc. Maharashtrian tolerance and secularism has always been taken for granted. No one says forget your roots or dont take pride in your ethnic or regional origin. The simple point is dont disrespect a place that is giving you everything which your native place cannot. AND FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!! NEITHER OF THE SENAS ARE OPPOSING ALL NON MAHARASHTRIANS. ONLY THE BHAIYYAS FOR THE REASONS I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER. Is anyone saying stop the influx of qualified, educated persons? Please dont blow up the issue!!!
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Abhijeet D
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February 02,2010 at 10:39 AM IST
And where were you vikram?
hiding behind your sister's pallu? or wife's pallu if married?
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February 02,2010 at 04:25 PM IST
Your language tell us where you stand, so get lost. You shouldn't comment here you p***.
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Rajesh
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February 08,2010 at 04:44 PM IST
Develop the the city in bihar, then all indian from rest of india will come and claim that they want to stay there.
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February 02,2010 at 10:58 AM IST
Mr. Vikram, when terrorists attacked Mumbai, non of the politicians were out to fight against terrorists, be it SS, MNS, Congress, NCP or any other party, they arent meant to fight hands on with the terrorists and nither are we (civilians). its is the job of the Police and the Military.NSG did a good job in evading the terrorists but dont forget it was the braveheart Mumbai Police who encountered terrorists for hours together before the NSG arrived in Mumbai.the Sacrifices of Mr. Vijay Salaskar, Hemant Kamte, Mr. Ombale, Mr. Unnikirshnan and many other police men will always stay alive in the history.Dont give that remark again that only NSG rescued Mumbai form the clutches of terrorists... Mr. Kapoor who was heading the NSG group wasnt even close to the attacked site... I wish to ask you where was he hiding? Under who's pallu? They were MR. Salaskar, Mr. Kamte, Mr. Ombale who led from the front and laid their lives for their mother city MUMBAI, YES they were the MARATHI MANOOS who did not hesitate to sacrifice their lives to save thier city from the clutches of terrorists unlike NSG leader from Northen state who could not even dare to face the terrorists, the bhaiyaas and goons from the northen states are here just to mend money.Secondly the Origin of Mumbai city belongs to the 16th century during the raj of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, there was a temple of godess Mumba Devi (Ther godess of local fisher folks - the KOLI's)on the shores of Mumbai city, the name is derrieved from this goddess. When Portugese arrived in Mumbai in the end 18th century, they found it difficult to pronounce the name Mumabi. they eventually started pronuncing it as Bombay. this name pervailed in the British era and continued after independence. Later the local political parties reclaimed the original name of the city MUMBAI.So whats the fuss. there are many states who got their names back. e.g. Madras-Chennai, Banglore-Bagaluru, Calcutta-Kolkatta and many more. Big Deal Guys!
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February 02,2010 at 04:01 PM IST
Yeah but these politicians don't come and thrash hapless taxiwallahs either
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Shriram NENE
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February 02,2010 at 04:27 PM IST
Kay bollas mitra. I am proud of you. JAI MAHARASHTRA. ME MAHARASHTRACHA, MAHARASHTRA MAZHA!
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Ash
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February 02,2010 at 11:33 AM IST
I agree to what Prasanna says. Mumbai got its name from the Goddess Mumba devi. Please stop this name game. Mumbai is happy getting its name back.
Also, when you are in armed forces, you are just an Indian. Why such a hue and cry over north Indian troops coming to Mumbai to get rid of the terrorists? it is the decision of the army to decide which forces goes where. I think Rahul Gandhi has shown a very immature behavior by saying that the troops were from UP/Bihar.At least young politicians, from wome we keep high hopes should stop dividing the country in this fashion.
The police men who died in the 26/11 attacks were all marathi, but no one is talking about that, then why dig in to which culture the armed forces belong to?
Mumbai belongs to Maharashtra state and people who are hardworking and love the city are most welcome here.
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Dominik
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February 02,2010 at 04:52 PM IST
Dear Prasanna
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Vikram
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February 02,2010 at 11:49 AM IST
Mr Prasanna,
I did NOT ask where Marathi Manoos was when Bombay was attacked.
The Shiva Sena and MNS claim to be protectors of Marathi Manoos. That is why I am asking where they were when Bombay was attacked.
Salaskar, Kamte and Ombale did not belong to Shiv Sena or MNS.
Also, I will refer to the city as Bombay, because I was born in Bombay and not Mumbai. I don't care what Kolis called it or what Portuguese called it.
Generalizing UP wallahs and Biharis as bad is nothing short of Racism. Such kind of narrow minded thinking should stop. The world is becoming a global village and we Indians are still divided and fighting over individual states.
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February 02,2010 at 12:52 PM IST
Very well said mr.prasanna...may be what australian are doing with indian is justifiable by your statement and may be Maha SS-MNS start issuing visa to all immigrants. and may be India should divided in to 600 pieces as it was during 16th century. i am totally agree with your statement thr is no reason to look forward and dream about India as a developed nation since we have 16th century to live in.....
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February 02,2010 at 04:39 PM IST
Dear Prassanna,
I totally agree with you that NSG only was not responsible for handling terrorists on 26/11 issue Mumbai police and many more people were responsible in doing whatever best could be done to fight terrorists. But let me assure you that nobody did what they did because they were Mumbaikar or maharashtrian or bhaiyaas or whatever you can think of, they did it because they were Indian and that point you should understand.
And to the point that Mumbai only belongs to maharashtrian and nobody else should come. I would like you to consider a situation lets suppose tomorrow The natives of Mumbai KOLIs ask you to leave thinking that people from other parts of Maharashtra is eating into their benefits and is creating problems for people. Should you go out ???
becoz in their view other maharashtiran also does not belong to Mumbai.
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February 02,2010 at 04:44 PM IST
And similarly as you have said that it is not your Job to fight terrorists it is also not your Job to chase away anyone who belongs to other part of India
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gm
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February 02,2010 at 09:32 PM IST
Prasanna the bullet proof jackets were bought by Manoos police and the result is all to see.
Manoos police was asked to cover the front entrance of Madame Cama hospital and additional deployment was called to cover the rear - perhaps Prasanna would like to illuminate why Mnaoos police did not react?
Manoos police van drove by the vechicle in which officers lay wounded, it not stop and check?
For all your mindless bravado, Manoos police cheif was also directing operations and not participating in operations.
Anyway, wars are fought by men and women in India by those whose war cry is Jai Hind!
Bombay made it to history books thanks to immigrants. Kolis have not been treated well and the city needs to protect its homeless, mangrove forests, its one and only river, salt pans its trees and the depleting water table.
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February 02,2010 at 10:59 AM IST
hey dont tell us about those bhaiyas who fight for 26/11.
why you have not sent Maratha Bataliyan.
or you should have said that we will not send any one we THE Marathi peoples would have settled with those terrorist.
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sady
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February 02,2010 at 11:42 AM IST
to enhance your knowledge, Maratha Light Infantry Battalion is one of the best batallion in the country and did have a distinct honour of being in the parade in Paris for their bravery. I don't think that the bravery of Marathas need to be vouched from u. Look at history and u will understand that if not for Marathas, the whole of India would have been under Mughals.
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caspian
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February 02,2010 at 11:58 AM IST
well marathas neven won any battles through their bravery ,see the history you will know. shivaji was a absconder from mughal prison he runaway like a coward in sweet basket. do you call it bravery. ahmed shah abdali has slaughterd many in the battlefield. no most of those joshis you find in north india as result of that battle those were bhagodas
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February 02,2010 at 12:58 PM IST
Sachin, seems you are bhaiyaaa...that's why you are not getting the gist of what Vikram wrote...too much high quality for your bhaiyyaa brain... jaane de yaar. chill
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February 02,2010 at 01:27 PM IST
mr.saxena or who ever u mayb. only a person living in mumbai for 3 years can analyse this. not us who were born. we are not asking to claim it. wht the hell r u to claim it? how long have u stayed here? i bet you havent even been to all the places in mumbai. mumbai is ruined due to the free for all attitude. why dont u talk abt the kannadigas aggitation or those tamils who oppose hindi? why dont u speak of madras being named chennai. or trivendrum names thiruananthpuram?
we marathis like to ingegrate and accomodate but ot at the cost of our identity? who the hell r u to reclaim mumbai by just lining here for 3 years?
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February 02,2010 at 04:17 PM IST
your F****** B******. Get lost. Nobody flew in from noth India. Mumabi Police was there at the spot. I am a Mumbaikar. Mumbai belongs to us and yes, its our grandfather's property where you don't have any say. so, shut up. Your bloody Noth Indians uneducated ministers are also no good for this country. First clean your states and then blame and talk about Maharashtra.
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February 03,2010 at 12:27 PM IST
watch the language nene...
is that how you'll state your opinions...
first abuse and if that doesn't work...use force?
you should consider a career as MNS or SS activists...
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February 02,2010 at 11:22 AM IST
ye vikram, i think you should shut up and yes mumbai is our grandfathers property, infact every marathi manoos grandfathers property. u better keep in mind.
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February 02,2010 at 12:29 PM IST
in that case , Mumbai should CUT-OFF its trade n bussiness links with the rest of the world right Mr. VIKRAM ? ? ? cz the Mararthi manoos doesnt need them , they are great n they can survive alone right ? ? ?
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February 02,2010 at 01:55 PM IST
hey guys...please dont behave like this...v all r indians and let us remain united..y r v fighting amongst ourselves and letting all political parties (n i meam ALL) take advantage of it..v all r brothers n sisters..n let us not spread the hatred of division..v must remain one and strong..and love and tolerate each other
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February 02,2010 at 11:02 PM IST
stupid comment, grow up and show some rationalism in your thoughts, IDIOT.
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February 08,2010 at 05:06 PM IST
I want all non-marathi out of mumbai, they have ruined it by staying in slums, encroaching roads, railway tracks, attack on local community (Language
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February 02,2010 at 11:57 AM IST
The army commandos hailing from North India does not mean, its full of North Indians. Ofcourse the army has commados who belong to every state in the country! So shut up this excuse that army commandos are northies. Being a Bangalorean, I have a problem with Northies as well. They insist that everyone should speak/understand Hindi. A lot of people cares less about this, and hello? Who you kidding. Hindi is not even a National Language (Gujarat HC's judgement). The blame has to be on the media as well who are trying hard to push the north Indian/Hindi idealogies. Ofcourse every state (and their capital cities, and people) feel threatened by this insane demands of northies, and they are reacting. Nothing wrong! In Mumbai, the locals (Marathis) should be preferred citizens when it comes to jobs and opportunities.
My 2 cents.
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February 02,2010 at 03:23 PM IST
Mr Mahadeva,
You be ready to speak Chinese as they will ruin us. You are sick and need to go to mental hospital for your mindset. Nobody can force any language on anyone. You are free not to use Hindi but it's our mentality that we hate our own things and like foreign languages.
All Indian languages came from Sanskrit, so how can you differentiate between these sibling languages. Culture within Maharashtra or Karnataka can not be same in every place.
We all are Indians and we should always respect that else we do not need any enemy outside India and we will kill each other.
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February 02,2010 at 04:34 PM IST
Perfect statement. Everybody has a problem with these Noth Indians. They create nuissance everywhere they go. No one complains about the people from other states. Only these Biharis and Uttar Pradesh people have ruined the country. these people are sick and so, they must be treated in mental hospital. Most of the corrupt politicians belong to North India and then they spread this corruption in the whole country.
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Shekhar
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February 02,2010 at 01:07 PM IST
Mahadeva,
First come out of this sick and dirty mindset. Understand the concept of a nation. Else, you will go back to pre-mugal days when this was a land of 10000 kings. Ours is a republic which is secular. Every citizen has the right to be at his/her choice of place. We are already suffering with social evils like caste. Do not add language as another divider. To address the problem of north indians in Mumbai (or even Bangalore) one can take up peaceful approach. Hate and violence doesn't solve any (mind you, any) problem. Look at history if you need any evidence. And for god's sake do not generalise your personal problem with Hindi speaking north Indian. Every society has bad people. Try
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February 02,2010 at 09:41 PM IST
Good for you, bet you wouldn't think this way if your relatives were living in Bombay in the 70's when Sena was bashing the South Indians in Bombay.
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February 03,2010 at 12:40 PM IST
what is your concern actually...that northies have an attitude that you cant stomach or that they take away jobs/opportunities from preferred citizens..
seems like the prferred citizens have been overwhelmed...
i suppose you'll now say that australia should kick out indian students as they are not preferred citizens...
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February 03,2010 at 06:05 PM IST
mahadeva u 2 r encouraging the racism, undrstand banglorian r also evrywhere in india n in world, dont give reason to other's to react narrowmindedly. u better keep ur view closed.
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February 06,2010 at 01:23 PM IST
thanks for the support man u rock
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February 02,2010 at 12:01 PM IST
The NSG might have been stationed in North India, but the people who made up the NSG were from India...Sandeep Unnikrishnan for instance....let us stop this north indian, marathi manoos, Bihari, UP wallah business. We are Indians first and foremost.
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February 02,2010 at 12:04 PM IST
Dear Army cannot be divided between UP, Bihar and Maharashtra, it is unfortunate to hear this ! your local feuds are not important than National Security, when Mumbai was attacked many Indians have died but not Maharashtrians or UP or Biharis, we see it all this way,but not to forget also the people (you can better say labourers) are migrating to Mumbai because of better culture here to treat all equal. Can anybody answer what is the reason that people are migrating in Such large quantities, staying in unhumanly conditions, working for more than 12 Hours a day, why Ms. Shobha saxena do not point this out, this is all because of lethargy of leaders in the Center and UP and Bihar State, they have made life miserable for their own people in such harsh way that nobody wants to live in their own states instead they find Maharashtra a better place to earn their livelihood. It is wrong to prohibit anybody to move any part of India, but it will be also wrong to ignore the GOOD qualities of Maharashtrians or Locals (such as to treat all equal irrespective of caste, creed color, religion, if somebody is not aware abut the language of the state most marathis will speak in Hindi instead of talking in Marathi, you cannot get this in southern states), These politicians are talking about all this is to gain control over Mumbai Municipality which has mammoth budget which exceeds than budgets of small states in India. This is the main reason behind all this feud.
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February 02,2010 at 12:09 PM IST
Same place where pandit nehru was when China attached India !!!!!
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February 02,2010 at 01:18 PM IST
Vikram, Where were u ??. Hiding behind ur moms pallu ??
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February 02,2010 at 02:18 PM IST
operation blue star done by gen. vaidya marathi manus. Its disgusting that ur taking army in between. go and join army if u think they recruit Biharis like u.
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February 02,2010 at 04:53 PM IST
Ek number bollas mitra!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:28 AM IST
i m totaly agree with u Vikram
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asma
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February 02,2010 at 09:13 AM IST
you go out of mumbai.. YOu dont deserve to be in maharashtra itself.. Are u folks blind to wats happening to our state... How can u be so insane and naive.. Sheesh i feel sick to even tell anything u folks like u ..simply nonsense.Grow up!
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February 02,2010 at 09:32 AM IST
Mr Saxena,thanks for coming out of the sheep's hide which you were wearing. Now we all shall keep a special watch for persons like you, and we shall be glad to pay for your return trip to UP or Bihar or to whichever hell hole you belong. Before long, you may not have a choice, either.
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February 02,2010 at 10:43 AM IST
Tell the people from south to talk in hindi and then talk of all the metropolitan stuff.In a country where mr Chidambaram still does not know how to speak hindi and is asking for anybody and everybody to come and stay in Mumbai as if it is a dharmshala.I would request all the talkers to teach hindi in south and settle if they can over ther with peace.
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February 02,2010 at 11:11 AM IST
Chidabaram was in 'Tamil Mahila congress' when sitaram kesri was the congress president. he came back to congress when Lady Sonia Gandhi was selected. Was tamil Manila congress formed for upliftment of Bhaiyas in Chennai or for only tamils. why he didnot join any other party like Janata dal. He barks in delhi, mellows in Mumbai and is mum in Chennai. a real turncoat.
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February 02,2010 at 11:51 AM IST
And you learn a South Indian language too. This kind of forcing people is utter non-sense. We are a multi lingual nation. We are not to be separated by language. Every citizen of India is free to learn and speak any language he wishes to. In official communication an Indian citizen may use a official language of choice. Oh that by the way includes English. Stop being agent of Chinese. The moment Chinese "Think tank" said they will split India into 30 pieces, some dogs here (Maharashtra, TN, Telengana) started barking! Arre aap ko kuch maal hai kya ander pe? Wake up or else you will end up as a chela yet another time; don't forget Greeks, Goris, Mughals and British and their hard lessons to us.
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February 02,2010 at 11:57 AM IST
Hi Madhu, Its not about not speaking Hindi in southern states. I have lived in Bangalore,Hyderabad and because of cosmo culture you can live up there with Hindi alone. In southern states its difficult for them to understand hindi because there sciript is "Dravid" however Marathi and Hindi script is same "Devnagari" and because of this its easy to understand hindi if you know Marathi. Love Marathi but love and respect others too.
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February 02,2010 at 01:19 PM IST
This is more like a threat!!
first let us not forget who we are... and let us also not forget our history!!! and the most important lesson we had to learn when we were divided...
start fighting like this, it wdnt be long before someone else takes over our country once again!!
lets just wish ourselves and our beloved country luck!!
m sorry for replyin on ur post.. but this is a message intended for all..
oh in all this some ppl have forgotten our father of the nation i guess!! remember 1st standard.. school??
and to u madhu... rem the hell hole u mentioned is somewhere in India!!! which u seem to have forgotten..
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February 02,2010 at 04:54 PM IST
Excellent response madhu!!
Jai Hind, Jai Maharashtra!
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February 03,2010 at 11:55 AM IST
its like when u offer ur guest a piece of cake and then the guest wants the whole of it!!!
Its as simple as that..sick..
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Bombay Lover
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February 02,2010 at 09:51 AM IST
Peter Parker, If that even is your real name, you should be holed-in inside BOMBAY, and center should outlaw you and your like. They should make it mandatory for you and your like to obtain a visa to travel to rest of India. BOMBAY belongs to all Indians, and there isn't a thing you or your two gunda leaders can do about it. Just ignore such people.
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February 02,2010 at 10:32 AM IST
Mumbai and marathis are a lot humble and helpful towards everyone who come here. Not even in Mumbai, in over all Maharashtra no one can sleep with his stomach Empty.
But Mumbai will not tolerate its own Marathi People being ignored. They should get their reservations as like Gujrathis, Assamese, Southindians, etc.....
Why everyone is shouting over maharashtra so much.
Just because they can't do it in Assam, South India, Banglore, Gujrat....
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Indian, Pune
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February 02,2010 at 03:35 PM IST
Mr. Shirish,
There are millions of Marathi speaking people in Gujarat and living happily and peacefully. There is no reservation for anyone based on language. Even the Maharaja of Princely state was a Maratha and he is still respected for his work in society.
We all feel that someone will steal our belongings as we have limited resources being a poor country. But if all of us work together, we can become a rich and developed country which needs peace. If we keep on fighting each other we can never archive that.
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Vicram Singh
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February 02,2010 at 11:30 AM IST
I am from Assam ( but Indian first ) and I have to say - for heavens sake stop taking the example of Assam to make a point every time there is talk about regionalism and separatism. The Assamese are very patriotic and a very hospitable people and every Indian is welcome in Assam. AND please we have nothing against Hindi.
Mr. Bal Thackeray
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VKM
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February 02,2010 at 11:37 AM IST
question to all you bickering bloggers, i ask very humbly, q1- isnt the problem raised first and foremost my MNS economic ? when people's from other states come to mumbai because they cant find jobs in their own states. they then take over jobs and locals begin to feel the pinch. q2 isnt this the same issue with indians in australia ? when aussies find the indian willing to work for a much lower amount than him and gets the job. q3 so is driving out people the solution to this ? or should the so called "leaders" try to make a policy for the entire country and fix the problem once and for all. what do you think ?
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Manish
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February 02,2010 at 01:00 PM IST
Hi Shirish, Agree that maharastrians are humble and nice people and so do the people from other states. I personally have been against any reservations, because best people deserve best. It should not be that you have to just fill up the places just on cast and creed basis. Why can’t we all stand up as friends and reply to all these nonsense political parties that you guys are not so literate that you can teach or guide us. They all are there to meant money and make us fight. Today’s situation is that no political person...I say let it be anyone, who works or thinks about the common man. For e.g Mayawati became CM by bringing up the backward class issues and she is the one who screwed them the most after being CM and trust me same is with this RAJ or other thakrey family. People from UP and Bihar have come to Mumbai to do 4th grade jobs like sweepers, Cleaners, Taxiwalas, Labourers, etc… Thakrey and family says that all people should be depoted back….My question to you is a) Do they want Marathi to do that work? What is the upliftment they are thinking for marathi manoos? How many schools they have funded? What have they done to make the city clean and green and improve infrastructure? Ask Raj whether his son studied in any marathi or marathi municipal school? What has he done for the marathis who lost there lives in 26/11? Nothing and Nothing friends….they are just making fools out of us. Let’s be sensible and work for the betterment of our country rather confining ourselves to state.
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kunal
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February 03,2010 at 12:04 PM IST
correctly said shirish,
y others are not bothers when these things happes in other states,
may be we are paying price of being economic capital of india,
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Ajay
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February 02,2010 at 10:04 AM IST
Ms or Mr.Saxena whosoever you are! looks like in between two of them! I just pity on your new logic behind name of Mumbai...I think this is utter sillyness...
Also I feel ashamed of reading Times Of India for so many years after seeing such a foolish and shit blog by a crazy guy hosted on it's Front Page!
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jose
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February 02,2010 at 10:28 AM IST
fully agree and support cent percent.
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Sudhir
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February 02,2010 at 01:08 PM IST
Please do not compare mass migration of people from other states to Mumbai and Indians looking for opportunities in Australia. Migrants to Mumbai come with all sorts of political powers granted by the Indian Constitution and they are able to fill up voters list and change or alter demographic composition.
When Indians migrate to Australia or UK they are always at receiving end. As they do not enjoys any political rights and number is so less that they can hardly influence the elections there.
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February 03,2010 at 01:33 AM IST
The simple thing is, Australia has a visa system. Maharashtra does not have one! Whenever you see these so called educated folks telling you about Maharashtrians abroad, just tell them something called as 'visa system', and encourage them to support a visa system for Maharashtra... their comparisons are unfair, but logic is something that does not appeal to most Easterners, (right from Middle east till Indonesia). They think more on emotional lines, or rather I will say chauvinist extremist lines.
Their minds are absolutely controlled by the media. These were the same guys who had a different opinion of Modi some time back, and a different one now. Put Rahul Gandhi as the next!!
BTW, I am not a Maharashtrian, or I haven't visited Maharashtra ever. But all my friends from bangalore here tell me good things about Mumbai and Pune. I like them 'coz we all are proud of Shivaji!! The centre will glorify Muslim rulers, and disparage Shivaji, Rajput, Marathas, Jats, Sikhs and other such patriotic communities.
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Rishi
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February 02,2010 at 10:34 AM IST
Peter, why dont you go back to Italy. India is for Indians and all. Even we treat our visitors as god. This is our culture.
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February 02,2010 at 10:37 AM IST
u r saxena that is thats why u are saying like that go and see the ground reality then only u will come to know real factdont give this bludi lacture to people its mumbai not bombay
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February 02,2010 at 10:50 AM IST
Peter Parker.... Interesting name, isn't it... Doesn't sound like Maharashtrian at all; Does it guys??.... BlOoDy IdIoT!!
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February 02,2010 at 11:04 AM IST
Mr Parker, Can u show me any other city of India where the People from outside the state is more then the inhabitants. The answer is,NO. Thats bcoz hardworking
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February 02,2010 at 12:26 PM IST
It is true that the North Indians don't get enough oppurtunities in their states, that's why they come to a city like Mumbai, but the other question is how they get so much oppurtunities over here? The answer is their willingness to do any kind of work for very less amount, unlike the local Maharashtrians. I am born and brought up in Pune, in my 30 years of life in Pune, I have seen that the Maharashtrian people are one of the most laziest people on earth. they don't want to do small jobs, all of them want white-collar jobs. And even if they get office jobs, they spend half of the day drinking tea, eating tobacco and having lunch. All low lying jobs, like constructions, road building etc. have to be done by people from other states. Until the local Marathi Manoooooos change their mind set, this problem will never be solved.
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February 02,2010 at 04:17 PM IST
very true.
This is the case in every country. If you analyze why migrants are more successful than the local population, thats the secret, they are hardworking, and always finding ways to reach their goal in life where as the locals always take things for granted and laid back, thats how they fail and later blame others for their sorry state of affairs. Be it African countries, Europe, USA/Canada, even in gulf countries or of late Australia, they reasons why not only Indians but other expatriates are successful. Instead of hateing people should learn ways of how to succeed from the same people who come from their homelands with nothing in their wallets, how to best use their brains and brawns (body).
Immigration internal/global is inevitable, people got learn to live with it.
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HW
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February 02,2010 at 01:09 PM IST
I have also stayed in Pune being born brought up
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Me Marathi
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February 02,2010 at 05:01 PM IST
Well....as a piece of land Mumbai's capicity is OVER/EXCEEDED..I visited mumbai n stayed there recently for long time...no sense in the argument who occupied Mumbai...the INFLUX mus be stopped...may be the recent attempts of SS and MNS are to STOP the INFLUX...Moreover if any Non-Maharashtrian making an argument that they have made mumbai prosper OR they are hardworking n bla bla bla....they are free to go their home towns n make those places a better place to live with there hard work so that their fraternity wouldnot require to encroach other places...Mumbai was Prosperous earlier with majority of Marathies staying here....n its prosperity attracted many....
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February 03,2010 at 02:36 PM IST
Yes absolutely right. Marathi manoos has to change a lot. Becasue ref comments from Bryan he thinks that marathi manoos in washing utensils of these intelligent people who suppose they are developing Mumbai!!!!!!
Marathi masnoos has to leave white collar jobs and involve in business like other people and suceed even if they dont like to acheive the goals by illegal means, like make duplicate spare parts, loot the insurance by false claims, remix the grocey items with not eatable but cheaper items, mix kereosene with fuels, run dance bars, smugling etc these are the few only there are plenty of ways. But our familys have to be supporting to us. Now the modern Jijabai does not have to show forts to the new Shivajis, but show them the ways to earn money by hook or Crook. I am not saying that NO marathi manoos is doing all this, but we have to now on a large scale and show our LATHI....
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axxymax
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February 22,2010 at 12:08 AM IST
oh yes and biharis are hardworking mixing water in milk and settling illegal shanty. killing ppl and then running back to bihar . bloody bhaiias enough of talking. now we are going to start ki**ing the bastards.
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February 02,2010 at 11:07 AM IST
Folks, this Peter Parker dude sounds like an uneducated, illiterate non-middle class Indian. Ignore his comments. In a country of one billion people, you do get a couple of weirdos like him. Unfortunately now these guys are on the Internet.
As for Mumbai, I'm an NRI from Bangalore and I was born in Mumbai and brought up abroad. Mumbai belongs to me.
Now let's see how Spiderman reacts. ;-)
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February 02,2010 at 01:26 PM IST
Tujea Aayila....tumi marathi maanus????? hey how can u say mumbai belongs to u, first of all u r not sure abt your status (Bangalore, Mumbai, abroad...u mean to say three different fathers??????)confusing rite....conclusion no place for u at amchi Mumbai
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February 02,2010 at 05:22 PM IST
Dear Mumbai_Amchi
I am a mahrashtrian and very proud to be so.. but i am an Indian 1st.. My Passport says i m an Indian and not Maharashtrian or Bihari or Bengali.. All this hullaboo is cuz these stupid politicians are playing with your and my emotions.. once done with Biharis and UPites and rest of Indians in Mumbai, they will start with a Konkani/ rest or maharashtra/ vidhrabha or rest of Maharashtra issues... They leeches in nature and the only thing they know is how to suck our energies so that we become inept people and start following them blindly... god has given us brains... Lets for once use is !!!
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February 02,2010 at 10:59 PM IST
Why not? We're in the 21st century now mate. I lived in Kuwait, Dubai, San Francisco, Singapore, Chennai, Bombay and Bangalore. I have not 3 but 7 "fathers". Oh and add Mysore. So make that 8 "fathers".
LOL at these guys.
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gautam
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February 02,2010 at 11:12 AM IST
i am a maharashtrian. and i can affirmatively say neither Raj nor Uddhav care two hoots for the marathi manoos. they care for their votes and thats it. both are corrupt to the core and dont care if the average marathi manoos suffers in crowded trains and toilet lines in chawls so long as they can conjure regional fevor and get votes.. shame on all those trying to divide this country on regional or religious lines... neither Uddhav nor Raj belong to Bombay, their grandfather was a migrant. Bombay is like USA. Hardly anyone belongs to Bombay.. we all (or our forefathers) came here in hope of a better tomorrow. Its sickening to see India's most cosmopolitan megapolis being reduced to such bigotry. Get real folks, none of these politicians care for u...
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Spiderguy252
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February 02,2010 at 11:16 AM IST
Folks, looks like this Peter Parker is an uneducated, illiterate, non middle class Indian. Imagine him as one of the chaps who escorts bal/raj/udhav thakray from their cars. In a country of a billion people, you do get a couple of weirdos here and there. He falls in that category. I urge all middle class Indians not to respond to this labourer/sweeper/barber. Why these guys are on the Internet beats me.
Oh, and by the way I was born in Mumbai, sorry Bombay and brought up abroad but I'm from Bangalore. And Bombay belongs to me.
Let's see what Spiderman does now. If he types another one of his comments to this one, I'm going to hack him, ;-) Didn't I say I come from tech city B'lore?
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Mumbai my home
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February 02,2010 at 11:26 AM IST
Well aren't we getting fooled by our leaders?. Isn't it possible this guy might be a Pakistani trying to create conflict among us? I am neither a Bihari nor a Maharashtrian. Please make sure we don't hurt each others sentiments by making such comments. Keep in mind opinion of a single person made two separate country from our land. India has the worst politicians. They will make us fight among our self for their votes and kill us one day.
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February 02,2010 at 11:35 AM IST
Fools like Shobhan are deserved to be be kicked out from any place.More surprising it Times Of INDIA can display such cheap blogs...
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dabbawala
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February 02,2010 at 11:48 AM IST
if maharashtra has to be out of bounds for biharis and other north indians, then bombay should be out of bounds for maharashtrians.....these goons spoil bombay's charisma
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RK
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February 02,2010 at 11:45 AM IST
I thought we were all Indians !!! So patriotism is a city thing now. Come on people wake up. Everyone wants India to be great but well with this attitude lets just make Sena and RSS and BJP and Congress great and why bother with the Indian greatness. What a sorry state of affairs
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Arjun Moscow
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February 02,2010 at 04:35 PM IST
Go live in Mumbai no good People of North India wants to go there. I would never go there and wish all Good North Indians mostly all the film Industry is Non Marathi come back to North and develop a new film industry in Delhi . All Big Industrial Giants mostly Non Marathi come to North and then see Mumbai . You talk of Sivaji a lot if i start talking of HIstory of North i would write books about so great People that have been born from North. I am proud to be of State where RAM KRISHNA AND SHIVA lived. Remove name Shiv from ur party because if he sees how to behave to people who belong to his LAND>....HE WILL SURELY open his THIRD EYE on you ..........!!! wont go ever to shit in MUMBAI ALSO !!!!
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Vishwesh
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February 02,2010 at 12:08 PM IST
Hi Mr Shobhan
Yes sure we should reclaim Bombay, But first try to reclaim POK and COK . Then try to hoist a Flag in lal chowk in kashmir. Then my brother talk about reclamation of not only Bombay but also Calcutta , Banglore and Madras.
So when we can start....
Vishwesh [ Marathi Manus - Aamchi Mumbai]
Sames as chennai is for Tamilnadu , Kolkata is for WB, Bengalru is for Karnataka......
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sabby bakshi
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February 02,2010 at 12:34 PM IST
Dont b bias...
i think saxena is rite ..
every language has its own charm...and we all love to learn themm
but if it becomesss a need to learn...we run away .i m in south India..guess wat being in india..people dont know hindi...Hindi is not compulsory as well in schoolss...!
just now one line strike my mind...Simon go back...
hey peterr d'suzaa..
GO back to british world..sumthing CC time.!
The charm of INdia is its language and beutiful poeple wid beautiful heart....LOL
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Rajesh
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February 02,2010 at 12:59 PM IST
Mr.Saxena should first reclaim Punjab from Pakistan
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Deepti
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February 02,2010 at 12:58 PM IST
I hail from Uttarakhand where people from differents parts of India settled to save their lives,dignity and religion when there were invasions from foreigners.Many of them were war soldiers too.Their roots can be traced to Maharashtra,Rajasthan,Punjab,UP,Bengal and Gujarat. But we all are now people of Uttaranchal, we have our own dialects (Garhwali,Kumaoni) we donot speak Hindi. There is no difference in the aborogines of Uttarakhand and us.. I welcome the people from South and maharashtra to take up land and do business and settle any where in North India and they won't be harmed. The history of north India reflects that we had to face the attacks and invasions first whenever some one dared India. because south India was well protected by sea and Hindi in its literary or pure form is not spoken in the North too. There also you will find myraid of dialects of Hindi.North Indians can go and live anywhere in any part of India and can adjust themselves well because we are open minded in that sense. I would encourage people from from other parts of India to come out of the shell and disperse in this Indian fabric; Only then can India be strong
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Amey
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February 04,2010 at 10:00 PM IST
First of all Media especially national media is misleading people that this campaign is against All North Indian, Its completely wrong, Raj Thakarey has talked only about people from Biharis and Upiets.
Even Maharashtra is hosting people from other states from years. Take an example of Nanded where Sardars are more than Maharastri people, almost all cities, towns of maharastra has atleast one Sindhi coloney, almost all cities have Mearwadi janta in significant numbers, many gujraties, even colonies of telgus; Then why is people from Bihar and UPiets has got such reaction ? Is the the point which should be thinked upon. Other people are still here because they got accustomed to the rituals, to the language here and leaving peacefully. Biharis,bhaiyyas with their natural tendency to break the rule, consensus are trying to break peacefull-ness of a city MUMBAI, Maharastra. And a simple thing, Is it so difficult to pronounce Mumbai istead of Bombay ? If this land providing you the opportunity to work then shouln't we respect the local language of this place? Is this that difficult? And its the fact that Mumbai is located in Maharastra, we cant change its location. Cant we simply accept that Marathi people preserved this city till now so that we have favorable conditions to work ? People simple option is learn Marathi, respect it, If you respect Marathi, call the city as Mumbai and not Bambai or Bombay other wise doors are open for you to go to your states and develope a new city.
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Kalingaputra
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February 02,2010 at 01:10 PM IST
Very Good.Reserve stadiums for Marathi cricket players, taxis for marathi commuters and go on extent to start demanding for a train service from Virar to churchgate only for marathis.Allow goods to be sold and bought by only marathis.And kick out all the Indians from Mumbai who do not possess birthcertificates to prove that they r marathis.Better post a sign in every check posts that Indians(except those who are born in Maharastra}Pakistanis and Australians are not allowed in Mumbai.Very Good Very Good.It makes me remember how the jews felt when Hitler used the same method against them.
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Animesh
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February 02,2010 at 01:21 PM IST
Shivaji was not a great leader because he was marathi...but..due to his fairness and governance! I feel ashamed reading some of these replies which are full of divide and reek of hatred. What is the point what are we trying to prove?? Next you will say that Parker was actually a Marathi manoos character caller ParKAR...Stop this guys!!!
We are moving in the direction of an absolute disarray...tomorrow God forbid if something happens due to this provocation...you the same guys will go to light a candle and display a slogan on "Spirit of Mumbai" or may be will donate a day's salary and feel great in your conscience.
I have lived in the city for 3 years am abroad now and would never like to get back. I just want to savor the wonderful memories..congrats to you on reclaiming the city Marathi manoos and North Indians for putting up a brave fight...I would like to know:
1. Why the PM of the country is silent?
2. Why Home Minister still believes that the State Govt is capable?
3. Why BT has to comment on everything any famous personality says? On a fair note I would like to listen to him if he is invited (EVER) by London School of Economics...because the world thrives on meritocracy and not language...
I think enough from me. Any respectable comment/ argument is welcome provided you maintain the basic right of expression and letting me express..I fel writing an editorial is like a Gurilla War. If you have believe in a healthy discussion have a public debate!
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faria
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February 02,2010 at 01:13 PM IST
its bombay only bombay
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sagar pashankar
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February 06,2010 at 02:52 PM IST
yep you paki for you im sure its bombay or for your sake maybe it can be karachi
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m. rahman
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February 02,2010 at 01:25 PM IST
govt should court marshal all marathni anti national aliment, through them out of Mumbai
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Yogesh
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February 02,2010 at 02:29 PM IST
Maharashtra is building cities like Mumbai, navi mumbai, thane, nashik, pune, nagpur, aurangabad etc.. And when we develop one city, all bhaiyaas occupy it.. we will not allow this to happen anymore.. go bhaiyaa go.. develop ur own state first..
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Subhasish
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February 02,2010 at 05:09 PM IST
Yogesh,
Do not dare to move out of Mumbai...ever in your life ...with this kind of mentality you should consider Mumbai as a separate country and Bal thackery as its PM...Bal thackery ...what name BAl....
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sagar pashankar
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February 06,2010 at 02:54 PM IST
that would be the most ideal situation a dream actually thanks for the support you shitty north indian pig
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Deadly Dan
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February 02,2010 at 04:54 PM IST
A few points from someone who was born and brought up in Bombay( I think Bombay is cooler sounding)
1. Shiv Sena has the upper hand in the BMC. What stops them from razing the slums?? That way anyone coming from outside will get the message that u just don't pack ur bags and come here and stay on the streets.
2. None of us have any pride left in being mumbaikars/bambaiyaas etc. We tolerate the slums and continue to live our own sorry lives and then support stupid parties like Shiv Sena and MNS. What did they do when they came into power.
3. The folks who have lost their jobs are not just the Marathi Manoos. If u take a closer look its people who are incompetent who have lost the major chunk of jobs
4. The bigger issue is not of North Indians or South Indians or Marathi folks. The cost of living has been so artificially inflated by the builders and politicians that even small flats cost Rs 1 Cr?? Even when people cannot afford it
Lets stop fighting over stupid issues like the one this aricle has created and put our energies to make our lives better
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February 02,2010 at 04:59 PM IST
Dear respected our Indian citizens, Maharashtra state and Indian Central Government with kind request for a good cause to our loved unified Indian country , throw Thackeray's out of Maharashtra or do something where they should not get publicity or even the Maharashtra people start ignoring them. As these Thackeray’s just for personnel cause trying to divide our country. Sometimes I go on thinking whether these Thackeray's been working on behest of Pak.
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Subhasish Banerjee
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February 02,2010 at 04:52 PM IST
Peter parker are you an Indian????..tomorrow if all the North Indians move out of Mumbai and all the major companies will move out due to this filthy movement...then what will you do...what will your so called "marathi manoos" do....create a taliban like force and attack the restt of India???
Ridiculous i really feel what type of education was imparted on you....
Pity on you and your so called Shiv Sena and MNS....
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sagar pashankar
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February 06,2010 at 02:56 PM IST
u stupid bong mumbai devoid of filth like you would be utopia
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Amit
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February 02,2010 at 05:02 PM IST
mr saxena you lived in mumbai for 3 years and that qualifies you to make this statement "of reclaiming mumbai"???
Everybody can read wikipedia and comment on the origin of word Mumbai or Bombay.
The FACT is it is now MUMBAI and only MUMBAI. North Indians always say it wrong so someone need to correct them I see No harm in that.You need not refer to Mumbai as Bombay I need to correct you too.See!
Money is the word saxena and thats the reason you blog n puke about mumbai and not bangalore.
and lastly yes north indians are dominating and arrogant by mature. You just have to come out of the case to judge their real nature.
One advise bihari,
Dont blog just for the heck of it!!!!
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Parihar R S
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February 02,2010 at 05:00 PM IST
How easily said ! Who the hell are you to say so? What is your contribution to this country / state?
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Shamsher Singh
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February 02,2010 at 05:05 PM IST
Saying Maharashtra a developed state is a joke. Go outside Mumbai its poverty, garbage and suicides all the way!!! I don't know what this effin' hoopla is all about
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sagar pashankar
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February 06,2010 at 02:58 PM IST
so please do not come here thank you
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Abhijit
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February 02,2010 at 05:14 PM IST
Mr.Saxena how dare you call "the only people who are honest, hard-working, simple are the taxiwallahs and street vendors, all of whom come from UP and Bihar". What the heck you mean about other people living out there are not honest?? Be careful what you write
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February 03,2010 at 11:06 AM IST
Why all of u jokers use the UP as hate word.
Come to Noida, Kanpur or Lucknow and watch the progress.
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edward
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February 02,2010 at 05:18 PM IST
peter parker is such an ignorant that he does not even see that the writer is male..no wonder his comments are so dumb
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K. P. NAMBIAR
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February 02,2010 at 05:41 PM IST
ALL POLITICAL PARTIES
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Wilbert J. D'Silva
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February 02,2010 at 05:50 PM IST
Before it is too late, let us scrap the division of our country on basis of religion / language / culture. Our country should be divided in administrative zones purely based on the number of citizens per a specific area. If we continue on the basis of language / religion / culture, we will have many many small states which will be ruled by thugs / goons. See what has happened in Andhra Pradesh and this process will be repeated dozens times over and over again.
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manoos
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February 02,2010 at 06:08 PM IST
peter parker - if all non-marathis leave BOMBAY then there will be no work done only.
I worked in BOMBAY between 2002-2006 and never did i come across a colleague at my company who was marathi...i wonder why....
the only marathis in Mumbai have joined shiv sena or mns...most likely because they couldn't get a real job...
so if you can choose (not like its one you have)
would you prefer Marathi only plain Mumbai or a Great BOMBAY for and with all??
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jai maharastra
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February 02,2010 at 06:24 PM IST
Yes, we have Ajmal Kasab
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MManus
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February 02,2010 at 07:29 PM IST
This is utter BS from a person who has lived only 3 years in Mumbai and claims to give away mumbai ownership to all.
On top of that she claims that only hardworking people here in Mumbai are North Indians. That is utter non-sense.
Yes, I am Indian first but I am very proud to be Maharashtrain and Mumbaikar as well.
People are completely missing the point what real needs of true Marathi Manoos are !
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An Indian
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February 02,2010 at 07:11 PM IST
First of all I hate politicians (be it SS, MNS, Cong, BJP) for creating such a havoc. My question is which politician has done anything to create a job oppurtunity. They drive around in the most expensive cars, live in the most expensive bungalows, but do not have any capability to start a school, industry etc. that can benefit common man. Only thing they do is to cause such rifts, which some unfortunate fellow indians take it to their heart.
The problem faced in Mumbai is due to extent of immigration versus what the city is capable of taking. The problem is not due to just north indians or south indians migrating to Mumbai. Lets assume that people from all over Maharashtra start migrating to Mumbai, we will have the same situation.
I think it would be a request to entrepreneurs to not invest in already crowded cities (Mumbai, Bengaluru, Delhi, Kolkatta, CHennai). Start the industries in other parts of the nation and provide employment oppurtunities to everyone.
And I totally agree that Local Population suffers due to the uncontrolled migration (in form of lost jobs, increase cost of living etc.), so let's sympathize with their sentiments as well.
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Maneesh
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February 02,2010 at 07:18 PM IST
All those supporting this stupidity of Thakreys , tomorrow they will fight that Dadar Manoos will not come Bandra ..ha ha.. let them be frustrated .. constitution of India has given this right to each Indian that if he is willing he can live and work in "Bombay" (I like this old name). I don't intend to ..but nobody can stop me from coming and living in Bombay if I wish. Period.
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Sachin
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February 02,2010 at 07:16 PM IST
What r u talking about dude!! lets look at the bigger picture and see is it really good to have such dirty politics in our lives??? Think one more time!!!
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Satish
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February 02,2010 at 08:00 PM IST
Mr. Saxena you need to be taught correct history. What you have stated in your blog that the name of the city was Bombay and not Mumbai is pure lie. The orignal name of the city is Mumbai which originated from goddess Mumbadevi. Likewise the original name of Bandra which is a western subarb of the city is Vandre. The Portuguese could not these vernacular words prononce poperly. Moreover where wever you all so called cosmpolitan when the Biharis were gunned down by the ULFA extremist in Asam? Why did not a single politician has uttered a word agaisnt the killing of Biharis in Asam?
The migrants from UP and Bihar only responsible for the current situation in Mumbai. The very existence of Marathi people in Maharashtra and more particularly is threatened. The migrants from UP and Bihar are arrogant. They undermine the original Marathi people of this city. This we are experiencing in every walks of life.You convincingly forget the love of people in South Indian States viz. Tamilnadu, Kerla, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka for Hindi language. Does any politician dare to say against this?
The condition of knowledge of the language of the people of the region stipulated in the Motor Vehicle Act? Would any other State Government will allow to issue driving licences if somebody does not understand the language of that region? If the State Government of Maharashtra implements the provisions laid down in the Act then why such hue and cry about this.
Maharashtra got Mumbai because of 105 martyrs of Unified Maharashtra Movement. Which the people of separate Vidarbha movement should also remember. If anybody thinks of dividing Maharashtra or oblitreating the Matrathi culture they are insulting the martyrs of Unified Maharashtra Movement. What do Sonia and Rahul Gandhi know about the Unified Maharashtra Movement. Sonia at that time was not India citizen. Mr. Saxena I think you would better respect the feelings of people of the region before writing anything on such issues.
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February 02,2010 at 08:21 PM IST
Hi All,
I feel proud when I hear any good things about Maharastrians like Maratha Light Infantry Battalion caz they are fightin for us , all indians. not for a particular state or religion.So it hurts whn anyone talks against marathis but i hate. I like my country n plz dont divide it into states......Jai Hind....
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VIKRAM
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February 02,2010 at 08:51 PM IST
WAKE UP MR. PARKER. BOMBAY WAS HIJACKED A LONG TIME BACK AND YOU ARE ONLY CRYING OVER SPLILLED MILK.CAN U THINK WHY THE BOMBAY FILM INDUSTRY IS COMPLETELY DOMINATED BY PUNJABIS ? I MEAN THEY DONT EVEN HAVE ONE MARATHI SUPERSTAR.THE BIGGEST OF THE STARS HAPPEN TO COME FROM U.P AND DELHI(NORTH INDIA). ALL THE HINDI SONGS THAT THESE GHATIS SING ARE PUNJABI WITH A SPATTERING OF HINDI. THE BIGGEST INDUTRIALISTS IN BOMBAY COME FROM GUJRAT
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Mumbaikar
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February 07,2010 at 06:58 PM IST
Yeah right........... so Madhuri Dixit-Nene, Lata Mangeshkar, Asha Bhosale all these must be super-flops in your view.
The pioneers of film industry in this country were ||Ghatis|| as you call them. Dadasaheb Phalke award is considered the most prestigious award even today.
AND the Punjabi stars you are talking about have gone into hiding. The Hindi film industry is controlled by the Khans today. there is just Akshay Kumar standing up against that force.
I respect all great actors in the film industry . but don't make the mistake of thinking that Marathi people have nil contribution in movies. better get yourself updated.
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Meghna
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February 02,2010 at 09:07 PM IST
If we really go to the origin, then this city belongs to the fisher folk. The Shiv Sainiks who want to claim it is their's, first please ask the natives. They probably want to throw you out too. So do not invite trouble for yourselves.
I was born in the city and have lived in MUMBAI/BOMBAY for over 27 years. I love the city for it is cosmopolitan culture and probably love it as much as any other marathi speaking manoos. And the credit to make it such a wonderful city goes to the NORTH INDIANS as much as it goes to the marathi manoos. By playing such cheap politics the party is inviting hatred from the rest of the countrymen. I am a BOMBAYITE but am INDIAN FIRST.
BOMBAY MERI JAAN ! BUT Bombay will be nothing all by itself.
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February 06,2010 at 03:04 PM IST
why dont you leave and let us the orignals find out for better or worse if it is better as MUMBAI or as bombay
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LB
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February 03,2010 at 01:21 AM IST
Who are you Peter Parker? Marathi Manoos is a shameful propaganda, whose objective is based on nothing but gaining personal power. Shiva Sena is just stupid to make Marathi Manoos a political agenda..
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manav
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February 03,2010 at 08:26 AM IST
very cheap and useless comment.
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February 03,2010 at 10:16 AM IST
i think people like bala aheb thakrey have nothing to do and they are trying to make one last attempt to create some noice and review its dying party . more over i am not sure he represent the people of mumbai in any sense at all ...what he doesnt remembers i what if other states do exactly the same thing to Maharashtrians who are living in other states ,,iam not sure also how can become an authority in saying some thing negative to austraian government as well.. considering he himself is treating the people from his own country so badly... in my view we should not pay any attention to peopls such as thakrey ..they have never done antything for the country and they never will
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Pramod Patil
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February 03,2010 at 11:03 AM IST
Hi Shobna,
It seems you have very less knowledge about Mumbai history.Better way you first go through history .
And my question to all who are against maharashtra mumabi.
Why they are not able to create mumbai on there side.Who stopped them to create it.
please understand there is problem by migrated people in mumbai thats why shivsena and MNS getting suppoort.
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Naresh
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February 03,2010 at 11:41 AM IST
Its total weekness of the current and past governments. Political parties play for votes, may it be Sena, BJP or MNS. No one should leave Mumbai. There are few MNS
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ANIL Malhotra
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February 03,2010 at 11:42 AM IST
Its very unfortunate to see such commentary.I'm currently residing in Dallas,TX for last 10 years originally from delhi,stayed in Bombay for 4 years 1996-2000. Initially I didn't like the city it was too filthy,but later fell in love with it.In my Opinion Bal Thakray and his Gang of thugs is more dangerous than "Bhindrawale".If the comments from Shiv Sainiks are OK for marathis then why not have a independent Punjab(Khalistan) for punjabis or a seperate kashmir and so on and so forth ...I think Bal thakrey is trying to fetch some sheen on Political scene.At the same time I agree that migration from UP ,Bihar and other poor states is a major problem for Indian cities but the solution has to come from people like you and me not from the thugs like Raj/Bal Thakrey.I think lets focus our energies in rebuilding the India in entirity and throw away the petty differences...When I look backward and see ..I am also a migrant to USA from Delhi and always feel like going back to delhi or bombay ...but these stupid elements like shiva sena is a big irritant and blood boils...anyways its time to throw these devisive politicians(Thakray's,Mulayam's etc) into bay of bengal and focus on India's growth and development.
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U R ALL Stupid
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February 03,2010 at 12:18 PM IST
My god............
What is happening here????
are u all people insane? Stop doing this segregation in already splited country of our.
Our marathi culture is great we do not need to show it or to protact it from any one. Nobody is compelling us to speak HINDI. The people working here are poor guys, let them work why educated people like us coming in trap of politicians who are just doing it for their benefit.
Guy Please stop this. Both of side please. Tell me honestly have anybody ever forced you to speak Hindi in Mumbai??? No, never we are free to speak in our language. And you Hindi speaking people, Please stop making it a big issue and stop making bad comments about this issue. The more you people will right here the higher this issue will escalate.
Please people for our country's sake stop this because when you go abroad, you are indian not hindi, marathi and any other for god's sake...
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Vinod
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February 03,2010 at 12:32 PM IST
Does Saxena have any clue of history... or of anything else for that matter? There were devotees of Mumbadevi a century before the Portuguese came to Mumbai.
Re: revenue from Mumbai... it's not only goods but goods and services. And so what if headquarter is in Mumbai and production elsewhere? Who manufactures goods in large cities anyway?
Re: taxiwalas... I agree they are honest and hardworking (probably the most honest of all taxiwalas in India). But how does that build a case for north indians being respectful of local culture?
I am a proud Marathi manoos, and I don't like the hatred being spread by SS/MNS. However, Saxena's article is neither making the point nor is accurate.
On another note on the name change... I also lived in Madras in the 80s, and over 4 years, never heard a Tamilian actually call the city "Chennai" when speaking Tamil. At least in Mumbai, we always called it "Mumbai" when speaking Marathi. Saxena should write an article about that!
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manoj
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February 03,2010 at 12:57 PM IST
Its the support of all India ( mumbains are also great indians) that is ramification of the greatness of BOMBAY. So keep ur call, "jai India"
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Vishal Potdar
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February 03,2010 at 02:19 PM IST
the author of this article itself is a bhaiyya, so what ever he or she will write will be against the MNS and SS. Congrats for displaying all this false lines which you have written. No matter what happens you will always support the bhaiyas. But soonner or later you will be kicked out of here.
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Debjit
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February 03,2010 at 02:38 PM IST
A good informative article. Yes we considered BOMBAY as the most cosmopolitan city in India. Surely politics is v dirty. The congress and BJP created the senas and now cannot control them just lik the way pakistan created the terrorists outfits and now cant control them. To all sensible ppl of india.. pls raise your voice againts the senas.
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Sudha
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February 03,2010 at 03:04 PM IST
Stop saying Bombay..!! People who are staing in Mumbai have the rights to comment on the situation of Mumbai. Mumbai has been overcrowded and the basic resources like space, water, jobs have been at risk. So the main intention is to avoid the situation of crunch of the Resources. Therefore Stop coming to Mumbai. People from Other states includning UP AND BIHAR, remember to develop your state, create some jobs over there, and leave peacesully.
Maharashtra culture is having patience, but it doesnt mean that Over people who are not from Maharashtra can overshadow it.
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Kabir Singh
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February 03,2010 at 03:16 PM IST
Peter,
Get ready for the consequences, entering Daman or Goa on weekends will require passport and Visa clearance. No world bank will finance for even a single brick, forget about metros or mono rail you will be again on “Bailgaadi”. Today having fun on cosmopolitan money and puking venom against non Marathi, that time Thackeray’s will suck only Marathi blood…
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February 03,2010 at 04:46 PM IST
Besides all the Misleading information put forward by MR. Saxena, I would like to bring your notice that:
1.The campaigns are only against Biharis and UPites not against all North Indians. Again Hindi media channels are misleading people by not putting forward MNS's role properly. Maharashtra is always been a host for all types people from all over the india. Look at the Nanded for example More Sardars than Maharashtri but these people leaved here like there home, they learned Marathi, they got adjusted with the customes here thats why they are still here. But every one knows the mentalities of Biharis n bhhaiyya people.They have tendancy to break the rule, violance.I have been to Bihar, people generally avoid to go out side home after 7PM. And these people wants to mess up whole country. If these states dont progress soon then whole coutry is going to trat them in the same way, what happened in Ludhiyana in last December was one of the example. And the so called educated people from Bihar like Mr.Saxena should do something to develope there state instead of providing the wrong info about Maharashtra.
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Nadeem
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February 03,2010 at 05:51 PM IST
Hope Someone digs into how much money surfaces after stirring all this racial shit. 'Coincidentaly' all powerful shitstirrers are stinking rich.
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February 03,2010 at 07:55 PM IST
I am from Nepal but I could not differentiate between Marathi manoos or folks from North India. They all seems alike from looks and stature. Speaking a different dialect of same mother language does not make you a different nationality. I met someone in US from Mumbai and I was surprise to hear his theory. He claims European linkage of Marathis... there was a portuguese ship which sank across the Maharashtra beach and the survivors are the present Marathis. I could not stop laughing!!!
My surname is Pande and our parents always tells we migrated to Nepal during the Mugal attack almost 1000 years back. Do you want to see the same hatred against us in Nepal? Please don't carried away by the ethnic cleansing tirade of these fake leaders!
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Tanvir
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February 03,2010 at 09:32 PM IST
Can you hear Thakreys "It's Bombay not Mumbai"
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saket mishra
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February 03,2010 at 10:43 PM IST
dear peter.. it seems a name from foreign country .. means you must be christian . Fine very fine . but still when you will go other places, you will get such a better treatment, you will never forget. It seems you are frustated. I am sure whenever you use something you make sure its pure maharashtian and never have seen any english movies or channel. You only be knowing marathi. No other language . You had schooling at marathi language and marathi board. for you its sin to speak and see and dress any thing non marathi. You make sure every time you only marathi dress. then how come your name is non marathi. If you will marry someone it will bw marathi and your son will never step outside maharashtra.
with love from India.
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Dinesh Patel
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February 04,2010 at 10:02 AM IST
I agree with you tottly, this sexanna or whatever her name is should realize that she is talking about east north indian. This people from U.P are SAVEGES and ugly and filthy Dravedian.
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February 05,2010 at 08:21 PM IST
I wish I could see your picture! Do you look European? I guess parents must be coming from Nazi era in Germany.
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Dinesh Patel
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February 04,2010 at 10:13 AM IST
Everyone shut the /// up. Let's talk about Rahul Ghandi who has 2 billion dollar in cash in swiss bank.
I wonder where this money came from? any ideas?
Dinesh
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sani
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February 04,2010 at 05:22 PM IST
Mumbai will never be Bombay again as Portugese have stopped ruling India!! So get up Mr Saxena and stop digging out the history!
Mumbai is the most populus city of Inida..thanks to other state migrants! We marathi dont have any problems against those who stay and work legally here. But if u travel in suburbs then u will realize how these migrants stay here! Most part of the Mumbai has got converted to slum area..and ya thanks to ur Taxis and Rikshaws..it takes 2 hrs to travel for 15mins distance. The mentallity of these migrants is to only earn money ..they lack of discipline. Mumbai is getting dirter, corrupted , polluted day by day by these homeless migrants!!
I will suggest to have a valid passport and sufficient bank balance to relocate to mumbai.
U better shut up and rethink Mr.Saxena before writing such absurd blogs!
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abhijit
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February 06,2010 at 05:38 PM IST
base of india diferent types of languges , castes,relegions because of all this diversity we people are facing no. of problems
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santosh
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February 10,2010 at 02:03 PM IST
When too many people gather at one place problems are bound to exist. Look at City with more than 15-16 milion people. People migrate for better life. after 60 years of independance why up and bihar are still like toilets and all my brothers have to run to other states for jobs? No one talkes on this issue. Biggest lie is about national language. Hindi is regional languague of few indian states. Hindi and english are offcial languages for central gov for its internal affairs. all bros and sys from up and bihari wanted better life and they got in other states. so like we visit our relatives and become one with them, you also follow the same. you come here learn marathi and be "marathi" in maharashtra , be "tamil" in tamilnadu. The goonda politicians in up and bihar forced you to come here for jobs and peaceful life so need to welcome them here. Amiabh bachhan wears "Mandu" in kerala film festival and says be "Mallu" in Kerala. thats it.
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Saidu
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February 12,2010 at 11:42 AM IST
In school I learned all Indians are brothers and sisters. In Hinduism I learned "Vande Matharam" (Respect to mother of country). In Hindi I Learned "Bharath Matha Ki Jay". And now i Learned first the problem was Muslims, we stopped them in Mumbhai, Then it is North Indians (Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Singh etc.) we sill stop them in Mumbhai. Then Mr. Thakerey if then also you are not getting power on Government then what you will say?.
Please learn to say "Bharath Matha ki Jay"
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February 12,2010 at 05:58 PM IST
bombay is bombay . I was born in Bombay and my passport say so.
I want my bith place back.
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February 02,2010 at 12:43 AM IST
Agree...born and brought up in Bombay...and its the best city in the world..if only idiotic ppl stop their stupid policies of dividing the people...why dont the MNS and SS do something about the illegal Bangladeshis staying there and the Pakis that turn up whenever they want to kill innocents in India rather than fighting against their own countrymen...
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Peter Parker
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February 02,2010 at 01:40 AM IST
The illegal pakis and bangladeshi's are muslims (and psuedo muslims) from UP and Bihar. They followed kripashankar singh and the other bihari's that want to take over mumbai.
My advice to all northies go back to where you came from. You are not needed, wanted nor liked in Mumbai, regardless of what chidambaram, the white boy rahul, RSS and Bhaiyya Janata Party says.
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L J Saldanha
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February 02,2010 at 03:09 AM IST
Talk of racist elements outside India? It's about time India does some introspection.The India of today was crested by the British. Where were the great Senas when others were fighting for independance. The various Senas should be declared anti-national and the leaders hung from the nearest lampost.
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February 02,2010 at 03:44 AM IST
'Peter Parker' : the name of character in spiderman movie...and he hates the north indians.. you have an undeveloped television fascinated fried brain.. get it rested
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February 02,2010 at 04:57 AM IST
Peter Parker, seems like you lost your Marathi Manoos credentials beginning with your name.
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February 02,2010 at 06:42 AM IST
Man!Parker, you really rankle me. The likes of you, Thackeray and his kin wouldn't have the cajones to come out and say it without the help of a billion goondas. God, I wish you were here! I'm born and brought up in Mumbai and this kinda hate is just surprising. Ah! I'd really like to see you here in person and i gurantee you, you won't be able to recognise your roots once I am done with you.
And like old man Thackeray or the tapori Raj says, aai zhavadya!!!
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February 02,2010 at 07:21 AM IST
Peter parker,
You are stupid and anti- indian. You say Northies go back. God forbid of you have to come to North India.Mumbai is a part of India and so is Bihar. So stop talking like an idiot.
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N. Lal
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February 02,2010 at 08:38 AM IST
Is that your real name, Peter Parker? If so, then I didn't expect such a hate mongering attitude coming from a minority like you. Take your beef somewhere in India where you are welcome.
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February 02,2010 at 09:10 AM IST
Peter, I am glad you have shown the courage to speak up. The more folks like Nandish talk this kind nonsense, nearer we shall be to a divided India.You just cannot have a situation in which every train steaming into Mumbai from UP and Bihar brings a train load of unemployed people who displace and elbow out the locals, who have been here for generations.If logical and human grievances of locals are not heard, there will be totally unnecessary violence and ill will.Let us all work towards the avoidance of this.
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February 02,2010 at 09:18 AM IST
Peter Parker,
Go back to your mother's womb where you came from. You are not needed here.
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February 02,2010 at 09:38 AM IST
you dumb nut! Amazing ignorance and prejudice shown by you can only give all normal people the creeps. You should be in jail and the keys thrown away!. Psycho!
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February 02,2010 at 10:08 PM IST
What a depressing nonsense we are discussing about.. ??? Come on guys.. we all are educated .. highly qualified peoples.. We should not use such abusive language for our own Indians.. Plz…
Always keep in mind peoples those who are backing or opposing this issue. both want to empower Mumbai they are political and will always think in that way only..
Being a Maharashtrian I feel ashamed of all these nonsense peoples.
No one stopping anyone coming to Maharashtra.. everone is welcome but do respect the local culture and people too..
Rahul Gandhi, Raj Thakre and Udhav thakre are talking the same language of dividing we Indians..
Why the hell are they pulling Army and Police in this issue…
I feel Central
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Shriram NENE
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February 02,2010 at 06:54 PM IST
Rightly said brother. Good one! GOvernance of maharashtra is in hands of these Northies Congress. This congress party have ruined India. Maharashtra has always thought about the country first and then the state but because of this, you people have taken us for granted and forced us to take a step like the one taken by Raj Tahckeray. Why did Raj Thackeray or Shiv Sena exists in Maharashtra? The answer is there is no good and powerful central governance. If there would have been one, then the people of Maharashra themselves wouldn't have voted or have supported these parties. I believe that there must be a central rule. Only the central power can eradicate the problem. Coming back to the main issue, we were loosing our identity as Marathi. You can us ghati. Yes we are proud to be ghati. Do not give these statements after living in our state. We were patient till now but will not be in the future. All the youth is supporting Maharashtra and Maharashtra Navnirmaan Sena (MNS).
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February 02,2010 at 05:45 AM IST
Why should the MNS and the SS fight to remove illegal Bangladeshis and Pakis?These thugs will will not gets votes for fighting for these causes. The family - SS/MNS knows to play to the gallery and win over the gullibile Marathi Manoos. But SS and MNS Bombay will go the Kolkata way in no time.
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February 02,2010 at 12:57 AM IST
I think you are absolutely correct. We all need to understand the differences creaed by these politicians in our minds. I am Marathi but, I am not against the UP or Biharis. But I am agaisnt the politicians of UP and Bihar who had made the these states good for nothing. Bihar was one of the properous state in India and now? Its so simple. We should know the need and come together and ignore the episodes.
But, I am sure every state in India would react in the same manner Mumbai is doing now if, it is overcrowded and the locals are not getting the basic needs of life.
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February 02,2010 at 01:35 AM IST
I have a problem when anybody says that people from U.P.
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February 02,2010 at 06:09 AM IST
Hi Nikhil,
I agree to most of your points except for the place where you say everyone will react the same way as is being done by MNS and Shiv Sena.
You have to understand that its not the people reacting but petty politicians trying to get political mileage and influencing the mindsets of the uneducated people.
For a car to move, all parts are required. A car cant move without an engine, neither can it move without tyres or coolant or oil or petrol, etc etc
It is for the government to take constructive steps to develop other cities across India so that the crowding of Mumbai reduces and people get a better life.
As a Mumbaikar having spent most of my life in Mumbai, I would love it if the living conditions of people of Mumbai improve but not at the cost of the blood of powerless innocent people who are only trying to make a living.
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February 02,2010 at 09:17 AM IST
Yes Nikhil I agree with you. I m from Delhi and I had friends from Maharashtra, Tamilnadu, Bihar any any other part. In India there is no work in villages and people have to move to cities for work. How can someone ask them to go away when they are not doing anything unconstituitional.
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February 02,2010 at 10:55 AM IST
BASIC reason for marathis not getting job is that their education ,they have not heard of basic mathematic till college level,they cannot compete in national competion ,take the data of any natial competative exam,see where are marathi mannos.
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February 02,2010 at 09:39 AM IST
Nikhil, a highly sensible contribution, if only the die hard, convent educated, pseudo intellectuals will see the writing on the wall, and listen to warning signals.
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February 02,2010 at 01:04 AM IST
I love the fact that you use 'Bombay' and not 'Mumbai'. Ever since the hullabaloo about Wake Up Sid, it has been my personal mission in life to get as many people as possible to call the city Bombay again.
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February 02,2010 at 02:38 AM IST
can t agree more!
call it Bombay henceforth.
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tarun
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February 02,2010 at 03:54 AM IST
sorry kid. you will never succeed.
take it one more time - mumbai.
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February 02,2010 at 05:09 AM IST
On Board Aanchal. I was born and raised in Bombay till someone renamed it Mumbai. If its people's choice I have no issues. Thats what democracy is about. But if its an individual/political party's choice, then I have an issue.
This renaming of Bombay to Mumbai -- in my opinion is the latter.
Hence, Bombay it is for me.... between I thought Bambai was kewl as well ;-)
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February 02,2010 at 06:31 AM IST
You are very ignorant Anchal. You don't like Mumbai being called Mumbai because some political party initiated it? No political party has naming rights to the city. The name Mumbai always existed because that is what is called in Marathi. If you are a Mumbaite and have lived in Mumbai enough to call it Amchi Mumbai then you shouldn't feel shameful. It just shows that you have no respect for locals nor for Marathi culture which is a shame.
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February 02,2010 at 07:01 AM IST
Stupid reasons...most of them lie...
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February 02,2010 at 07:27 AM IST
You are absolutely wrong in doing this. You are hurting the sentiments of local people when in reality the name MUMBAI and only MUMBAI is right.It comes from the name of the goddess MUMBADEVI worshipped by the original inhabitants of MUMBAI the fisherfolks. If you are a true Mumbaiite then you should be telling others to use the right name and not the other way reound. In fact Mr. Shobhan Saxena should also get his facts and history of MUMBAI correct.
Also please do not call Chennai by the name Madras and Kolkata by the name Calcutta anymore as people over there may not be as forgiving as Mumbaites.
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February 02,2010 at 05:34 PM IST
I wound never care whether they call Chennai as Chennai or Madras.. as both mean the same.. lets not get in to all these diversions put up by our Beloved politicians to divert us from various other issues that we collectively face.. Lets stand strong together and be united as India and make it better..
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February 03,2010 at 09:44 AM IST
Oh common subbu we all know how unwelcoming tamilians are to outsiders . so bala do not be ignorant.
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February 02,2010 at 07:47 AM IST
and it is my mission to call it mumbai.
whatever the name it needs to be indian name.
as it is an indian city and not a british city anymore. we need to get out of the colonial nostalgia of what Mumbai once was.and what it was called etc. Indian city, indian name. the real problem you guys have with name mumbai is that it sounds marathi and marathi people use it. So you do not want to use it. I know... been there...
should it be named Bumbai, or anything sounding from north, you will readily use it....
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February 02,2010 at 07:55 AM IST
I hate all those who use word Bombay. It was Mumbai and will remain Mumbai. The city was named after the goddess Mumba.
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February 02,2010 at 08:47 AM IST
wow what a mission!!!are you one of those spoilt rich kids who dont have to work for a living who have useless missions like these??
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February 02,2010 at 08:54 AM IST
Yeah, why don't you settle in Britain then?
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February 02,2010 at 09:42 AM IST
Well you still retain the slave mentality.
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February 02,2010 at 10:05 AM IST
We are not slaves dear...you are. SS and MNSs. We call it Bombay because we like it just as we call Bharat as India and nobody can stop us from doing that. We love our country and we love Bombay. Politicians enough is enough ...stop fooling us.
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February 02,2010 at 10:46 AM IST
I was born in Bombay, and love calling it Bombay....Bombay it will be for me always...not some name thought about by a bunch of demented, selfish fools.
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February 02,2010 at 01:31 AM IST
Its really a disgusting politics. Indians can be divided any number of times, based on religion, caste, region, language, and probably something else may come tomorrow. Politicians gain from this hate politics, but the sad thing is to see the Indians getting divided, they do not seem to have even little common sense, they are ready to hate, fight and being manipulated by anybody. The country who used to be the spiritual guru of the world is now being held in ransom by few political thugs. Politicians care a damn about mumbai, north India, South India, or hindu, muslim or whatever, they just want to be in power.
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February 02,2010 at 01:32 AM IST
Mumbai Marathi mansanchich rahil, jase Kolkata Bangalyanche , Chennai tamilinche ahe. Mumbait Ganeshotsavach sajra hoil.
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February 02,2010 at 03:17 AM IST
do u live in Mumbai or some where else write english or dont read english newspaper!!!!!!!!!
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February 02,2010 at 08:48 AM IST
jai maharashtra...ekdum thik boltoys re!!!
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February 02,2010 at 09:16 AM IST
i feel ashamed to even say anything to tamilians now as they werent open to outsiders.. because of maharashtrians like u!
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February 02,2010 at 01:49 AM IST
For the hindus getting offended by the gunda party called shiv sena: shiv sena's name is not based on lord shiva. their shiv is taken from shivaji, the maratha king from long back. i don't know whose name shivaji was based on. maybe shiva god or his wife shivaa. actually in sanskrit, if u add an "a" it becomes feminine. in sanskrit, shiv is masculine and shiva becomes feminine the wife of shiv. english has screwed up the pronunciations. lol. Bombay should be made into a Union Territory or a State just like Goa and Diu/Daman were. That will solve most of these problems. Marathis have done diddly squat for bombay. bombay was developed by the british and further by most non-marathi people who were traders. marathi people can't trade or talk sweetly to save their lives. they are too ugly, mean minded and jealous to be happy. they are miserable most of their lives being jealous & die the same way. They belong in some tribal ghati backward village, not a modern cosmopolitan city like bombay. peter parker is a ghati. so his comment is understandable coming from a lowly existence of a ghati worm.
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Abhay Marathe
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February 02,2010 at 06:17 AM IST
Clark,
The points you made initially were worthwhile but please do not use derogatory terms for anyone. That doesn't differentiate you much from anyone. Lets give up the mentality of calling someone a ghati or a bhaiya or a gult or by some other name. All of us are people of India and these names were probably coined by politicians again for their sadistic pleasures and mileages.
I agree that making Mumbai an Union Territory might stop petty politicians from dividing up Mumbai and start the division of India.
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February 02,2010 at 06:25 AM IST
Mr.Kent u r too modern to understand the backwardness of ghatis! Make an attempt to dig ur roots and u will get the answer.
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February 02,2010 at 07:19 AM IST
It is these comments that hurt a marathi like me . I am not a shiv sainik so first half i dont comment but second half is disgusting and even though after agreeing with all other secular comments , i feel disgusted. A pakistani friend of mine in london asked me if your hindustan was ruled by mughals for large part of history how come you call it hindustan,,,The reason for this is our gandhi nehru owned delhi politics never highligted anyone else ...the saffron flag was given to india by shivaji for Hindavi swaraj and not maratha swaraj...maratha empire covered major part from punjab to tamil nadu which is never highlighted in anytext book ...according to hindu jagran manch 64 pages of ncert are develoted for articles on mughals ,,but not even six for all the other leaders.,,,jhansi ki rani ,, scindias of MP and marathis who are settled in AP , TAMIL NADU and karnataka all have integrated with local culture....these are the examples...
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February 02,2010 at 09:53 AM IST
Maamu, isko Jaadu kii jhappi kii Jaroorat hai!!!
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February 02,2010 at 10:20 AM IST
Actually in Sanskrit, masculine is Shivaha (or Shivah), written with two circles or two dots one on top of the other (like a colon)
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February 02,2010 at 02:09 AM IST
Wise men of great societies would research into the core problem of urban migration and not indulge in such shallow discussion. Surely, Delhi, Chennai won't be liking flocks of people migrated and living in shantis along the streets. Regional chuvinism is a symptome and not the cause.
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February 02,2010 at 03:50 AM IST
It will be so nice if all these politicians synergize to better lives of the people instead wasting their and people's energies on the stupid issues like language, religion, and names of the cities. It seems that this is the only way they can stay in the lime light. No wonder India is still in the third world league.
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February 02,2010 at 05:04 AM IST
And that's why your previous comment in Marathi? How shallow!
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February 02,2010 at 05:54 AM IST
Agree with Mr. Parag when he says we should not indulge in shallow discussion and study the reasons for migration to cities. Definitely there should be a check on shanties spreading acroos the cities and the government legalising them periodically. There neeed to be proper planning to ensure that the city does not burst. Only a CEO or working governor with immense power at his disposalcan do them. Should take a cue from New York city's transformation
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A lover of India
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February 02,2010 at 09:01 AM IST
Thank you, Parag, and kudos for a very sensible and studied analysis. The whole problem is that currently one must shreik boisterously and raucously in order to be heard.And it would seem that TOI blog writers are no exception. This is indeed a tragedy, because if respectable journals like TOI join ( directly or indirectly) the present cacophony which talks of silly ideas like separating Mumbai from Maharashtra, there will only be avoidable conflict.
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February 02,2010 at 02:33 AM IST
Where is the state government?They were elected to protect all the Indians in Mumbai and Maharashtra.
Either they should govern and firmly put down this madness-upheaval or resign.Its like SS and MNS is the law (lawless).Please wake up before its too late.Remember Bhindarwale and Punjab?
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February 02,2010 at 02:36 AM IST
It is infact non-maratis who made this city as cosmopolitan one. Maratis now want to eat the cake claiming that thay have made it. It is time for Central Government of India to ban these both parties, who are spreading this virus over all india, instigating other states to do the same way.
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February 02,2010 at 02:37 AM IST
chidhbaram is saying mumbai belongs to all indians.
He is not saying all the cities in indians belong to everyone.
He is not ready to part chennai to anyone except tamilians
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February 02,2010 at 02:39 AM IST
well thanx for your wonderful article but we hardly care for that Mr.saxena,its pretty much correct that Mumbai is for every indian ,but please dont forget the fact that Mumbai is for maharshtrians first likewise, the kolkata for bengalis .
And one thing i dont know why everyone is behind MNS if they are fighting for the rights of local people .Does anyone has the guts to say the same thing in South india ,why this is not being followed in Andhra,Tamilnadu,chennai.Why is is applicable for maharashtra only ?and the answer is Maharshtra have never objected of any particular caste ,community .if they had done this earlier this situation would never have occured .Nevermind now at least we can fight for our rights if they want jobs politicians from respective states should develop their states and create jobs instead of lobbying for the Northindians in Maharashtra .
This wont work now in Mumbai ,Mumbai is for Maharahstrians first and nobody could change that, people would obviously support MNS and they should support it .
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February 02,2010 at 08:26 PM IST
Marathi's, Gujrati's, Tamilian's, Punjabi's bihari's what the heck is this, reading all comments gives only one expression and that is India in NOT UNITED and China was right that they can disintegrate our nation very easily and if this the opinion of our very own Indians. When we say India then all cities, villages , towns every small particle which exist on our Nation is the property of India and not any individual. So wake guys and the Constitution of India the Judiciary should step in and declare only 5 province and get away with States which is only dividing the nation and let there be only 3 Federal Parties then only we can survive or else we will perish and only perish.
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February 02,2010 at 02:42 AM IST
The hate mongers are going to spoil such a beautiful country like India. This type of separatist mentality should be condemned and this type of people who are encouraging and inflaming the hate feelings for one another should be branded as anti Indian and should be put behind the bar rather making them leaders. If this type of mentality is not being checked then very soon India is going to be divided into many parts.
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February 02,2010 at 02:44 AM IST
the people who have made it big is because maharashtrians have accommodated all the people from india at first. Why dont everybody go to bihar or UP in search of job. Why everybody wants to come to Mumbai and pune. A honest suggestion if the north people are so clever and smart they should start develop and modernize thier own states. Dont overcrowd maharashtra.
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February 02,2010 at 02:50 AM IST
the author is misleading at best..taxis are safe? excuse me ? do these so called hard working, honest people pay tax? no they dont? who ends up providing basic amenities to them..we as marathi taxpayers do! Sexena..it is Mumbai and not bombay..we hate people like you who do not want to respect the local people..no wonder u see the result! i think I should just see where u live!
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gm
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February 02,2010 at 10:18 PM IST
Get real
1. Taxi drivers buy fuel, it is incllusive of tax
2. Taxi drivers buy food some one makes a living
3. Taxi driver pay rent to drive the cag manoos owner of the cab makes profit. Is manoos taxi owner paying income tax?
4. Taxi driver pays off the police - pocket money for manoos police
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February 02,2010 at 02:52 AM IST
Who saved Bombay from 26/11 attacks? I don't see marathi did it. NSG commandos and non-marathi forces did the job. Read the news if you have forgotten the great sacrifice of these brave men. During that time these brokers like Thakreys were no where to be found since they went into a hole to save their own lives.
Shame on you cheap politicians and selfish Marathis. I don't think we have a quality to be a super power nation. Our past 1000 years history shows who we are.
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February 02,2010 at 02:53 AM IST
Saxeena, you said taxiwallahs are the most hardworking people in Mumbai. Agreed. but does that mean they respect local culture? Working hard (although a good thing) and respecting local culture are two different things. Why doesn't any taxiwallah speak in Marathi when talked to in Marathi? Can that same taxiwallah function in Chennai without respecting Tamil? It is the big-heartedness of Marathi people that they have accepted hordes and hordes of migrants from all over for decades. But when water starts flowing over the head, the head has to rise above the water. Plus, the portuguese roots of the name Bomabay is just a theory. A stronger theory is the temple of goddess Mumba Devi (Mumba Aai). Aai means mother. Just becasue you call things a LIE, dont make it a lie. MUMBAI is a constitutionally changed name. Respect that. Your postings are usually good to read and pretty balanced. But this one reeks of your north Indian emotions being hurt by petty politicians. You have lived in the city for three years. I have lived here all my life. The once great, modern, clean and beautiful city has been reduced to one big ghetto by uncontrolled migration. There has to be a limit to this migration. Failure of north Indian states to improve their own conditions cannot be used as an excuse to allow hordes after hordes into Mumbai and to ruin Mumbai. Put yourself in the shoes of a local Marathi manoos.
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February 02,2010 at 02:55 AM IST
Ther might come a time when the developing situation might imitate J&K and the main losers will be Marathi manoos. Bombay or Maharashtra won't be as posperous as it is now without Indian support. For now Bombay might be the centre of Indian commerce. It won't be if the above mentioned were to happen. But who cares as long as Shiv Sena and their likes fill their pockets by fooling poor starving or ignorant Maharastrians.
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February 02,2010 at 03:00 AM IST
Any you guys think Pakistan is your biggest enemy? Look within your own house dear neighbours then point fingure at us. God bless!
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February 02,2010 at 03:11 AM IST
Mumbai belongs to the Marathi people. That is the bottom line. If anyone wants to come to Mumbai for work/visit they need to adapt to the culture of Maharashtra, speak Marathi, and respect the locals. If this is not acceptable one better go back to their own state.
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February 02,2010 at 03:14 AM IST
I am a tamilian who has been born and brought up in delhi . delhi is my state MINE!! . i too have a problem wen people of othr states like up or bihar come to my city and make my state dirty and indulge in crimes. i too hate it wen these people frm oth states cum here and compete fr land, traffic.job and eductional opprtunities . yes i am complaining
but unlike mns or shiv sena i will not start a hate campaign .. because i understand it is a problem of internal migration.wen agriculture fails,pple move in2 cities in search of jobs as labourers, lack of good colleges ..lack of employmnt opportunities,are other reasons
have u ever seen delhites or bangloreans complaing..?? we 2 have problems..but lets face it each state belongs to each and every indian citizen
unfortunately all that we can d is complain and blog..it all boils down 2 1 thing..unscrupulous politicians
resources need 2 b utilised in other non cosmopolitan stes, good colleges set up,industies set up
but whose listening??
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February 02,2010 at 03:18 AM IST
Being a maharastrian, why we hate the north indians is beacuse 1. UP and Biharis have a horrible attitude towards women, board a local train an you will know. 2. UP / Bihar need to develop their own state other then encroaching upon others. 3. Know ground reality, know who started the fire first, you cannot cry loud about the locals when you are an outsider, we are modest, try doing same in TN, Andhra or Karnataka, and you will know. If you think a Bihar or an UPite has built this city, the same is the reason for the high crime rate in the city. Have you visited a place known as Agra/Mathura/Patna.... well dare to live there, and then you'll know why these people migrate here. So next we Marathis will cry for Pune/Nasik/Kolhapur, and some bastard nurd blogger will write, it belongs to whole India. So cleaner places like Pune, Nashik, Kolhapur will carry a UP/Biharite stamp and call us mean minded or ugly with their big mouths. Remember the political parties like MNS and SS are born with some cause, so as how congress was born with a cause - VOTEBANK...
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February 02,2010 at 05:27 PM IST
Points 1
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What did he say, just nothing?
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To a certain extent I agree with your first 2 points.
Now I dont have a clue what you are taking in the first part of point #3, but it has happened in major cities of TN, Hyderabad and Bangalore, but since Mumbai has a smaller land area than the other south indian cities, it is more visible in Mumbai than other cities.
You said congress was born with a cause which is VOTEBANK, Brother this is big time politics, even the SS/MNS have the same cause as other political outfits VOTEBANK and more which is accumulating wealth as much as possible to thier founders and their next 14 generations, power at any cost, use of threat and dadagiri, divide and rule etc.etc., the list is long.
They care a damn about the peoples welfare or even the city or states welfare, no Marathis, No Maharashtrians and no Mumbaikars wellfare, it is just self-self-self only.
The definition of Marathi Manoos begins and ends with Balasaheb, Uddhav, Jaidev and Raj.
The definition of Amchi Mumbai is Hamari ( Balasaheb / Uddhav / Jaidev
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February 02,2010 at 03:21 AM IST
Whenever SS-MNS ignite north indian issue, I become happy to see/watch/read this episode. Now my curosity is to see tomorrow news what will be reaction of SS-MNS after Rahul, P. C., RSS, and BJP.
I am a very busy man and don't have time to do non-constructive work. I am north indian. I stay in Bombay from last 6 years. I love this city, because every one is busy in their work. I wonder what SS-MNS gundas do other than gundagardi? Seriously, I mean how they do pet-puja?
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February 02,2010 at 03:24 AM IST
It is wrong way to grow/develop a language... write good stuffs (poems/novels/etc)... so that people will try to learn marathi to read such stuffs... That should be the spirit.
Noone can save a language with idiotic approach like this... Not marathis.. there is a group to protect(?) every language
Also Beware.. MNC's no longer in love with Tier-1 cities...
If non-marathi's leave Mumbai, that is not going to help in any way... Companies/jobs will move along with them.....
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February 02,2010 at 03:25 AM IST
MSN-SS hate campaign is not for betterent of Marathi Manoos but rather their own financial interests.BY controlling Bombay thru hooliganisms SS- MNS control the extortion business in Mumbai. Without outsiders- Gujaratis, north Indians, south Indian it would only be a marathi Ghetto with the output of Mumbai "junka Bhakar and Bombils"Grow up MSN - SS. If u are right then the Australians are right also in bashing Indians.
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February 02,2010 at 03:26 AM IST
I guess we should just let bombay degrade to being the rural and underdeveloped just like the rest of Maharashtra. Spending a few days in that state and you will know how unqualified/lazy and just lame the average "Ghati" is. I am just appalled that they think they made Bombay great. The SS and MNS and all educated and literate Indians who support them need to get some semblance of reality in their lives.
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February 02,2010 at 03:29 AM IST
Why is it news only when issue for Local rights is brought up in Mumbai?
Where is the news media, when people in Assam/Punjab/Delhi complain about migrants from Bihar/UP ruining their cities and local culture?
Is it too easy to take potshots are Marathi people of Mumbai?
Those who talk about taking PSU and Bollywood out of Mumbai, please do that. They discriminate against Marathi people anyway. They could relocate them to coast along Orissa, which is in need of development against the Maoist insurgency! It is also close to booming economies of East Asia. Everyone is happy with that.
Now can we shut up and talk about fixing things like slums, water, electricity and diseases in Mumbai.
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February 02,2010 at 03:33 AM IST
mr. saxena,
it's mumbai not bombay. go give your advise elsewhere.
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February 02,2010 at 03:33 AM IST
Divide and rule....the past history of British Raj is repeating itself... this time it is by Shiv Sena, MNS Congress, etc. When will we learn to live as Indians first!!!!!!!!!!!!
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February 02,2010 at 03:33 AM IST
Dear Mr.Shobhan Saxena
Please do ot write banal school essays. Read history ptoperly and only then talk about the name MUMBAI. For your very kind information the real name of this magnificent and cosmopolitan city is MUMBAI and MUMBAI. It has come from the name of goddess "MUMBADEVI" whom the original inhabitants of MUMBAI the fisherfolks follow. So do not showoff your petty knowledge here. Also to all the other north and southindians who do not give any respect to the original inhabitants of MUMBAI please get your facts right. Just because the Sena and MNS are at loggerheads over MUMBAI all other indians do n ot have to fight and pass derogatory remarks on marathis. Maharashtrians are only following there Tamil brothers and sisters.
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February 02,2010 at 03:34 AM IST
I beg to differ on the honesty of Mumbai taxiwallahs. My father and I once took a taxi from Dadar station to Prabhadevi. The driver could not refuse because we boarded at the taxi rank supervised by a policeman. But once we left the rank he stalled the vehicle claiming it was broken. My father, knowing that the driver was doing this deliberately so that he could return to the rank for better fare (Prabhadevi being only 15 minutes away), refused to leave. He demanded that the driver fix the car himself or get some help to push it or whatever but we were not going to get out. When the driver realized that we were Marathis who were going to stick to our guns, the taxi started miraculously. No points for guessing that the driver was a bhaiyya!
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February 02,2010 at 03:37 AM IST
Im a naturalized Australian of Indian origin, an East Indian Catholic born & raised in Bandra to parents born at Marol & Malad (forget the village name on the way to Manori, next to All India Radio). People of my background are 'more Bombayite' than a lot of others in Bombay. Our origins go back well over 400 years in Bombay as I saw on my 2009 visit to the Vasai fort.
As a now- outsider, my opinion is that the problems faced by residents stem from corruption of the municipalities/pollies that sell off FSI will-nilly, without any upgrade to the infrastructure, be it water supply, drainage, power supply, quality roads. But I only visit Bombay every year for a month - yes, every year.
While India fumes over so called racist attacks on Indians here in Australia, it's quite a laugh how the political games back in my own Bombay threaten to be dividing such a wealthy city. I preach here that India's wealth & strength is its diversity; so is Bombay's. I don't want to be a lying ambassador.
Btw, on my 2009 visit, I was at Vasai station (north Bombay) (9.50am, 25th December) purchasing a ticket when someone jumped the queue to everyone's protests. This so called Marathi manoos threatened the clerk behind the counter, when told he should join the queue, with dire consequences. He then told him he needed to first learn Marathi before working there. I haven't told this to Aussies here. Should I?
Proudly, all of my in-laws are very fluent in Marathi & I insist that my wife speaks to our son in Marathi, yes, here in Australia. I have several (East Indian) Marathi CDs here & play them every Friday thro' Sunday.
Marathi is a beautiful language. Marathi is not a weapon. God bless Bombay.
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February 02,2010 at 03:37 AM IST
Man this is really pathetic that we are about to celebrate our 63rd year as an Independent country and yet we are so undivided. I can understand that people will have some loyalties to the region that he/she came from, but first show loyality to your country. If the Shiv Sena activist are able to divide Mumbai (Bombay) that we are so proud of who is to say that there is not going to be a next civil war that India will get engulfed in soon. I am proud Indian and a proud Mumbaikar but we need to stick together and try to solve issues of over crowding in a better way. Why not create a plan to eliminate the slums in Mumbai. We need to act as citizens of a united country and not act as stupid folks who the British ruled over. We talk about racism and discriminination in other Western countries but when it comes to India it is ok to discriminate based on region, caste, religion. It is high time that citizens of Mumbai wake up to the reality and unite as Indians otherwise India is staring at a nasty Civil War in the near future.
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February 02,2010 at 03:46 AM IST
We should remove the system that divides the states based on language and form all the states based on convenience to rule. I am a Maharashtrian and I don't like comments made against Marathi speaking people. Some people have wrongly suggested that Maharashtrians have no part in success of Mumbai. These people should look at their own states and tell me why those states have not done any development like Mumbai ? People from all over India are intelligent people. Problem is in the corruption in all aspects of life and the tendency of population to engage in unlawful activity. In Mumbai and Maharashtra the corruption was less compare to Bihar or U.P and there were less local Zamindar thugs with army of goons at their disposal. In Bihar and U.P the local governments were in the hands of goons. Unfortunately with the large influx of people in Mumbai, the bad elements came along with good elements and what we see is the reaction of local Marathi speaking people against this. As a Maharashtrian I think all good non-marathi speaking people should be welcomed to Mumbai. Even if you read history of Maharashtra, Chatrapati Shivaji invited all people to Maharashtra as long as they were law abiding citizens. Maharashtra was concept that was not just based on Marathi language. May god bring some sense in to the minds of people of India.
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February 02,2010 at 03:47 AM IST
Lets get some taste of history. India was a great nation. Then it became divided into big and tiny fragments. It took more than 200 years of hardwork and umpteen lives to get back to where we are right now. India is governed by a constitution not bunch of irresponsible politicians who do not do not think twice before they talk.
We are Indians and by power vested in us by the constitution and the pride we carry in our heart, we deserve to be treated same everywhere within the boundaries of our great nation INDIA. We are Indians first and that gives us the comfort and freedom to call us whatever we choose. Lets not forget that united we stand tall and proud and it would be best if we stayed like that.
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February 02,2010 at 03:49 AM IST
It is really sad to see the direction in which India is going. Instead of uniting and becoming stronger, India is busy creating new states, new religion and now ghettos within a state. The irony of the situation is that the same country made such a big fuss of racism when few Indians were attacked in Melbourne. No one talks of racism inside India when a UP candidate was killed for attending exams in Mumbai. Its an absolute shame.
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February 02,2010 at 03:54 AM IST
so mr shobhan saxena, u think u understand the whole city by just living here for 3 years... this is the problem, do u know the local culture/language/every local place in bombay ... so according to u the taxi drivers are most honest and hard working and above all they are the ones who made bombay richer, thats the joke of the millenium, DUDE GET A LIFE...Or BUZZ OFF FROM BOMBAY...
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February 02,2010 at 04:03 AM IST
All India is for ALL INDIANS...From Kashmir to Kanya kumari...Gujarat to Meghalaya. I think Politics and public both now being mature, Majority of public want now Unity and division.
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February 02,2010 at 04:05 AM IST
Come on guys!! When will we be Indian !!
When I came to California, USA, my wife didn't know English so Department of Motor Vehicle (DMV) arranged test in Hindi so she can get a driver license. It's shame that we are denying taxi permit to our own Indian.
Guys, grow up, think what politicians are doing to our country!!
Can you imaging a Mumbai without big corporates, north Indians, Gujaraties who owns most of the businesses in Mubai, Film Industries and other communities?
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February 02,2010 at 04:13 AM IST
Do the people who ask non-Marathi people to leave Mumbai have the courage to ask the non-Marathi enterprises also to get of of there? Mumbai will be zero if that happens! Dear friends, please understand that Mubai was not built by Marathis, but by the hard work of people from all over India.
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February 02,2010 at 04:22 AM IST
I lived 35 years of my life in Mumbai, I have seen racism, corruption and dominance of some few political parties. Who on the name of Marathi Manoos have tried to dominate the city but never thought for the city.
We raised our figures/ anger on the Australian Government for racism killings of Indians on their soil.
What are we doing as Indians, we have racism in our own town & state.
Lets remind the good old phrase which I learnt in school " United we stand Divided we fall".
Wake up India, you are next super power of the world.
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February 02,2010 at 04:44 AM IST
People of Maharashtra will decide the fate of Mumbai (you better call it Mumbai) and not few morons sitting in Delhi/UP/Bihar. Chatterbugs like Saxena .. plz stay out of this. If have proble with Mumbai .. No one has denied creation of new (Mumbai like) city in another state .. go back to where you came from.
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February 02,2010 at 04:46 AM IST
Truly inspiring statements Dear,,These So called Politicians of SS and MNS should be immediately Dismantled and Banned from any further functional activities and engagement just like any other Terrorist Group.They are dividing the humans,their love and Faith in Uniform Strong india....they are creating more harm than Terrorist,,,But Again who will do that coz everyone is engage in taking advantage of these stinky and purely disgusting unwanted issues which has brough our great cosmopolitan city to shame and state of Hatred.
i m a common normal indian and also desires and wish for country's overall progress...
Long live Psuedo Democracy !!Long Live our Impotent Leader and Politicians !!!YOU people can only do that,,Divide and Rule...hahahha
Amchi Mumbai !! Amchi Inidia
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February 02,2010 at 04:48 AM IST
A Good Article.....
Firstly India Needs To Change The Name From Mumbai To "BOMBAY"
We Have Lost A Lot Since The Name Has Changed To Mumbai. It Has Affected Tourism Too. How Can Some People Support Parties Like Shiv Sena & MNS....Their Goal Is To Spread Hatred & Differences. Where Were They During The 26/11 Attacks...Must Be Hiding In Their Rat Hole...
Let Us All Unite & Spread Peace...Dont Come In Talkes Of This Good-For-Nothing Politicians...They Dont Even Belong To Their Own Mother...What Will They Care About Soicety, Land & Religion.
I Have Lived My Life In "BOMBAY" & It Will Always Be "BOMBAY" For True Indian's
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February 02,2010 at 05:00 AM IST
Build hundred such Mumbais rather sinking ONE Mumbai with over population and migration. There is too much strain on the limited resources in Mumbai..India deserves hundrend such Mumbais, build it across the nation.
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February 02,2010 at 05:03 AM IST
Well.This issue is not as simple as one thinks.This is more of an economic problem like supply and demand . This problem arises whenever the demand is greater for employment for local people within the State than that can be met either by the Public Sector or Private Sector.No State can meet it fully however industrialized the State may be . People have to realize this.As such migration becomes inevitable . Maharashtrians in Maharashtra must take care to see that that their agitations with in their State should not adversely affect jobs of other Maharashtrians working in other States. But the problem is this kind of Protectionism has become the order of the day through out the Globe as the jobs are getting dried due to the present economic recession . Another very important issue worth solving immediately is how to manage ever increasing inflow of Mumbai which has exploded already.These issues have to be dealt immediately by powers that be on top priority instead of throwing mud on one political party or another .
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February 02,2010 at 05:08 AM IST
Ms Saxena,
I agree with most of your points. I am a Marathi nd I don't like this politics being played in the city I have lived my entire life.
But you can't change facts such as the original name of the city was 'Mumbai' nd not 'Bombay' it was derived from the name of koli goddess "Mumba devi" which used to be called as "Mumba aai". Aai means mother in Marathi. If you are a loyal journalist please stop giving misinformation to people.
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February 02,2010 at 05:11 AM IST
Most of the population in Mumbai consists of Marathi people and it will remain so forever despite what those who are non-marathi would say. The simple reason is geographically it is more closer to any other state than Maharashtra. MNS/SS is doing right thing by emphasizing that outsiders should adopt local language,culture and pride and keep your dirty habits outside.
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February 02,2010 at 05:17 AM IST
Bombay never "belonged" to marathi-speakiers. Originally it was East Indian (the Kolis, from Vasai etc), then it was developed commercially by Gujarati and Parsi entrepreneurs, staffed by labourers (eg Mathadis)and admin workers from all over India (including marathis from Poona, Nagpur etc.
So this unchallenged claim that Bombay was a result of the ordinary citizen of Bombay becoming cowed down by the belligerance of Shiv Sena street thugs, the corruption of the politicians and the breakdown of confidence in law and order.
As long as the local politicians continue to take short-term advantage by fanning local jingoism the problem is difficult to resolve.
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February 02,2010 at 05:32 AM IST
I am an Indian who has now settled in Australia, born to South Indian parents in Bombay. What a shame, we still fight what British taught us 'Divide and Rule'. I tend to agree to some extent that Bombay is developed due to hard work of all - not just one community, however, the Politicians who has ruled some of the Northern States i.e. Lalu from Bihar and Mayawati, spends tax payers money for their own welfare rather than its citizens have created this socio economics problems, there is no work in Bihar and UP and hence Indians come to Bombay, to gain employment to feed their families, nothing wrong with that, that is the reason I came to Australia where I can make more money and keep my family back home happy. If only there are check and balances on Politicians activities and we could see their bank balances, I guess India will prosper. Finally, India is for all Indians and not just Marathi manoos, if Marathi manoos cannot digest that, they can go and live in POK.
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February 02,2010 at 06:05 AM IST
Shobhan,
As native of Mumbai & India, I am ashamed every time I land in Mumbai in middle of slums. Countries with similar issues have in place a system where people need permit if they want to live in their premier cities (China, Indonesia for example). I have migrated since last 10 years and have a proper job & accommodation and practice my native culture and language with people of similar background at a very low profile and try to mix with the locals at every given time. The simple fact is if one has proper job, accommodation, agrees to practice their own culture low profile & interact with the locals become successful migrants. Same for me and same for people coming to Mumbai. I do not want to see the size of slums increasing each year in Mumbai by having no control on who comes to this city.
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February 02,2010 at 06:16 AM IST
I do not agree with the statement that "only the taxiwallas" are hard working and honest. Mumbai is my home and would remain to be so for ever. I have seen the transformation of mumbai from an upright, law abiding, righteous culture to deteoriating conditions today due to influx of people. Mumbai's infrastructure cannot withstand the population explosion. Every Indian citizen has a right to be in Mumbai but the government must have the foresight to do effective planning. the way things are at the present, the city is decaying with effective travel (avg) of 3 hrsto 4 hrs. I think Mumbai must be declared a State/Union territory to have effective administration and proper utilisation of the earned taxes which rightfully belongs to Mumbaikars just as any major city of the world. Time to call for separate status for Mumbai. Jai Mumbai
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February 02,2010 at 06:22 AM IST
Looks like you've just travelled in Taxi's in Mumbai for last three years and learnt to oppose the word Mumbai being in bhaiyyas company!! This is just another non-Mumbaite commenting on Mumbai. Its an absolute joke that people who have not lived in Mumbai enough know what is good and bad for the city. BTW Mumbai is marathi word comes from Mumbadevi. Its sad to see 'outsiders' in Mumbai happy to follow an English name as opposed to utter the local name and these stupid people feel proud in the fact that they don't use Mumbai just because Shivsena has made the change. Its a shame. Maharashtra doesnt belong to Shivsena or anyone. Its belongs to the people of Maharashtra.
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February 02,2010 at 06:33 AM IST
Its a disgrace for a country where citizens within a country distinguish between them... SHAME ON INDIA and the people RULING THE COUNTRY.. and SHAME on the people who make such a government.
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February 02,2010 at 06:35 AM IST
It is very strange that on one hand MNS and SS are hitting at (North)Indians in Mumbai and on other hand they want safety of Indians in Australia? What moral rights they have? I feel Indians are more safe in Australia than in Mumbai.
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February 02,2010 at 06:40 AM IST
Petty Politicians who rake up issues of localization should also try to look into what they have done for the upliftment of the local people (in Mumbai's case all Marathis and all non Marathis put together).
I have hardly read or heard of news articles which say that the Shiv Sena / MNS have started any social service venture out of their own money. For example Mr. Raj Thackeray made some 250 crores plus on a land sale recently. I would like to know how much of that money has he invested in the development of the local people. NO! I do not mean political development or spending on his political outfit, but I am talking about the upliftment of the people and society.
It is much easier to create a problem in the local society by instigating poor and local people by misleading them, but can the same politicians spend their own money for the improvement and betterment of the people. I would really like to know how much did Raj Thackeray spend out of the 250 crores plus he earned on social upliftment. Or even if someone told me how much has he invested in a non-profit social venture that does generate profits for the people but not for him. Or why doesn't someone tell me an example from Shiv Sena.
It is very easy to mislead common people and pitch them against one another. How about doing something really concrete and good for the people.
If you are so much concerned about de-congesting Mumbai, why don't you political parties put pressure on the central and state governments to develop other cities in UP, Bihar, Rajasthan, Kerala, Manipur, Orissa, etc just like Mumbai that will improve the conditions of not only Mumbai but scores of other people who have to go through this discrimination being created by Political parties.
I at least appreciate the RSS for taking up the task and asking everyone to protect the non-Marathi community in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India and rest of the world.
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Nice article from a well learned Tamilian it seems, and i do fully agree with you but the last part.
RSS asking for protection of north indians is definitely not that they care for their safety or anything but this is done with an eye on creating vote bank for their political child BJP. The history is full of incidents where the RSS has been the prime instigator and perpetrators of violent crimes against the minority population with the help of same outfits and now wants to protect the people against the same outfits. This must be a joke.
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February 02,2010 at 06:52 AM IST
Shohan Saxena seems to be proud of name given by the occupier and dictators than by the natives (Kolis) of the city based on their goddess. That’s how much he respects the local culture. India was ruled over a century because of people like Shohan Saxena who worked against their own country men in supporting the British Empire. He feigns respect for local culture but at the same time is ashamed of calling it by the name of Mumbai given by the locals. Three year implant to Mumbai is making big claims about reclaiming Mumbai but cannot even spell the name Mumbai properly. Shobhan Saxena, first learn the language of your MASTERS properly then write these stupid blogs. Mumbai is for all people of India but trashing the local culture and spewing racism against local population is not the way to do things. Mumbai became financial capital of India because the government of Maharashtra encouraged business by pro business policies, provided safe environment, decent infrastructure and ensured property rights while other states turned to socialism. Message this whole episode sends to other states is that if you develop your state then we will come and trash you and claim every thing. That is a nice message to send. No wonder Goa decided against special economic zones because of this same fear and more states will do it. If you believe in this fundamental right of Indian living any where in country go fight for this right in Kashmir. Article 370 of Indian constitution gives Jammu and Kashmir special status and makes it country within country. Indian citizens from other states are not allowed to hold property their. Jammu and Kashmir has its own laws of citizenship different from Indian laws. If you really believe what you say go fight for that right. We need people like you to fight for the unity of country instead of wasting your time writing blogs.
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Absolutely perfect. I have asked Mr Shobhan to accompany me to Kashmir and Hoist our National Flag in Lal Chowk!
And I am damn sure coward like him will never come.. He will soon find another rubish and blog it with his photo showing his back side this time..
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February 02,2010 at 06:52 AM IST
It's sometimes sad to hear how we are still divided ...iwish if we can stop cursing our Hindustanis and take the example of USA where newyork Los Angeles Miami or any other cities are for all no matter you are American or not please think and act wise
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February 02,2010 at 06:52 AM IST
Shobhan Saxena - nice article...totally agree with you...even few days back i was also thinking that we need visa to enter mumbai..... btw Bombay is 1000 times better then Mumbai.
Suvesh Mathur
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February 02,2010 at 06:53 AM IST
Shiv Sena played a positive role to clean up the underground lorded by Dawood Ibrahim and other gangs which had become intertwined with ISI. They did make Mumbai and her slums a safer place.
This safety from Islamic terror came at a price and due to change in strategy by ISI, no more safeguarding. And there is also an inevitable patronage-extraction racket.
Cleaning up such underground forces and providing better civic law and order is surely what the politics of Development about and to which the new BJP Prez has committed the party. Hence perhaps the impetus providing to this pressure on Shiv Sena.
Condemning Shiv Sena as thugs is a perspective which is counter productive. As better put in Hindi, Jab shakti ko sarthkata diya jaata hain, tabhi vah kaboo hoti hain. Else it morphs into something with unforseen consequences and becomes a lossy venture.
We need more pragmatic administrative approaches to neutralising the baneful influence of parochialism which under no cicumstances encroaches upon regional Maratha pride.
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February 02,2010 at 07:03 AM IST
First they came for South Indians and I did not do anything because I was not a South Indian. Then they came for the Gujratis and I did not do anything because I was not a Gujrati, then they came for Muslims and I did not do anything because I was not a muslim. Then they came for me and there was no one to stand for me.
With apologies to Martin Niemöller
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February 02,2010 at 07:06 AM IST
Well the question of ShivSena or MNS is not the argument here. Obviously whatever is being propogated in the name of Marathi is just to keep the party in the news all the time. But yes I agree that if you go to other states, the local language there is the language of the state. Like if you go to Bangalore, most of them speak Tamil. If you go to Chennai, they are encouraged to speak in Tamil.If you go to Hyderabad, people speak in Telugu or whichever language is more predominant to that state.Also in Chennai, Bangalore, Andhra, Calcutta you will not find as many people who are from other states like in Mumbai.I disagree with one more fact that hardworking people in Mumbai are taxiwalas and that too from UP. I have stayed in Mumbai for almost 30 years of my life. Agree that majority of them are UP's and they are big time thugs too...Anybody who has come to earn a living has the right to settle anywhere in India if he is an Indian. I am not agitated by the fact that Marathi is being propogated as a language.I think it's right to use the language of the state as primary language. I am agitated that it is being used as a medium for certain parties to be in the news and propogate their hidden agendas through that medium.
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February 02,2010 at 07:19 AM IST
I actually have some contrasting thoughts on this topic. Yes, each and every city in India should be open to Indians from other states, in every which way. However there is definitely something to be said for the concept of cultural integrity and respect. There’s a reason why delhi has that strong hindi stamp, Kolkata has a very firm Bengali flavour, and Chennai has an entrenched tamil culture. Outsiders in any of tese 3 cities will soon find that they better learn some of the local lingo to get by. Why is it then that Mumbai and Bangalore do not seem to echo the same cultural and linguistic stickiness?? IS it because of the relatively higher cosmopolitineness and multi-culturality of these two cities??? Or is the multi-culturality because of the relative openness of the indigenous population??
Case in point – Mumbai has got entire genartions of non-marathi people at every rung of society, who do not diaply any affinity whatsoever to develop some familiarity with the local language and indigenous culture. Is this to be lamented?? Or is it a symbol of mumbai’s cosmopolitan essence?? I’m not marathi, but I cant help feel that many maharashtrians, across all demographics and social strata, must be feeling a tinge of regret that marathi for pretty much all the non-marathi mumbaikars (and that’s almost 40% of Mumbai) has become just a language to use with the servants and govt officials !!! Not quite the same in Kolkata, Chennai.
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February 02,2010 at 07:20 AM IST
jeez.. pretty pathetic!! we are blaming our politicians for all the divide & rule policies, the don't give a damn attitude, crassness etc. but this blog discussion is no better... why is it so hard to be positive human beings?
Lord forbid, if there is ever a major natural calamity in Bombay, the population would have to move to other states, even if temporarily.. who do u think is going to welcome the 'Mumbai manoos' then?
& nobody is stopping the Marathi's from going to the other states... so why can't all Indians come to Bomay? Feel proud of what u have.. don't mess it up. & YES the fact is that other communities have done more for Bombay than marathi manoos themselves; the Parsi community is one of the prime examples!! If we as Baombayites have any decency, acknowledge that & help all.
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February 02,2010 at 07:39 AM IST
if we start dividing the states then india wouldn't be india...it will bunch of states struggling to survive. i am NRI so i don't have any funda with marathi's or biharis or anyone else but its disgusting to see that India can so easily be divided again and we haven't learnt anything from history. Just remember that Mumbai will not survive alone if it wasn't part of India (same goes with Chennai or Punjab or any other stat)BUT India can survive without Mumbai. Shiv Sena or any other hooligans claiming to be true sons of Mumbai should have a good look at themselves and answer us all that where were they when 26/11 happened. It was the commandoes of Indian Army who saved the city from further embarrassment and some of them died doing this deed. I know that Shiv Sena wale were not to be seen b'se those cowards were hiding in their bomb shelters letting Mumbai been terrorised. I can't believe the marathi's talking about claiming mumbai - its part of India so get over it. I am sure that there are lot of marathi's who are probably sick of shiv sena terrorising mumbai ppl. what makes mumbai one of the best cities in the world is that DIVERSITY and the UNITY that they show whenever mumbai is hit with any problem time and time again. WAKE UP INDIA and fight against these hooligans who think that they can control everyone in the name of religon, caste or color of the skins. I can't believe that we call Australians or any other foreigners racist when racism is been promoted in one of India's top city. I hope sanity prevails and real mumbai wale unite again to show the world that it is the best city in the world. CHAKDE INDIA!!!
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February 02,2010 at 07:40 AM IST
This is again a BS. The blogger has started a new hate politics to renaming Mumbai to Bombay. His limited knowledge being the reason being this. This is just going to add fuel to fire. Marathis are peace loving but some UPwalla coming in and trying to forcefully change the name or even suggest some crap will not be tolerated. I agree SS has gone to an extreme but looks like people like Shoban saxena deserve such kind of treatment.
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February 02,2010 at 07:41 AM IST
Truly well said, calling a Spade a Spade and nothing else, it's high time "BOMBAY" was reclaimed from these goons.
Having been Born and brought up in Bombay, it irks me to see how we have let these goons manipulate ignorant folks, to further their selfish gains.
Hopefully this will set off a revolution in improving our lot.
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February 02,2010 at 07:43 AM IST
To the Tamils criticising the Shiva Sena, MNS,etc..look in your own backyard first.People from Chennai are extremely hostile to those who do not speak Tamil.Same is the case in "Kolkata".If you get into a quarrel with a rickshaw driver in Bangalore, you are done for unless you know Kannada.But this is never in the news.Everyone wants to be in Mumbai because it is so prosperous.The other states in India have been exporting their problems to Maharashtra for a long time - mainly to Mumbai and now even to Pune.Why don't the people from Bihar, UP, Kerala, TN, etc stay back and make their own states more prosperous than Mumbai or Maharashtra ? They should ask this question to themselves first before behaving like a lynch mob to news and blogs in the media.Other states have more corrupt and criminal politicians than Maharashtra.Don't vote for them instead of criticising Shiv Sena,MNS or even Congress for that matter.
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Excuse me. Give me a Break. Who are you fooling.You say Tamilians are hostile and you cant live in Bangalore if you dont speak Kannada, where did you get this idea from.
FYI from time immemorial Chennai has been home to many who hail from different parts of India, Malayalis, Andhraites, Gujjus, Marwaris, Punjabi's, Sindhis etc. slightly behind Mumbai in many things. To survive in Chennai you need a bit of tamil / urdu / english / hindi / telugu / malyalam thats it, depending on the area you live or work, this is as good as any other cosmo city. Now if you talk about Hindi which is being forced upon others, thats not going to happen because of 2 reasons, one is nothing can be forced upon, which includes learning any language, second is that basically there are 2 root languages, Dravid and Sanskrit. It is easy for any one to learn a language which is derived from the same root language, since Hindi is not from the same root language as Tamil, and the script is totally different so learning is difficult, now even that is going away. When Tamilians go to other parts of India they do learn new languages as they need, then why insist thrusting Hindi upon others in Tamil Nadu and why cant others learn the language of the state they move. it works both ways.
Tamil Nadu is prosperous too and its major cities host many people from other states, as much as Mumbai does maybe a little less, the reason being Mumbai's strategic location on the west coast and the focus of government during the earlier days in developing and projecting Mumbai as its financial capital, but never the less Chennai and other major cities in Tamilnadu have its share of providing livelihood to others due to its strategic location on the eastcoast, and in recent times Bangalore and Hyderabad are providing livelihood to others.
Now the most important point is India is a free country and has given constitutional rights to citizens which includes living and working, so it is unconstitutional to go against
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February 02,2010 at 07:53 AM IST
Mr. Saxena, you are the biggest liar. The city was called Mumbai before the portuguese came. It is named after the Mumba Devi. Check the history. The local language is Marathi and will remain Marathi. The second lie is that the North Indians respect local culture. I will show you thousands and thousand ( may be lakhs) of north Indians living in Mumbai for 10, 15, 20 years or even more who can't speak a word of Marathi. Stop your lies. I will show you North Indians living in Pune for more than 30 years who can't speak a word of Marathi. Wanna bet? You have lived in Mumbai for 3 years. I have lived for 25. Don't tell me lies. Keep your hands-off Mumbai. Don't call it Bombay. The democratically elected government of Maharashtra changed its name. Respect that. Your usage of word Bombay shows me how much respect you have for the local culture. It is a dangerous move, you know what the consequences are.
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February 02,2010 at 07:53 AM IST
Call Mumbai first not Bombay...can U say Madras instead of Chennai in your blog...then why you are calling Bombay...this type of person should be ban from public appearance..
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February 02,2010 at 07:54 AM IST
You are trying to save Bombay now. Where were you when they changed Bombay to Mumbai, Where were you when they made all the paper work into Marathi, where were you when they changed the signs to Marathi. Where were you and the other Bombay lover when the destruction started. I know where i was i left that dame place because i knew Indian politicians and people did not care as long as they got what they wanted out it.
Sorry sir the bus has left it has no brakes and i am waiting for the crash and waiting to enjoy the Marathi manoos failure.
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February 02,2010 at 07:57 AM IST
Who is this dude Saxena ? He has lived in Mumbai for 3 years. What does he know? We have lived in the city for generations. Get the hell out of here you Bihari. Go back to Lalu land where you came from and don't make a mess here.
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February 02,2010 at 07:57 AM IST
Most disgusting block I ever seen..I think TOI want to loose their market share to DNA ans other papers, by giving space to such foolish people....Best Luck TOI..
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February 02,2010 at 08:03 AM IST
I am fully agreed with Shobhan, if so called marathi well wishers want good for marathi manoos then why dont they raise issue for poor marathi farmers who commit suicide. I never heard that in Mumbai anybody did that due to thier problems caused by North Indians.
In mumbai they are behaving like Australians, as they are doing with Indians. No one can justify this act. not SS neither MNS.
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February 02,2010 at 08:04 AM IST
Saxena, don't you even think about changing name to Bombay again. We will kick your *** out of here. Along with you, all the north Indians in the other parts of Maharshtra will be kicked out too.
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February 02,2010 at 08:04 AM IST
Reclaim Mumbai from Maharashtra? The author is out of mind.
The author need to read history first. Even the oldest 150 yr old Gujrathi news paper call the city by name Mumbai.
The time scale he used is applicable to North India too, All the north India was under Mugal rule. Which was pure Islamic kingdom.
By the way, UK stopped issuing visa to North Indians.
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February 02,2010 at 08:05 AM IST
Changing the name back to Bombay may start riots. Saxena, are you ready for that?
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February 02,2010 at 08:09 AM IST
North Indians don't respect local culture. That's a truth you can't deny. Ask any Marathi, Gujarati, Bengali, Punjabi person living in these states. North Indians do not assimilate in the local culture. They try to impose their language and culture on the local people. I know many North Indians living in Gujarat for years who can't speak 4 sentences in Gujarati. I support Shivsena/MNS.
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February 02,2010 at 08:14 AM IST
Mumbai is going to be a Singapore like entity. Viva sena Viva Thakeray
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February 02,2010 at 08:17 AM IST
Come on Maharshtrians. Wake up. This Bhaiyya is taking our Mumbai away from us. The Mumbai for which 105 Maharashtrians spilled their blood 50 years ago. This guy has lived there for 3 years and has a nerve to write this kind of an article. Wake up and be prepared to fight. Today it is Mumbai. These Bhaiyyas are migrating to all parts of Maharashtra by thousands every day. Tomorrow they will take away Pune and Nashik. Stop his lies. Give a fitting reply. He claims the name was Bombay to begin with. Tell him the truth. It was Mumbai and will remain Mumbai forever. Ask any Bhaiyya a simple question in Marathi and see if he can answer. That will show how much respect they have for our culture. It is a time to do or die.
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Then better die. No one needs you, and people like your mentality. Be Indian first.
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February 02,2010 at 08:20 AM IST
a running tap and a filled bucket; what happens? The fact remains : mumbai is overflowing ..to b honest there is no grudge in Common Marathi Manoos for or against north Indians or any other caste/religion..its just that mumbai has turned into a mess...Mumbai just needs a lot more discipline in order to improve..
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February 02,2010 at 08:37 AM IST
Yes it is true that Bombay must be reclaimed now or it will too late to get it back.
I stay in HK i know what overseas people think about Bombay. Till 5 years back we proudly use to tell local people in HK that only Bombay is the city in India which will be able to take up the challenge from Shanghai in China but now it has become reverse. They reply us back that Bombay being the part of India and Indians themselves are not safe there how can you think of competeting with Shanghai. This we ourselves find is true the safety of the local residents and tourist is the first priority of the city and if this is not there it has no means.
What were these Shiv Sainiks/MNS workers or NCP people were doing sleeping in there rooms when there was a terror attack on Mumbai the national army (i.e. the Indian Army) came for the rescue. Local Police alone was helpless they had already suffered with the lost of lifes of many Police Personels.
Inspite of this I was sorry to see the results of the Local state elections. Parties like NCP, MNS & Shiv Sena are still getting seats. These parties who do not have any agenda accept to create hatred and disbalance in the society are still being voted by the people. Really now the time has come for Indians they have to be very careful to use there power of Voting. Secondly specially for Local people of Maharastra they have to think if Country India is not there where will be Maharastra. If no Maharastra there will be no NCP, No MNS, & No Shiv Sena hence they should think before voting that the parties or persons who are at there Mercy what good they will do for them or what favour they will do to them.
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It's easy to what you are saying sitting in HK. If you are so eager to help Mumbai then why don't you return and join politics or our security system to help city secure and prosper. Just because you can't face your Chinese friends you are giving suggestions.
Political parties don't go out and fight terrorists. Ask your Chinese friends if their local people go and fight goons and terrorists?
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February 02,2010 at 08:40 AM IST
Utterly stupid article ! North Indians are most honest and hard working ??? Why they then not work in their own state for its upliftment ???? Why is it still poor and corrupt??? Why is there so much crime?? North Indians have difficulty in speaking fluent english, not that they are historically more aware of Mumbai and its different names. Marathi manoos has always related Bombay as Mumbai, and its name is derived from the holy goddess Mumba devi. Please get your facts right Mr Saxena. I am not against a person traveling to another state for his bread and butter, but while doing so, he should respect the law of the land, rather than abusing it.
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February 02,2010 at 08:42 AM IST
Can anyone answer one question - Why cant they go to Chennai and force the politicians or the local people there to speak in Hindi ? Has any of your great politicians of UP and Bihar the guts to do that > No way, they are small ants trying to get into every place they can and be away fro places where they will be trounced. Marathi people have been more than friendly to allow these hoodlums into the city and now they want to rule it like Patna and Kanpur.Now the patience of local marathi people has waned and they have seen enough of nonsense. So either learn Marathi and stay or go back to the jungle you came from.
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What language you use for certain community? What kind of culture you have? Nobody behaves the way you all Marathis behave. I have been to south India; I have been to other parts of India, but nobody is like you all or speaks like you. Even in Tamil Nadu people are eager to learn Hindi and regret that Hindi is not included in their academics. They use to come to me to learn Hindi after our office hours. You are living in a myth. And why do you want everyone from outside Maharashtra to learn Marathi? You all who belong to Maharashtra know the language that’s enough. Everyone has their own regional language and they know it. Apart from that they know hindi or English. If you don’t like Hindi speak in English with outsiders. Why forcing them to learn Marathi? Nobody forced you to learn Hindi. OK. If you don’t want to learn it, remove it from your academics like Tamils, as simple as that. Don’t yell or shout unnecessarily. For your kind information Hindi is not the regional language of any state. Each state has their own language. Even UP and Bihar has Bhojpuri and Maithili as their native language.
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February 02,2010 at 08:47 AM IST
Shobhan Saxena, you worry about Laluland. You have been living in Mumbai for 3 years and you want the name changed to Bombay. You have probably lived in Laluland for 30 years. Just try to reclaim all the jobs that you have lost to other states. If you did that, All the Biharis and UP wallahas will go back to their state and the problem will be solved. Trying to change the name will create more problems. Stay in your house and sort out your family problems. Don't come in our backyard and don't create problems for us.
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February 02,2010 at 08:48 AM IST
mr saxena u are an idiot go back n check virar n nallasopara airport rd people take under the flyover u idiot check reality dont check south mumbai
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February 02,2010 at 08:49 AM IST
Saxena: Why don't you start a blog about creating jobs in Bihar? If jobs are created in Bihar, problems in Mumbai will get resolved automatically.
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February 02,2010 at 08:52 AM IST
Shobhan , first let me tell you that I have not only a cosmopolitan, but an international family. But I think many like you are committing the blunder of not understanding and appreciating genuine love for one's own culture, and in response rushing into quixotic ideas like reclaiming Mumbai.There is nothing wrong in maharashtrians having a special love for Mumbai, (and not Bombay ,surely you should have the elementary grace to write correctly). Please recollect that when the agitation for Samyukta Maharashtra started in the late fifties, some foolish people thought of separating Mumbai from the proposed state of Maharashtra, and many maharashtrians recollect that averted insult to Maharshtra's culture and ethos even today.It is as senseless as saying, Reclaim Calcutta from West Bengal, or reclaim Madras from Tamilnadu.Please accept historical facts instead of stirring hornet's nest, and that too, for a meaningless cause. No sensible person in Maharashtra wants to drive away non maharshtrians, it is only a few hot headed political bigots who say that, BUT the more people like you indulge into the absurd talk of reclaiming Bombay, the greater support these hot headed fellows will have.A plural society like ours has to walk a delicate balance between respecting local people's sentiments, and keeping intact our strong fiber of national unity. India's integrity and unity is getting ruined not only by narrow minded people, but also by zealots of the extreme opposite type, who fail to recognize and empathize with genuine and sensitive regional aspirations.The hate politics that you talk of has been fanned as much by irresponsible talk from people like you, as by chauvinism of the other camp.Both,in their own way, are damaging our national identity.
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February 02,2010 at 08:55 AM IST
To all North Indians and Sena Bashers: Why don't you talk about creating jobs in UP and Bihar ? Problem started when people from UP and Bihar started migrating by thousands and millions to other states. Instead of wasting your time in abusing Sena and Marathi people, why don't you ask Lalu, Mulayam and Mayawati to get rid of caste based politics and concentrate on development? You are aware of your constituitional right to work anywhere in India. How about your responsibilities? The root cause is the economic problem in UP and Bihar. It is menifesting as a social problem somewhere else.
How many of you will like if people from other states migrate to your state in such numbers that you can't speak your local language?
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February 02,2010 at 08:55 AM IST
Indians are the biggest racists in the world - they only know how to discriminate - whether it's caste, religion, color or now region.
These cheap sentiments shouldn't had arised at all, it's against the constitional rights - right to equality and right to freedom (every citizen is free to live and work in any place of India). Or do these idiots think Mumbai is outside India?
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February 02,2010 at 08:58 AM IST
I regret that I am breaking my oath of never to comment on anything printed in this cowardice of a newspaper that is TOI but some of these writers are getting on my nerve now.
First of all, IT IS MUMBAI...FACE IT..MUMBAI..
this deliberate use of the B word is just one of the examples of arrogance of people from certain class. All the other issues raised by MNS/SS aside, why people cant respect the preferences of locals is the question to answer. Anyway, undemocratic stand of MNS/SS has given people a ready made mask to hide many ineptitudes of certain states. so keep building on it. But Dream on about your BOMBAY..because it ain't happening.
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February 02,2010 at 08:59 AM IST
Saxena, you Bihari Liar:
Here is the truth:
The name Mumbai is an eponym, etymologically derived from Mumba or Maha-Amba—the name of the Koli goddess Mumbadevi—and Aai, "mother" in Marathi. The former name Bombay had its origins in the 16th century when the Portuguese arrived in the area and called it by various names, which finally took the written form Bombaim, still common in current Portuguese use. After the British gained possession of the city in the 17th century, it was believed to be anglicised to Bombay from the Portuguese Bombaim. The city was known as Mumbai or Mambai to Marathi and Gujarati-speakers.
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February 02,2010 at 09:01 AM IST
Problem is India do not have political and social identity. Only way to do is declare Dharmic state of 4 Vedic roots religion with Father Hinduism and children Jainism, Buddism and Sikhism. At the same time respect the minorities of Islam and Christian and Judaism and Zorastrainism becaue they are people of same genes with only different religion adoted from foreign invaders. And then we all have something in common and somewhere fight ends.
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February 02,2010 at 09:02 AM IST
Why Marathis want to come and die in BOMBAY, they have the whole of Mahrashtra to F#@$ with. I think they should look at developing other cities in Maharashtra, and happily leave and die there and leave BOMBAY for all of INDIANS.
What is thier contributions in developing BOMBAY? Zero, the only thing they produce is paan & tamabku, and paint the government buildings red. Or they want to put up zunka bhakhar stall, and sell chinese food in them. Has anybody asked the Thackery's what is thier source of income, or how is Manohar joshi a multi millionare today. They suck the income from BOMBAYITES.
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February 11,2010 at 01:11 AM IST
What mhaharashtrians have done for mumbai?WE agri kolis r original ihabitants of mumbai
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February 02,2010 at 09:07 AM IST
If I remember correctly, Prime Minister Singh promised to transform Mumbai into a city better than Shanghai. That promise was made FIVE YEARS ago. It's funny that this is rarely mentioned today. Have we given up on this goal?!
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February 02,2010 at 01:39 PM IST
You are right, but the issue is to make Bombay or Mumbai better than Shanghai we need ambitious, enterprising, innovative, hardworking and disciplined people, they may be politicians, local population who form the core of the development activities and the entrepreneurs who put their money into creating new industries and the government who invests and encourage by creating infrastructure etc.
But when you have politicians like these whose business is votes, whose ambition is power at any cost, and creating an environment of hate, divide and rule, the local population who get fooled time and again by these politicans and fight over trivilous things where is chance for Mr Singh to fulfill his dream.
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February 02,2010 at 09:14 AM IST
The anti-north indian tirade of the SS/MNS combine is an eye opener. When in the '60s and '70s the SS attacked south Indians, the north Indians did not even raise their little finger against it, or even murmur a protest. Now that the northerners are facing the music they have time to introspect their passivity in the yesteryears. The moral of the story is that when an issue like this crops up, all Indians regardless of their differences must vehementally oppose the sinister moves of chauvanists; then we can have greater strength to fight and win over social and political evils like this.
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February 02,2010 at 09:15 AM IST
Marathi manoos have no entrepreneurs & would have been either farming or sitting in govt offices. West Bengal was the most industrialised state after independence- today it has nothing. Maharashtra too can crumble if this arrogance continues and Bombay can be made a Union territory. This is a good opportunity for other states to use this excuse to divert investment away from Bombay
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February 02,2010 at 09:17 AM IST
Mr Saxena,
I have been in Bombay (now Mumbai) for a long time too. I definitely agree that the taxiwalas and the Autowalas in mumbai are the best and honest. You feel very safe to travel with them. But having said that, nowadays most people who come from North india to Mumbai, particularly from U.P and Bihar , and who start driving taxis and autos are rogues and criminals. They will never go by meter rates and will take more than 3 people in a auto. In fact i have heard from my mumbai friends that they have started forming gangs and robbing people who travel at night. Though not that all U.P and Bihar people are corrupt, but the criminals from the states, that is totally lawless and corrupt, come to mumbai and spread the culture of lawlessness here. That is precisely why Delhi is totally lawless. And if there is survey as to which community has least respect for women, the north indians will win by a handsome margin.
While mumbai was definitely not built by the marathis alone. It is today because of the hardwork and dedication of communities from Gujjus,Parsis,Marathis,South indians and North indians. In all these communities, people have been from all faiths viz., Hindu,Muslims,Catholics and Sikhs. So Mr Saxena, to answer your blog, working late hours and robbing is not hard work. Not following the rules while driving taxis and cabs is not hard work. Misbehaving with women or passing comments at them is not considered hardwork. So apart from them, i am totally in agreement that Mumbai is for all but there should be way to throw away the criminal elements, most of who come from UP and Bihars and who make Mumbai as their homes even if they "work hard" in the sense Mr Saxena is described.
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February 02,2010 at 02:11 PM IST
A beautifully well thought of and well written reply. You are right.I agree with all you have said. No city or even country can be created by a few people, it is always a collective effort, even the independence of India cannot be attributed to a few individuals, it is definitely a collecltive effort, vision and sacrifice.
You should eradicate criminals who ever they are and whatever professions they are in, including our so called esteemed politicians not just taxiwallahs or thelawallahs.
In an earlier comment someone mentioned that this tirade of hate and jealousy started by SS during the 60's and 70's against Tamilians and slowly spread to other South Indians, nobody took this issue then, just like the ruling elite of India which considers India as only the Hindi heartland states during the earlier days after Independence until the late K.Kamaraj became the CM and a national figure in politics, only then the voice of South Indians start getting heard.
As he has rightly pointed out now the N.Indians are starting to feel the pinch because they are being hurt now.
The tirade started by SS earlier was even against the Gujjus, Sindhis and Marwaris but that did not sustain for long because of the power of money.
My request to my Marathi Brothers/Sisters is to wake up, open your mind and conscience, start getting educated and become competitive and become contributors in your own right and close your eyes and ears to these politicians whose agenda is nothing but power, fame and money at any cost. Nobody is more interested in you than yourself and nobody cares more about you than yourself. So this is high time, get your rightful share and make your future bright and fruitful.
Remember this phrase, and ask yourself "when others can do it and become successful in our state and city, why can't we the Maharashtrians"?
God bless India - Indians and Maharashtrians.
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February 02,2010 at 09:20 AM IST
wat happened to shiv sena and u folks when taj was on fire.. everybody was hiding somewhere and out comes the rat now..
I n fact, so many of my state people feel its right wat they are doing.. unless they change the mindset nothing can happen.. its our state and if people have turned hostile with watever reason it wont bloom.. same happend to pune.. and same is going to happen to mumbai..
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February 02,2010 at 09:21 AM IST
Marathi manoos have no entrepreneurs & would have been either farming or sitting in govt offices. West Bengal was the most industrialised state after independence- today it has nothing. Maharashtra too can crumble if this arrogance continues and Bombay can be made a Union territory. This is a good opportunity for other states to use this excuse to divert investment away from Bombay
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February 02,2010 at 09:24 AM IST
I love this page!!! The Quaid-e-Azam had the foresight to see this in 1947. What a leader he was!!! Mr. Shobhan Saxena is welcome to Karachi, a true cosmopolitan city.
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February 02,2010 at 09:29 AM IST
Thank you, Shobhan Saxena.By writing this blog you shall convince all maharshtrians that some people are out to separate Mumbai from Maharshtra. By one stroke of pen, you have attained what I probably would have done with a dozen speeches form Shivaji Park
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February 02,2010 at 03:15 PM IST
Mr. Thackeray, what you are really upto is alienating Maharashtra, and Mumbai from India. I do not completely agree with Mr. Saxena. But surely it is people like Mr. Raj Thackeray, people should beware of.
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February 02,2010 at 10:59 AM IST
TAMILNADU ( TAMLISTAN ) MAHARASHTRA ( MARATHISTAN ) ALREADY WE ARE FACING THE PROBLEM FROM PAKISTAN now these 2 more country we are devloping GOOD GOING INDIA
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February 02,2010 at 11:02 AM IST
How's ur wife Raj? Still with u? Or with Mama?
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February 02,2010 at 12:38 PM IST
Dear Mr Raj
If Sharukh wants Pakistan players play in IPL and India no problem , First let us take Sharukhan , Amir Khan and the Pakistan Team to hoist a Indian Tricolour in Lal Chowk in Kashmir.... If they do it then we should allow them.
Vishwesh
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February 02,2010 at 08:24 PM IST
Hi Raj, you should have replied in Marathi only!
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February 03,2010 at 07:09 AM IST
Mr. Thackeray, citizens like you, who needs Enemy. You are Rawan disguised as Raam, working to create unrest and devide India in to 1000 kingdoms. Your only interest is make money, brain wash people, play with their centiments and rule. Goons like you and your uncle should be put away and burried along with your followers so people in BOMBAY have peaceful life. As an NRI, I am disgusted with people like you. Look what is happening in Austarlia!! Indians are targeted same as in Bombay. You hate mongers should be put away for good along with other terrorists.
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February 02,2010 at 09:38 AM IST
The author is not telling the truth.
This whole theory of "Bombay" originating from some Portuguese word is BULLSHIT designed to please the "hate Marathi" wallahs. Everyone knows that even before the Portuguese or whoever, the Marathi Kolis were the original community when Mumbai was nothing but a collection of fishing villages.
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February 02,2010 at 02:19 PM IST
Very true, the portuguese thing is of recent history.
My question is where are the original inhabitants of this land - the KOLIS ? Are they getting their fare share of the richness of Mumbai. Can somebody name a few of them who are holding positions in government, private sector, politics, or in any field.
And if the answer is no or maybe very few, then the next question will be why not ponder over their future and prosperity rather than being selfish.
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February 02,2010 at 09:49 AM IST
Why Marathis want to come and die in BOMBAY, they have the whole of Mahrashtra to F#@$ with. I think they should look at developing other cities in Maharashtra, and happily leave and die there and leave BOMBAY for all of INDIANS.
What is thier contributions in developing BOMBAY? Zero, the only thing they produce is paan & tamabku, and paint the government buildings red. Or they want to put up zunka bhakhar stall, and sell chinese food in them. Has anybody asked the Thackery's what is thier source of income, or how is Manohar joshi a multi millionare today. They suck the income from BOMBAYITES.
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February 08,2010 at 05:14 PM IST
Ae Bhaiyya, chup bais. Kute hai re tu.
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February 02,2010 at 09:51 AM IST
Dude, Mr. Saxena, its not Bombay, its Mumbai......first respect the sentiments of marathi ppl here, then expect sympathy from us............
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February 02,2010 at 10:25 AM IST
Dude Mangesh Sakhalkar,
No one is expecting nor in need of your sympathy.
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February 02,2010 at 11:02 AM IST
Then why the hell are you asking us to recognise the cough "hard working" North Indians
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February 08,2010 at 05:23 PM IST
Then how do you expect to that you come/stay in our house. it is the kindness of marathi people, that they have accepted poor people like you for last 60 years, for marathi people kindness marathi people have to suffer now. but now they have realised this and like mughals, protugese and britisher(parkiya) you are also parprantiya. Some day you non-maharashtrian have to go back where you came from.
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February 02,2010 at 10:53 AM IST
Bombay Bombay Bombay kya kar lega....
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February 02,2010 at 11:18 AM IST
I was born in Bombay and I will call it Bombay till I die. You can't stop me.
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February 02,2010 at 08:27 PM IST
Hey Dude, I simply love to call it BOMBAY.... any problem?????
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February 02,2010 at 09:57 AM IST
Its such a shame after reading this article.The writer is so fond of British and portuguese that he has forget his own roots.I am here In USA and people are so proud of themselves and names of there places as their own and what are we doing jus follow the British agenda which they wanted blindly.The name Mumbai comes from Mumba-(Maa Amba the goddess of koli,s )Aai-(means mother in marathi)Please have some pride in our own names n tradition and history which western world is very much of their own history ....
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February 02,2010 at 10:11 AM IST
Sleep India Sleep! The rats of politics will sell your motherland for the their own comfort, they will devour your motherland into pieces like hungry wolves, they will rape your motherland like desperate perverts and people of India will sleep. We will stay in our euphoria of "growing nation". We will stay busy in drunken state and in debate of who is the best cricketer in the world. No body will ever pay attention to their motherland.. Sleep India Sleep India
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February 02,2010 at 10:15 AM IST
love the title.
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February 02,2010 at 10:16 AM IST
Clark Kent:
Your rant is TOTALLY PATHETIC. Your anti-Marathi comments are in fact are no different than what Shiv Sena and MNS say against "bhaiyyas".
If you have a human sized brain and at least some awareness of places outside of Mumbai, you will realize that Maharashtra (OUTSIDE OF MUMBAI where 90% people are Marathis) has some of the best educational institutes and a LARGE EDUCATED MARATHI MIDDLE CLASS that enjoys a MUCH BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE, BETTER HEALTH THAN YOUR supposedly "modern" "cosmpolitan" bombaywallahs..let alone UP and Bihar. 90% of your lovely Bombaywallahs HAVE TO LITERALLY WALK THROUGH HUMAN SHIT EVERYDAY TO GET TO THEIR WORKPLACE. SINCE YOU TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN BASHING MARATHIS, BEAR IN MIND THAT YET NOT ONE OF YOUr SUPPOSSEDLY MODERN NON-MARATHIS HAVE THE BALLS OR THE VISION TO CLEAN THE SHIT AND BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR STOP THE UNCONTROLLED MIGRATION.
YET ALL you can say in response to MNS and Shiv Sena is disgusting rant against Marathis.
And since you are busy giving credit to non-Marathis for Mumbai's development, do remind yourself that Mumbai IS NOT the city of innnovation. Most foreigners are IN FACT DISGUSTED BY YOUR DEAR BOMBAY. If you want true innovation, and development with some decent quality of life, and some culture, you will find that in cities like Pune, Hyderabad, Bangalore and Chennai.
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February 02,2010 at 10:17 AM IST
Your intentions may seem good at the first sight..
but your arguments r hollow...and u too seem to be spreading hate than really giving any logical analysis
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February 02,2010 at 10:17 AM IST
Mr Saxena,
First you change your head line. Its not 'Bombay' its a 'Mumbai'. Your are deliberately using word 'Bombay'. Shame on you. We can c your mentality. So better go back to your bihar/up wherever you came from.
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February 02,2010 at 10:22 AM IST
Mumbai was always called so in the local dialect. Who told the author that Bambai is more closer to the original name ? Let the author say the same about Chennai or Kolkata and see how the people of those states react. Do not test the patience of Marathi people - it will explode one day like it did in 1960.
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February 02,2010 at 11:04 AM IST
show this passion is finding a job and you will get one you loser, want to get job served in a plate, lazy bugger
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February 02,2010 at 01:12 PM IST
My friend....think big and do big and constructive...we all are there for you and every one in our country. We all are Indians and let the world see that we all are proud to be Indians....Hope to see a more friendly and open minded Prashant next time
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February 02,2010 at 11:27 PM IST
It's really encouraging manish.
(We)India needs leaders like you :)
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February 02,2010 at 10:23 AM IST
BOMBAY, BOMBAY, BOMBAY, BOMBAY.......IF U GOTTA PROBLEM IN ME SAYING BOMBAY...PLZ GO F URSELF :-)
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February 02,2010 at 01:33 PM IST
BOMBAY SOUNDS MUCH BETTER...YEAH, IT DOES...SO BOMBAY IT IS....
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February 02,2010 at 10:24 AM IST
It's sad to see Indians fight with each other...just see the responses in this blog and u will understand how much hatred we have for each other...it's really, really sad...
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February 02,2010 at 10:25 AM IST
peter parker sounds like a Pakistani... people like him should be in Islamabad. and if taxi drivers r not needed , then even the high profile north indians like doctors , engineers and scientists should also be asked to leave.. and if people like Peter Parker are not just "barking dogs", they should dare Bollywood to produce movies in Marathi, else go back to film city in Noida,UP.. c'mon peter.. show them that u r not just a barking dog
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February 02,2010 at 10:26 AM IST
First politicians like Bal Thackeray divided nation Hindustan=India+pakistan.
Now time has come for country India to be divided into different countries=Mumbai, Maharashtra etc
In few years from now Politicians like Bal Thackeray and sons will divide India.
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February 02,2010 at 10:29 AM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 10:31 AM IST
WE ARE CLAIMING THIS CITY B'CAUSE OUR PEOPLE GAVE THEIR LIFES FOR THIS CITY WHEN MARARJI DESAI'S GOVT. WANTED ONE CAPITAL FOR GUJ.& MAHA. AFTER THIS , MUMBAI BECAME CAPITAL OF MAHA. SO IF U FEEL R PEOPLE ( THAKAREYS) NOT BEHAAVING PROPERLY WITH OTHER PEOPLE THEN PLEASE LEAVE WE DO NOT WANT UR SUPPORT, PLEASE LEAVE FAST , IMMEDIATELY, THANKS
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February 02,2010 at 11:54 AM IST
'PEOPLE GAVE LIVES FOR THIS CITY'...Wow.Can you tell me the naes of those people?Were they all marathi's?Are you sure.I don't know how people make such statements without even knowing anything about it.What if there were as many north indians , south indians, or other indians.How can you solely claim mumbai to be yours?Pity.Very invalid statement.
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February 02,2010 at 10:35 AM IST
Not only the title article is equivalent good. I appreciate author's good intentions. wake up janta before it's too late...
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February 02,2010 at 10:36 AM IST
This Is Bala sahib Frustation combined with the success of Congress with the help of MNS, leading to chaos in Mumbai. Congress is eqally responsible for taking sides with MNS and then backing out. This is very cheap and decisive politics by a national party- Congress. They are destroying Hyderabad and now Mumbai.
This is a fact that Contribution to Mumbai is least from Marathis. Most of the Marathis have migrated to Mumbai from near by villages and even far off villages around Mumbai, while development process was on. It is a natural process. This is true with Delhi as well. This was true with Kolkata also, when it was on the rise. Claiming for any Metro and a developed town by a particular regional or language community is utterly wrong.
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj's-who is most respected leader for all Hindus all over the country -Capital was Pune and Not Mumbai.Even thereafter Maratha's Capital for ruling was Pune and not Mumbai.
With the regional chavinism, not only Mumbai will lose, like Kolkata under Left parties, but the whole country will be a big looser.
To certain extent, the nation understands that local issues should always be considered before so much of influx of the outer population.
BJP HAS taken the right stand of mixing local aspiration without refusing the entery of North Indians.
North Indians also have a responsibility towards the town or the state which they adopt for their livelyhood.
Rest Later.
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February 02,2010 at 10:38 AM IST
The fact is that the city of Mumbai IS OFFICIALLY called so.
However you pretend to ignore it, the newspaper you are writing it will always be known as "based in Mumbai, and not Bombay".
Call it Bombay if you like, but your future generations will defy you.
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February 02,2010 at 10:39 AM IST
Thank you for writing the blog,You just added to the vote bank of Raj Thackeray and his comments about North Indians. Or are you his party worker?
A few North Indians will banged in the next few days and I guess you are proud in your contribution to the fueling of the fire
FYI, If you think that by writing the blog you have brought some change in anyone's life you are sadly mistaken
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February 02,2010 at 10:41 AM IST
Sir Yaah I understand that u written what people are suffering between these political parties...But Sir I think during this time these speeches ,notes etc will not work unless and until,people especially youngsters comes on to the way and think over it....and Political People,should once think before speaking or writing, that their people also leave in others state also...(In Indian Culture no people were saying as Their People, they were referred as OUR People..but Conditions are now changed)....Maharastrians also live in U.P.-Bihar and vice versa....i believe that all the people of India should once think this, before expressing their views on such a nation dividing speech....
thank you...
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February 02,2010 at 10:42 AM IST
I agree with some of the points but not all.All parties (Comgress,NCP,Samajwadi-favoring north indians & MNS-Shivsena favoring marathi manoos)are just playing politics. Mumbai is such a city that everyone has an eye on it. Why only Indians , even pakistan , china , US all have intrest in Mumbai. But Mumbai belongs to those who live there , survive there & fight for Mumbai. No caste , no relegion , no regional nothing. But as u live here u must have to follow some rules. As any1 goes US he needs to learn english , follow there rules. Just beware of this politicians. They want to make Mumbai theirs.
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Dude you need to take visa to go to America. Tomorrow you will say just follow the rules and take visa to come to mumbai. We dont need to learn to marathi to enter any part of my country. Its my right as an indian citizen to anywhere i want. So stop supporting this bullshit of following rules.
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February 02,2010 at 10:44 AM IST
Whoever is spreading this regional plague in India should be annihilated. Be it SS, MNS, Congress, BJP or even local marathi manoos. We should send all these people who to concenteration camps and its their wish if they want that camp to named as Mumbai or bambai or bombay, marathi land. Whatever, people like these have destroyed India from ages. We must not allow them to destroy India again. We are already surrounded by 545 traitors who sit in our so called parliament besides two hostile neighbours and now these so called marathi manoos. Grow up people and understand this hate politics. You should be proud as an indians who are marathi's and not the other way round.
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I fully agree with Indian Nazi........whatever your name may be.
The 26/11 terrorrist did kill innocent people but they united the Indians........ The MNS, SS, Congress, etc.etc, this blogger and the commentators are spreading hatred among Indians.....dividing India. Good job MNS, SS, Congress,Mr. blogger and the commentators, we don't need ISI or any ouside force to destroy us. We will do it ourselves !!
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February 02,2010 at 10:44 AM IST
The Society,the Government and the polity of the nation have to take a notice & deal with the ugly worrisome emerging trend, which needs to be dealt severely to put a stop to such divisive tendencies.A time has come when some sort of effective legislation should be put in place, and if already in place, must be applied without further delay & exception to deal with such a band of people.Simultaneously, the larger question of equitable development of all the regions of the country would have to be urgently addressed regardless of coalition politics at central level, to arrest migration of people from one region to other prosperous center(s).Take a note that only needy & poor people who came to Mumbai to earn their bread,are facing the flak.
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February 02,2010 at 10:47 AM IST
What is the meaning of this deliberate act of referring Mumbai as Bombay? At least I didn't expect this from TOI.
For Mr. Saxena's kind information, the name of the city was Mumbapuri and Mumbai's history dates back to 1500 yrs ago. So its bullshit saying Portuguese named the city.
Also why Mumbai or Maharashtrian cities take onus of feeding all poor population from UP and Bihar?
If biharis can make Mumbai rich, why cant they make Bihar rich or developed? Nobody wants to question corrupt bihari and up politicians, everybody wants to encroach on others territory and steal their jobs with cheap imported labor.
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February 02,2010 at 10:47 AM IST
Most of your comments Clearly shows Indians are the biggest racists in the whole world!! Grow up boys.
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February 02,2010 at 10:49 AM IST
Mr Saxena
Mumbai is official name of bombay. U R NORTH INDIAN So we are not surprised by ur comments. u are loyal to them thats fine,
taxi wallas are most arrogant law-breakers cheap illegal, corrupt in mumbai.
These bhaiyyas refuse go anywhere where u want. as per law taxiwalla shld go to place where ask. go to airport ,railway terminus they take more money than meter permits. check their permits if u find half of them with legal docs, taxis are old fiats they give pollution dirt for mumbai.
mr saxena u go to chennai kolkata and call their names madras calcutta. its legal name is changed to mumbai as per people's wish emotions.
If you go to any place in india or world u shld respect local culture speak local language
what ur bihar govt did for development for last 60 yrs. why cant there be IT PARK INFOSYS RELIANCE IN BIHAR UP.
Problem is exortion naxalites caste politics .
There is no space in mumbai now for anybody .
I take this opportunity to urge central govt to develop UP BIHAR Create job opportunity create IT PARKS UDYOGS SO THAT PPL DONT NEED TO GO ANYWHERE.
mR SAXENA Instead of giving lectures why cant u go to bihar start developments
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Mumbai had developed due to proximity of sea and a port for trade. Since this was safe from cyclones and better connected with Gujarat and other states the business flourished here...
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February 02,2010 at 10:49 AM IST
Most of your comments Clearly shows Indians are the biggest racists in the whole world!! Grow up boys.
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February 02,2010 at 10:49 AM IST
Bindranwale to Indira Gandhi,Taliban to USA, Shiva Sena to North Indians-During 1960s, when SS was targeting Tamilians and Tamilians alone, the same North Indians were silent watchers. Reap what you sow.
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February 02,2010 at 10:50 AM IST
What is the meaning of this deliberate act of referring Mumbai as Bombay? At least I didn't expect this from TOI.
For Mr. Saxena's kind information, the name of the city was Mumbapuri and Mumbai's history dates back to 1500 yrs ago. So its bullshit saying Portuguese named the city.
Also why Mumbai or Maharashtrian cities take onus of feeding all poor population from UP and Bihar?
If biharis can make Mumbai rich, why cant they make Bihar rich or developed? Nobody wants to question corrupt bihari and up politicians, everybody wants to encroach on others territory and steal their jobs with cheap imported labor.
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February 02,2010 at 11:09 AM IST
yeah keep moaning, learn to fight on your merits not where you from.when we took BPO operations from US, then US should have thrashed every indian they found.Please stop crying and type your CV well.
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February 02,2010 at 10:50 AM IST
Whoever is spreading this regional plague in India should be annihilated. Be it SS, MNS, Congress, BJP or even local marathi manoos. We should send all these people who to concenteration camps and its their wish if they want that camp to named as Mumbai or bambai or bombay, marathi land. Whatever, people like these have destroyed India from ages. We must not allow them to destroy India again. We are already surrounded by 545 traitors who sit in our so called parliament besides two hostile neighbours and now these so called marathi manoos. Grow up people and understand this hate politics. You should be proud as an indians who are marathi's and not the other way round.
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February 02,2010 at 10:52 AM IST
The Society,the Government and the polity of the nation have to take a notice & deal with the ugly worrisome emerging trend, which needs to be dealt severely to put a stop to such divisive tendencies.A time has come when some sort of effective legislation should be put in place, and if already in place, must be applied without further delay & exception to deal with such a band of people.Simultaneously, the larger question of equitable development of all the regions of the country would have to be urgently addressed regardless of coalition politics at central level, to arrest migration of people from one region to other prosperous center(s).Take a note that only needy & poor people who came to Mumbai to earn their bread,are facing the flak.
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February 02,2010 at 10:52 AM IST
why do we tolerate idiots like uddhav,what does he know about suffering due to lack of job, today its time of global migration, people change countries let alone states and what kind of India we are making where people can't even chose to live in place they want. Jobs are for the best available candidate that does not mean hiring a local even if he or she is not right for the job. Companies have business to run not Uddav's agendas.Yes you can continuing this irrelevant and cowardly acts but it will only lead to companies moving out of Bombay( sorry don't like Mumbai) and jobs will be scarce. so mr Uddav and his clan can go clean the beaches.
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February 02,2010 at 11:00 AM IST
What have MNS or SN done to address the unemployment problem. NOTHING. Oh yess they have jobs open for hate mongers whom they can give positions in Street protesting. Job titles will be North Indian Hate Analyst, Cinema Halls Destroyers, etc etc. All these people will work under the direct supervision of Mr Raj Thackrey who has nearly 2 decades of experience in this field. Thats how they are making marathi manoos employed. And yes i forgot about the compensation package. Ohh its pretty good 2 bottles desi local tharra and lots of bullshit about marathi manoos history. GROW UP MARATHI MANOOS.
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February 02,2010 at 11:03 AM IST
This hate politics is being facilitated by non other then congress and NCP. It has no Socio-Economic logic even from the point of view of marathi manoos. if all the outsiders are thrown out there would be hardly anything left in the city. the cheap migrant labourers add to the prosparity and economy of the city. Can any one tell me if migrant workers are not there how one can find a worker for Rs.100/- per day. if people from other parts of country were not there who is to play milk man, washer man, newspaper vendor, vegetable vendor, taxiwallah, ricksawwallah, watchmen is there enough able and willing marathi workers in mumbai to take up these jobs. What SS and MNS is trying is to fool marathi people in the name of language and regionalism, and is being proped by congress and ncp. where is the lack of job, theres not sufficient good workers.
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February 02,2010 at 11:03 AM IST
FIRST OF ALL WHO HAS WRITTEN THIS WRITUP SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT ITS "MUMBAI" & NO MORE "BOMBAY".
NEXT TIME YOU WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT MUMBAI PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO MENTION "MUMBAI".
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February 02,2010 at 11:05 AM IST
DEAR INDIANS;
IF WE FIGHT LIKE THIS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, REGARDLESS OF ANY CITY, WE BELONGING TO PARTICULAR COMMUNITY OR RELIGION, THEN OBVIOUSLY OUR ENEMY COUNTRIES WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND WE WILL BE BIG SUFFERERS. "HAM SAB HINDUSTANI HAIN. AAO SAB MILKE HINDUSTAN KO MAZBOOT KAREN" DEAR INDIANS DONT FOLLOW & COME INTO THE FOLDS OF CORRUPT POLITICIANS. THINK FROM UR MIND AND DECIDE WHAT IS CORRECT AND WHAT IS WRONG. MUMBAI OR BOMBAY IT IS FOR ALL OF US.
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February 02,2010 at 11:06 AM IST
There is no difference between Shiv Sena attacking Biharis/UP-ites and Australian hate crimes against Indian students. If we attack Biharis in Mumbai, we should be prepared to applaud violence against Indians abroad.
THNIK Sena THINK.... use your head. Bal Thakrey is like the frog in a well who has never stepped outside.... limited in thought, limited in inspiration and limited in vision.
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February 02,2010 at 09:18 PM IST
Well said. These goons must be eliminated for beter united India
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February 02,2010 at 11:16 AM IST
What u said is correct.politician, bread and butter is lie, if they dont lie, who will give them to eat food,public know everything they show their colour in election time.shiv sena, NMS Congress when public go against u, u will be not out of country, out of this world.Thanks
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February 02,2010 at 11:18 AM IST
bombay is definitely for all indians n stil knwn by the same name the world over.....y doesnt mns n shiv sena say anything against gujrati, rajasthani or andhra people cz dey knw dey 'l b dead as most of their financers are big businessmen frm dese states!!!!!
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February 02,2010 at 11:21 AM IST
i loved the title!!!
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February 02,2010 at 11:21 AM IST
Listen guys... I think the whole issue is that we are giving too much importance to this whole thing of checking opinions and views of such nomadic people with medevial minds. They come and speak again and again cos we give them the importance .. its like the terrorists...who enjoy terrorism cos they get the mileage from media.. Imagine if no news was covered on terrorists...it would probably give them serious doubts on their agendas....... Just give them a royal IGNORE.... who are they to even make comments....
These so called social messiahs of a particular community need to prove themselves for bigger issues...for them to qualify to be " people who matter" in our minds...
so let them first do the following:
a) Please clean Mumbai... cover the potholes
b) Make our city secure and terror-proof
c) Fight for Mummbai and not for who should be in Mumbai.. fight against inflation... use your so called political clout in getting inflation down...
d) Everybody happily cut jobs and reduced salaries during recession. Now that the economy is stabilising..get the corrections done
e) Offer your "brave fearless citizen army" to serve at the border to stop infiltration rather than showing their power in breaking cinema halls and protesting on stupid inconsequential issues like "Valentine's Day"
f) Create a "social rapid action sena" of people who immediately rush and save people from fire, earthquakes, natural and man-made calamities.... stop being yourself a man-made calamity
I could go on....but for now... do these ...and then my friends...have your self proclaimed rioght to decide where others should stay....
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February 02,2010 at 11:22 AM IST
What have MNS or SN done to address the unemployment problem. NOTHING. Oh yess they have jobs open for hate mongers whom they can give positions in Street protesting. Job titles will be North Indian Hate Analyst, Cinema Halls Destroyers, etc etc. All these people will work under the direct supervision of Mr Raj Thackrey who has nearly 2 decades of experience in this field. Thats how they are making marathi manoos employed. And yes i forgot about the compensation package. Ohh its pretty good 2 bottles desi local tharra and lots of bullshit about marathi manoos history. GROW UP MARATHI MANOOS.
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February 02,2010 at 11:24 AM IST
Its a pity that we Indians are ready and willing to divide at the drop of a hat. I am from Bihar and trust me no Bihari feels proud in going away and working in a different state. Things are improving in Bihar and just a matter of time when we will reach the spot where we were (thanks to Nitish Kumar). God willing Biharis won't need to go to places where they are not welcome.
On the issue of Mumbai, I totally agree that sentiments of local population should be respected. If you do not respect the local people and culture then you do not deserve to be there. The respect of local culture makes what we are true Indians.
My concern is that this issue has been hijacked by rouge elements like SS and MNS. They are not serving the Marathi people. Surely, they are not serving India. It seems like a joke, when same SS and MNS talk about India's pride when it comes to Pakistan. It is high time when sensible people in Maharashtra should take matters in their control.
At the end just one question to all the people, in the light of what is happening in Mumbai, would we support the australians for the racial attacks on Indians in australia? I think issues are same there also.
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February 02,2010 at 11:24 AM IST
I have a pity on You Mr. Saxena. I feel that you are feeling highly insecure nowadays. Apart from one incident when MNS came down to streets there is no violence. Then in that case also nobody was even admitted to hospital.
he name Mumbai is an eponym, etymologically derived from Mumba or Maha-Amba—the name of the Koli goddess Mumbadevi—and Aai, "mother" in Marathi.The former name Bombay had its origins in the 16th century when the Portuguese arrived in the area and called it by various names, which finally took the written form Bombaim, still common in current Portuguese use. After the British gained possession of the city in the 17th century, it was believed to be anglicised to Bombay from the Portuguese Bombaim. The city was known as Mumbai or Mambai to Marathi and Gujarati-speakers, and as Bambai in Hindi, Persian, and Urdu. It is sometimes still referred to by its older names, such as Kakamuchee and Galajunkja.
So by telling half truth about the origin of Mumbai you are committed a bigger crime. Don't mislead people Mr Saxena.
Now your 2nd truth that 50% of revenue is from Mumbai. Mr. Saxena this is the truth and you should accept it. Let companies decide where they would like to stay. For example, Pimpri Chinchwad is the richest Municipality in India. Now if you say that if companies shift there base from there to somewere they will not be the richest. Mr. Saxena, please tell me what kind of thinking is this. All if's and but's. LOL
Your 3rd truth about Taxiwalla.
The truth was correct when the Sardarji were taxiwallas in mumbai. Now taxi and rikshaw walla UP , Bihar ( your words ) are the most arrogant people in whole Mumbai.
Come on, Mumbai don't need these people. Mumbai need clear air, migration is choking her. This is the fact and the UP Biharis are the mostly migrants that is the problem.
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February 02,2010 at 11:26 AM IST
I am a tamilian who has been born and brought up in delhi . delhi is my state MINE!! . i too have a problem wen people of othr states like up or bihar come to my city and make my state dirty and indulge in crimes. i too hate it wen these people frm oth states cum here and compete fr land, traffic.job and eductional opprtunities . yes i am complaining
but unlike mns or shiv sena i will not start a hate campaign .. because i understand it is a problem of internal migration.wen agriculture fails,pple move in2 cities in search of jobs as labourers, lack of good colleges ..lack of employmnt opportunities,are other reasons
have u ever seen delhites or bangloreans complaing..?? we 2 have problems..but lets face it each state belongs to each and every indian citizen
unfortunately all that we can d is complain and blog..it all boils down 2 1 thing..unscrupulous politicians
resources need 2 b utilised in other non cosmopolitan stes, good colleges set up,industies set up
but whose listening??
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February 02,2010 at 11:26 AM IST
You dumb idiots.... are we not Indians ? why is Bal Thakery so concerned about Indians been beaten up in Australia when Indians are beaten up in Mumbai. What a hipocrite.
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February 02,2010 at 11:27 AM IST
I am a tamilian who has been born and brought up in delhi . delhi is my state MINE!! . i too have a problem wen people of othr states like up or bihar come to my city and make my state dirty and indulge in crimes. i too hate it wen these people frm oth states cum here and compete fr land, traffic.job and eductional opprtunities . yes i am complaining
but unlike mns or shiv sena i will not start a hate campaign .. because i understand it is a problem of internal migration.wen agriculture fails,pple move in2 cities in search of jobs as labourers, lack of good colleges ..lack of employmnt opportunities,are other reasons
have u ever seen delhites or bangloreans complaing..?? we 2 have problems..but lets face it each state belongs to each and every indian citizen
unfortunately all that we can d is complain and blog..it all boils down 2 1 thing..unscrupulous politicians
resources need 2 b utilised in other non cosmopolitan stes, good colleges set up,industies set up
but whose listening??
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February 02,2010 at 11:30 AM IST
After reading the maximum comments on this forums, i feel that we don't have many intelligent people around. They all get swayed by language, culture and local jingoism. I feel that North Indians have merged in Mumbai with the local ethos and maximum also speak "mumhaiyya" Hindi. I guess North Indian is a wrong word. I guess MNS and SS are not against Punjabis/Rajasthanis/Mpites etc, but they have selectively selected the poor people from east UP and Bihar, for their vote banks. Primarily, it is the personal fight between Raj and Balasaheb, which people don/t understand. Mere Vandalism don't solve any problem and educated people on this forum talk with such hollow low intelligence. Lets think as Indians first or else divide the whole country like USSR and fight each other tooth and nail, as we were before the British came in. Britishers were right when they said that it would be difficult to sustain this Nation for a long time. Open your eyes and see. We need more of Rahul Gandhis rather than Thackereys.
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February 02,2010 at 11:30 AM IST
My dear Indian Brothers
Dont fight, be calm basically fight comes because of wealth, not only between Marathies and UP and Bihar, it comes between brothers and between wife and husband. So be calm and solve the problem without any tensions, outsiders should respect the local and locals tolerate and welcome the indian guest from other parts and gradually settle what is needed. If you dont want services arrange in a good way and work hard by yourself give a way out with good planning.
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February 02,2010 at 11:31 AM IST
I strongly believe that in a democratic united india we should not be the part of such blogs which is not at all a discussion subject for a general marathi/indian. We should not be part of the DIRTY POLITICS of Shivsena / MNS / congress. Congress is trying to win election in Bihar after Maharastra. They are in centre and mumbai and are mute spectatior to the goodaism of shiva-sainiks/MNS. In long term its not well for mumbai and Maharastra and india too. I request our media persons to simply IGNORE such news. They shall vanish as these have no people's support.
Thank you... Hai Hind!!!
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February 02,2010 at 11:32 AM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 11:32 AM IST
the whole Thackeray clan is nothing but a bunch of goons...genetic crap...both uncle and nephew should be sent to deepest jungles of Africa or hung upside down and flogged in public...take out North Indians from Mumbai and what do you have...Bollywood replaced by Marathi cinema...why not sack/beat up Marathis elsewhere in India...
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February 02,2010 at 11:34 AM IST
Please do not pull NSG into all this dirty politics. They have their own drills to tackle such situations. Also NSG doesn't only comprises of North indians. Mr Ghandi, are u an idiot or what?
And people, it was the duty of Mumbai Police to face those terrorists first, which they did. Had it happened in any other state, the repective state police would have been the first one at the scene.
I feel very ashamed of indian politicians. They are acting like they can't see outside threats to our rapidly developing country. CPU (China, Pak and US)will do all they can to stop Indian growing economy.
This is an wake up call to all decision makers.
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Yes I fully agree to you, one of my freinds in kerala had remarked that during Godhra riots police from kerala was called to handle the situation.... u know how he asumed that because in hindi they write ke ri pu ba [ KENDRIYA RESERVE POLICE BAL] snd he thinks K stands for Kerala!!!!!
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February 02,2010 at 11:35 AM IST
Dear All,
I am a hard-core Marathi Maanus and a pro-SS and MNS. However there are few pointers for you before we all go all red-headed about Mr. Saxena's thoughts....
1. Now that it is officially and constiutionally Bombay has been named "Mumbai"... lets make it a point we call it so. I dont think we or anybody in world calls Chennai Madras anymore.
2. Abstract behind all this hooligism of SS and MNS is that somehow Industrialists have become ignorant of marathi youth here and they prefer cheap labour from north india. Its a fact and is mentioned in Industry Report of Maharshtra Govt 2009. This submission by Govt has suddenly got the idea in peoples mind that the "North Indians" are eating there jobs out. Just to give you an insight in Tamil Nadu and in Uttaranchal its mandatory to have 60% work-force of local People.
3. Taxis in Mumbai are definitely one of the best and affordable services in the World. But the rates are not decided by Drivers (whichever part of India they may belong)but by Mumbai taxi union and is approved by Transport minister of Maharashtra.
4. People from north who migrate here are mostly really poor and they are desperate to get their share of bread. Somehow marathi youth are not, I guess its the downfall for them. Marathi maanus is at fault here.
Finally, Mumbai will be an Integral part of India and will always be but we both Marathis and others should look beyond the hooligism and hit the problem, "FEAR" of loosing what once called mine to others. Train full people everyday will rrive but will only increase Infrastructural problems here in Mumbai.
Best solution would be we should push all of us together Mr nitish Kumar and Miss Mayavati to create jobs in their own states and push guys there to stay there and better their states. This may sound Idealistic but is crux of solving problem...
what say guys???
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Well said, You are a hardcore Marathi Manoos, thats fine and there is nothing wrong having pride in ones origin, but I wish you have said I am Indian first and then the rest, I would have loved that.
You said you are pro SS/MNS, thats fine too because its your freedom of right and choice with whom you want to be associated with.
I fully agree with all your comments.
I am a Tamilian, even though Chennai was on record in governement transactions and documents, Madras was being commonly used and even now when its full fledged official as Chennai, however for people like me who grew up calling it Madras it is difficult to forget that (as they say old habits die hard) and from time to time the old name slips out and there is nothing wrong or disrespectful towards my city.Same way its difficult for others to get used to calling by the new name until they get used to doing it, maybe the next generation will definitely. As Shakespeare said "whats in a name?". Anyway this is not point of discussion.
As you said about the reservation system in Tamil nadu, its more towards the state government jobs which is right if other states do the same.
If the same happens in private sector, then there is a problem. Look what happened with Binny and Standard Motors courtesy MGR and his quota system and unionization and politicising. He did the same in a very quiet way unlike SS/MNS. The result Binny, Standard Motors closed and the growth in TN came to a stand still until the MNC's arrived and the current governments efforts, so quota system in private does not work,
As to your points 3,4,5 I fully agree with you and its the duty of central government and respective state governments to take a conscious effort in developing their respective states (atleast being selfish in this way will be appreciated). Now a point of note, you may call it advise, you want votes, just create jobs, work for the future of the people, create a sense of safety,security and happiness the rest will come
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February 02,2010 at 02:17 PM IST
You are absolutely right man....but i even when we try to speak with well educated North Indians, they turn their eye away from the root cause of the problem - undeveloped UP n Bihar. Then, i started getting feeling that it is ok if SS n MNS hit these guys, atleast that would create fear in their minds and they will run away from maharashtra.
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February 04,2010 at 11:28 AM IST
Yes Neeraj you are absolutely right.
Mr Saxena the person who has wrote about reclaiming India, I have replied him regarding reclaming of POK and COK first. But there is no reponse from neither Mr Saxena or anybody else, I will elaborate POK= PAK OCCUPIED KASHMIR and COK= CHINA OCCUPIED KASHMIR.
We marathis are not asking to much , we are not saying that Mumbai is not for all , but we are locals. Kasmir is integral part of India why every body is mum on that???? Why no body wants to reclaim.?? They want to reclaim Mumbai because they think Marathis are cowards. Let these people do this in Punjab or Haryana the same thing what they are doing here and see the whose back side beocmes RED....!!!!
Remember what Hemamalini had said to UP walle bhaiyyas.... Its Simple if u cant make it here just return, dont resort to unfair means and goondaism. Marathis can also do it...
Development of other states is eaually important and more advisable solution then RECLAIMING the already over developed Mumbai!!!!
There absolutely no question of calling Mumbai as Bombay just forget it..
Bharat Mata ki Jai.
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February 04,2010 at 05:08 PM IST
I fully endorse your view points. First preference should always go to the local people in most of the fields for most of the jobs otherwise where the local people will go..
President Obama also want to give jobs to Americans first with the condition that they come upto the expectations of the industry.
Despite that lot of Indians/ Chinese are shifting to US for jobs.
This is a process which goes on.
Biharis work in the fields of Punjab. And Punjabis go to Canada and U.K. Both provide cheap labour to their respective work place.
The Process goes on.
This is also true that under the leadership of Netas like Lallu Prasad/ Mulayam Singh and Mayawati, the opportunities in the states of Bihar and U.P are dwindling, and hence the people migrate to places where the work is available. Otherwise people will shift to crime, and if they do in crime, they will not remain confined to Bihar and U.P, thay will go all over which will be more dangerous.
Bala Sahib and Co to the extent, asking preference for Marathis is not wrong ,but outrightely talking the language of a extremist is wrong.
The whole country is for all Indians.
Rest Later.
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February 02,2010 at 11:36 AM IST
CAN'T WE AS 'INDIANS' JUST GET ALONG?
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February 02,2010 at 11:39 AM IST
ha ha nice desi mentality - always fighting amongst themselves. stabbing each other in the back. stage is set for another invasion/take over. then you can still continue your favorite past time from under the boot of the invader.
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February 02,2010 at 11:40 AM IST
While lot of frustrated individuals have taken an approach of supporting this divisive policies but this is tunnel vision, what made Bombay great was opportunities, if its financial capital its because of services sector and this sector can move anywhere in the world and still carry on functioning not like manufacturing. Fan this too much and guess who loses, so called manoos and very soon you will be migrating to other states.Nothing is permanent in todays dynamic world companies move where they find best resources not name of the place.Your support to Mr Idiot is pathetic,nothing more than two losers supporting each other each one complaning how he was taken for a ride by society. Why don't you ban marathi migration to outside states.Bombay is just a city in India not India itself and you are nothing more than an Indian living in city called Bombay if you can't digest it then find your self a Marathi school,study in Marathi,eat everything grown in Bombay only and get a job in Saamna newspaper and get paid in Bombay Taka
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February 02,2010 at 11:41 AM IST
who does the "mumbai for maharashtrians" appeal to? not to smart maharashtrians who do not need any helping hand. only to idiots and the mediocre who are too lazy to handle the competition. if such mediocrity is encouraged how will the society thrive/prosper?
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February 02,2010 at 11:44 AM IST
Mr Shobhan Saxena, if somebody calls you as Mr "Shobha Sex na" then what would you feel. Shobhan is a name given by your parents and you expect others to respect it. You also do the same for others. I don't know where you leave but my city name is MUMBAI and not BOMBAY anymore.
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February 02,2010 at 11:45 AM IST
Again a pure lie. I have lived in Bombay for three years and the only people who are honest, hard-working, simple are the taxiwallahs, all of whom come from UP and Bihar.
By this one sentence Mr Saxena shows that he has much more in common with Shiv Sena and MNS than he realizes. Just as they are opposing the UPites and Biharis without any basis - Mr Saxena wears his North Indian hat and declares that the ONLY HONEST PEOPLE in the city are those of his ilk. As a true Mumbaikar - I will tell all my non Bihari, Upites friends (Gujjus, Maharahstrians, Parsis, Punjabis, Tamilians, Telegus, Konkani, Kanndigas, Malyalams etc that they are not honest or Hardworking
Such a pathetic loser who wears deep down is as parochial as the people he says he opposes
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February 02,2010 at 11:45 AM IST
What have MNS or SN done to address the unemployment problem. NOTHING. Oh yess they have jobs open for hate mongers whom they can give positions in Street protesting. Job titles will be North Indian Hate Analyst, Cinema Halls Destroyers, etc etc. All these people will work under the direct supervision of Mr Raj Thackrey who has nearly 2 decades of experience in this field. Thats how they are making marathi manoos employed. And yes i forgot about the compensation package. Ohh its pretty good 2 bottles desi local tharra and lots of bullshit about marathi manoos history. GROW UP MARATHI MANOOS.
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February 02,2010 at 11:49 AM IST
It’s amazing how a comments on this article shows our feeling for each other. India unity in diversity. Ya right..
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February 02,2010 at 11:50 AM IST
I strongly believe that in a democratic united india we should not be the part of such blogs which is not at all a discussion subject for a general marathi/indian. We should not be part of the DIRTY POLITICS of Shivsena / MNS / congress. Congress is trying to win election in Bihar after Maharastra. They are in centre and mumbai and are mute spectatior to the goodaism of shiva-sainiks/MNS. In long term its not well for mumbai and Maharastra and india too. I request our media persons to simply IGNORE such news. They shall vanish as these have no people's support.
Thank you... Hai Hind!!!
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February 02,2010 at 11:51 AM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 11:52 AM IST
The Shiv Sena says they wont allow the Aussies to paly in Mumbai becoz of the attack on Indians in Australia. What a joke !!!. What about the attacks on Indians in Mumbai by the Shiv Sena & MNS goondas ???
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February 02,2010 at 11:56 AM IST
There is no need to reclaim anything from anyone. These games will keep on happening. The funny thing is how all of us are getting agitated over it. Those who need mileage out of this, will get it; those people who have to make a life in Mumbai will make it. So please, I think it is time to cut this.
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February 02,2010 at 11:59 AM IST
It seems Shobhan Saxena is proud of his UP / Bihari origin. Yes, he should be. But will he tell us why, even as most prime ministers were from UP, are UP and Bihar among the most backward states? Why, despite having proximity to political power, these states are most poorest, most prone to crime, having practically no infrastructure? Are their leaders so useless that they cannot provide basic needs to their people that they are working and living in places like Mumbai in nearly inhuman conditions? It is time all these Hindi states stop talking about their great culture and start doing some real work for their people. UP and Bihar has most fertile land but the first green revolution happened in Punjab and Haryana and the second green revolution is round the corner in, of all places, Gujarat where most land is semi-arid. Are UP and Bihar people so useless that they do not learn this basic lessons in economic management? People flock to Mumbai because in their state they do not get employment. It is good to say every Indian has a right to live in any place in India but say, who will go to settle down in Bihar, UP unless he is so desperate? Shobhan Saxena is advised to have a good look at this rather than reviving old controversies like Bombay etc.
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February 02,2010 at 12:48 PM IST
what makes a place successful or failure is vision of some leader in our case a politician, take example of bangalore or hyderabad. Don't compare agriculture with Bombay, you are not doing agri business there.Passion for your home is right but when you say S.Saxena to have good look how much good look you have taken on other states and issues and problems surrounding india. Its India who does business there not bombay transacting bombay trades.Stock exchange has companies from India( not bombay alone), Big banks have head offices again countrywide. docks receive ships for country not Bombay.Its hilarious to read about crime when we all know which is headquarter of crime gangs. Why are you scared of competing in an open world.Why don't you make Marathi as language to talk to outside world and please type message in Marathi.
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February 02,2010 at 01:34 PM IST
Hi Navin,
I am not a Marathi speaking nor I would be keen to live in Mumbai because of its humid weather. But if I chose to live in Mumbai for the opportunities it provides to me, I would definitely learn Marathi. I believe this should be the approach, that even if you are not part of a local culture, you should try to assimilate with it if you chose to live at a given place. The issue is not pertaining to language alone. The issue is the basic thinking in our society. Companies have set up headquarter in Mumbai out of their own choice. If they get better options, they would surely move out, Marathi or Non-Marathi apart. The fact is, most of these studio warriors who consume lot of airwaves on TV channels would not face any problem whether they are Marathi speaking or not.
The real thing is, because large cities like Mumbai, Delhi etc provide employment opportunities to people from states where these opportunites are non-existent.
It is comical to hear Rahul Gandhi these days, but ask him, the most part of time since independence, India was ruled by his father, his grandmother, his great-grandfather and now since since last six years his party is again in power. What his family and party (which is again extension of his family as we have not heard of any leader of substance in Congress since independence who does not belong to family except Narasimha Rao for a brief period, the last leader outside family being Sardar Patel)has done all these years for people of UP, Bihar, MP, Rajasthan ?(derisively referred to as BIMARU states in media, which is again unacceptable). Were /are these worthies of Gandhi-Nehru dynasty, not visionary leaders? The chief ministers of all northern states should do something real good to attract investment in their states rather than forcing their people to flock to large cities like Delhi, Mumbai etc for doing semi-skilled and unskilled jobs. Mumbai and all other places will always welcome outsiders if they bing with them good things.
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February 02,2010 at 12:00 PM IST
To all these fanatics and so called MEARTHI MANOOS... i think you people can have mumbai and maharashtra and stay there until you die dont dare to keep your feet in any territory of the Republic of India coz we are together and u marathis can sing and dance in isolation..
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February 02,2010 at 12:00 PM IST
Listen guys... I think the whole issue is that we are giving too much importance to this whole thing of checking opinions and views of such nomadic people with medevial minds. They come and speak again and again cos we give them the importance .. its like the terrorists...who enjoy terrorism cos they get the mileage from media.. Imagine if no news was covered on terrorists...it would probably give them serious doubts on their agendas....... Just give them a royal IGNORE.... who are they to even make comments....
These so called social messiahs of a particular community need to prove themselves for bigger issues...for them to qualify to be " people who matter" in our minds...
so let them first do the following:
a) Please clean Mumbai... cover the potholes
b) Make our city secure and terror-proof
c) Fight for Mummbai and not for who should be in Mumbai.. fight against inflation... use your so called political clout in getting inflation down...
d) Everybody happily cut jobs and reduced salaries during recession. Now that the economy is stabilising..get the corrections done
e) Offer your "brave fearless citizen army" to serve at the border to stop infiltration rather than showing their power in breaking cinema halls and protesting on stupid inconsequential issues like "Valentine's Day"
f) Create a "social rapid action sena" of people who immediately rush and save people from fire, earthquakes, natural and man-made calamities.... stop being yourself a man-made calamity
I could go on....but for now... do these ...and then my friends...have your self proclaimed rioght to decide where others should stay....
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February 02,2010 at 12:00 PM IST
Great Cities like Mumbai, Kolkatta, Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengalooru and Delhi should be made Super cities with Full powers to Center and be protected from Regional Terrorists like KCR, thackerys & the likes.
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February 02,2010 at 12:01 PM IST
all of those people agree with shiv sena & similar parties are retards...you guys need to wake up ..anyone can say only punjab is saving india from pakistan..they are only one who are suffering..but they never complain .....weather its maharashtra ,orissa ,karnataka,punjab,haryana etc..its for all indians...why you retards make issues when you see indian students being bashed in australia...statements from some of you dumb people make me feel ashamed..our country has a rich culture & we are diff from other countries,we need to set example for other..so that they can learn we can all live happily together....& get a life all those who thinks maha belongs only to marathi people....
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February 02,2010 at 12:06 PM IST
What have MNS or SN done to address the unemployment problem. NOTHING. Oh yess they have jobs open for hate mongers whom they can give positions in Street protesting. Job titles will be North Indian Hate Analyst, Cinema Halls Destroyers, etc etc. All these people will work under the direct supervision of Mr Raj Thackrey who has nearly 2 decades of experience in this field. Thats how they are making marathi manoos employed. And yes i forgot about the compensation package. Ohh its pretty good 2 bottles desi local tharra and lots of bullshit about marathi manoos history. GROW UP MARATHI MANOOS.
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February 02,2010 at 12:07 PM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 12:07 PM IST
Soban Shexena, pls learn to spell the city name correctly - MUMBAI.
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February 02,2010 at 12:10 PM IST
High sounding article with little substance. Sounds like something a politician would say. What do you mean by Reclaim Bombay? A couple of concrete examples would have helped
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February 02,2010 at 12:12 PM IST
mr. saxena is both misinformed and incorrect. Please stop spreading hate propaganda amongst us indians, it is people like him who bring shame to this great country...there is no shame in calling a city by its real and native name....instead of following on the footsteps of colonized us....i am proud to say chennai and bengaluru ....look at china...nobody says peking ...its always beijing...
what we need is nationalists and patriots...not sycophants like mr. saxena
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February 02,2010 at 12:13 PM IST
I dont agree with you on one aspect. As an outsider who has never lived in Bombay / Mumbai, but made day several trips (business as well as transit) over last few years the only thing that I can say is the following:
1. Taxiwallahs (mostly north indians - not punjabis) at Bombay airport and stations are all crooks - trust me, worse than Delhi, Chennai, Hyderabad and Bangalore. Every time I travelled from airport, either they wont drop me at the correct place (their usual pitch: "taxi cannot go further - there is one way beyond this point" or "i want extra money because there is heavy traffic"). I guess the cabbies might be better for the locals, but not certainly for a tourist getting down from the airport or rly station.
2. True that Bombay has a lot, lots of people, but the general level of sanitation is the worst that I have seen across any town or city. Piles of garbage stocked on sidewalks (of course provided a family does not live there) is a common sight. I just dont understand why it is never an issue in the local politics.
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February 02,2010 at 12:13 PM IST
I am giving a 5 poing solution
1. Remove all encroachments from Bombay
2. Demolish all unauthorized and un-occupiyable buildings
3. Do not allow vagabonds or unemployed people to enter mumbai without a reservation in a hotel.
4. Make Mumbai a Union terriroty
5. Give a kick to all the troublemakers of the country like thakreys, terrorists, bangladeshis and pakis.
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February 02,2010 at 12:13 PM IST
whether it is MNS or Shiv Sena or RSS all are one of the same bowl only people who think it will be safe with RSS are fool only, it is only cheap political issue since election is coming up in bihar and other place of north indian RSS is play is good card it is that same RSS who refuse to accept Dalit and other low hindu if their are honest saying that all indian has the right to prayer and stay and work in any city why is their dont let the dalit walk with pride in any hindu temple, and people are fool to follow the leader the other day lalu was talking about food price for nitesh when he was the chief minister and his wife what good had come that time and what did he do for the poor people of bihar more unemployment more crime and more suffering this leader know how to play with emotion if u love u self and u country dont vote for them a single vote,
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February 02,2010 at 12:14 PM IST
It is High time the Central Government bring in a law to create separate states from cities which have crossed 1 crore population. This way, we can liberate areas from goons who spread hatred in the name of Language/caste/religion.
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February 02,2010 at 12:15 PM IST
To All,
I don't think we need pakistani terrorists to destroy our country when we have well educated and Indian terrorists in the forms of Marathis, Biharis, Punjabis, etc.
Be a better human first, then a better Indian, then a better son, and then finally a better north indian, east indian, south indian or west indian.
Damn you guys for all this political bullshit that you have been spreading in my country.
When mumbai attack happened, paki terrorists attacked INDIANS, not marathis or biharis. Atleast they have that sense which you losers don't.
When bravemen from MUMBAI POLICE fought against terrorists, they fought for INDIANS, not marathis. In the same way, when NSG came for rescue, they came for INDIANS not marathis or biharis.
Get a life losers. These politicians are ruining your minds.
I am an HR professional in a big MNC and I am responsible for the training and development of the employees of my company where INDIANS from all the regions come and work.
I was born and brought up in J&K and PUNJAB and work in DELHI with many colleagues from Maharashtra, Bihar, Kolkata and other parts of MY COUNTRY.
If I start thinking like you that I need to develop the employees only from PUNJAB and J&K, then I would be the first person to hate my sole existence.
Just wake up and use your logical senses for God's sake.
And Mr. Saxena, you also gut the bloody crap that you wrote in this blog. To hell with the name and taxiwallas, don't generalize things like this and add fuel in the fire.
I read your blog thinking it to be a positive change in the scene. But sad to say that it wasn't. It was no better then the propaganda started by MNS or SS.
I sincerely wish for a STATELESS INDIA and a day when all INDIANS will introduce themselves to the whole world by saying "I BELONG TO THE UNITED NATION OF INDIANS."
God bless MY COUNTRY from these losers.
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February 02,2010 at 12:18 PM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 12:48 PM IST
Good reply man...hats off to you.
I am proud of Indians like you. Too Good.,
God bless you.
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my dear homosapiens,
am writing against to all those who support thackeray goons:
wats wrong wit u marathi people?if u say that non marathis should get out of ur state then think of the fate of other marathis livin all over india.they too will be told to get out of their 'foriegn states'.then wat u ppl gona do huh?first of all,every single top class businessmen should boycott mumbai and place their headquaters any other part of india like bangalore,cochin,chennai,delhi,etc.let raj or udhav provide them jobs in their own expense.and celebrities like srk,amitab and sachin should migrate from mumbai.in simple meaning:"Eradicate MUMBAI from the world map".then only these shiv sena and thackeray learn their lesson.mns and shiv sena are just sexual crossdressers.i agree wit deepak.parker is just a useless crap.remember mumbai:if u gona treat other states as ur dogs,then be ready to get alienated from rest of india! i saw som ppl writin "when mumbai was attacked mns dint fight the terrorists because they where politicians",bullshit,they cant even protect their own people.the mumbai police took on the terrorists wit normal police sticks,why dint shiv sena do that?mumbai police gave their lives for indians not for marathis.the nsg fights for india not marathis,i think next time mumbai gets attacked by terrorists the center should not send any commandos at all.let shiv sena and mns deal with them.what u sow is what u get!!!
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February 05,2010 at 08:39 PM IST
I will fight for maharashtra freedom, this nonsense of non-marathi is untolerable.
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February 02,2010 at 12:21 PM IST
-Guys, any part of India is for any Indian Manoos. Don't even talk about marathi mannos, bihari manoos etc. It stinks. The condition of poor people whether marathi, bihari, gujrati, bengali anyone is same in all cities - Kolkata, Mumbai, Chennai everywhere. SS leaders are not fomenting this trouble for common people. This separatist slogan is their only tool to exist.
Do you think if Mumbai is given to shibsena all poor marathis of Mumbai will become rich? It will simply give power to these greedy Sivsena leaders and inflate their bank balance.
I vote for chinese treatment with iron fist in such issues - like ban sivsena, mns immediately. Arrest all leaders including that so called Thackery and beat them up as much as possible so that they dare not to do this in future.
We know all these so called "veer" sena. There bravery is only on looting and creating oraganized chaos. These veers will vanish if strong action is taken.
Nobody, no leaders in China, US or any civil soceity can openly delivers such separatist statement in public, terrorize common people and remain scott free.
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February 02,2010 at 12:29 PM IST
This is the worse article Saxena has written. First of all by just staying in Mumbai for 3 years he should not talk how bhaiyas are making mumbai great.
All other states changes the names of their cities to their local language and visitors has to learn local language to survive any part of the country or for that matter world. Then what is wrong if people migrated to mumbai are asked to learn Marathi. Fair enough?
About terrorist and NSG: As most of the folks mentioned here that first mumbai police fought for the city before NSG took 10-12 hours to arrive at the scene. NSG are commandos and they become commondos to fight for the country not for a particular state, you should not make any distinction there and compare them with local people and politicians.
Mumbai belongs to Maharashtra and just because one political party is agressive and active there you can not make such foolish comment. What's wrong if they said migrated people should speek Marathi, What's wrong if they said local people should get preference to get jobs in Railway, What's wrong if they said local people should get permits to drive Taxi's first.
Have you lived in a place surrounded by Bhaiya's in those 3 years of your stay in Mumbai? When there kids sit in the morning on the road in front of your house and throw garbage on the street, and create zopadpatti next to your homes then your will understand what pain the local goes through.
I am not compeletely blaiming Bhaiya's for this as politicians are equally responsible for all that I said above.
So gain some knowledge before writing such stupid articles.
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February 02,2010 at 12:31 PM IST
its Mumbai not bombay.do WE have to tel you the name of your city as well.
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February 02,2010 at 01:02 PM IST
Bombay, BOMBAY, BOMBAY, BOMBAY.....go out and kill everyone who says BOMBAY...
Get a life..
What the hell with the name?
three new states started, and 3 states changed their names (people really don't have much to do these days for development sake).
So how many hungry people got food to eat after renaming?
How many homeless have got their homes?
How many unemployed got jobs?
Change the mindset, not the names.
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February 02,2010 at 01:03 PM IST
how will you spell, you can't even spell your name...is it "n"?
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February 02,2010 at 05:47 PM IST
seriously dude! get a life and be indian first. BTW I call it bombay and lat I knew, it was a free country aswell
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February 02,2010 at 12:36 PM IST
In our school books the first page theres a pledge. I guess the person who wrote that plege and the schlors who agreed to make it compulsary to get that pledge printed had forseen a situation like this (india is my country, all indians are my brothers and sisters...) i guess the teachers of all these pupils should be behind bars and they should be punished. Also stating born in maharashtra only is a true maharashtrain. i guess india is a subset of maharashtra. Without maharashtrains india would be nothing.
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February 02,2010 at 12:37 PM IST
-Guys, any part of India is for any Indian Manoos. Don't even talk about marathi mannos, bihari manoos etc. It stinks. The condition of poor people whether marathi, bihari, gujrati, bengali anyone is same in all cities - Kolkata, Mumbai, Chennai everywhere. SS leaders are not fomenting this trouble for common people. This separatist slogan is their only tool to exist.
Do you think if Mumbai is given to shibsena all poor marathis of Mumbai will become rich? It will simply give power to these greedy Sivsena leaders and inflate their bank balance.
I vote for chinese treatment with iron fist in such issues - like ban sivsena, mns immediately. Arrest all leaders including that so called Thackery and beat them up as much as possible so that they dare not to do this in future.
We know all these so called "veer" sena. There bravery is only on looting and creating oraganized chaos. These veers will vanish if strong action is taken.
Nobody, no leaders in China, US or any civil soceity can openly delivers such separatist statement in public, terrorize common people and remain scott free.
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February 02,2010 at 12:37 PM IST
Hahahahahhaah.....Thanks Mr. Saxena...for ur valuable input....ur nano experience reflects in ur article!!!! Bravo TOI do something before its too late
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February 02,2010 at 12:38 PM IST
The Author seems to know only what his father or grandfather told him. History does not begin from Portugese invasion.
As someone rightly pointed, the Author also has chosen the path of "Hate politics".
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February 02,2010 at 12:39 PM IST
All political parties believe in "Divide and Rule". It is sad that ordinary people are getting swayed / fooled all the time. What is the big achievement in renaming Bombay as Mumbai? What has VT station to do with Shivaji? (A Gothic structure which has nothing to do with Shivaji! - Rather its an insult to Shivaji that political parties cannot even take care of Shivaji's forts all around Maharashtra. None of the common man's problems are addressed - But division is paramount. Sometimes I feel that there are very many people who are getting trapped in this muck for nothing - a mob culture.
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February 02,2010 at 12:40 PM IST
Declare Shiv Sena / MNS a terrorist outfit. These groups have plagued Bombay / Maharashtra / India for years and continue to do all this bull shit. Irony is that no one is standing against these thugs firmly and putting them behind bars for creating in discrimination and trying to fuel riots. PLEASE BAN THESE TERRORIST organizations.
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February 02,2010 at 12:48 PM IST
It is a shame that the younger Gandhi too has got down to the "Hate Politics". He is no different than the Thackerays.
From the responses to this blog it is proves that "Hate Politics" is the need of the hour and the Junior Gandhi has caught on that point. Is it that the influence of being a Gandhi is fading. Being a National figure, this was not expected of him.
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February 02,2010 at 12:49 PM IST
Mr. Shobhan Saxena,
Dont be mistaken. No bhihari or UPwala is poor or humble lets not talk about there honesty, be it taxiwala, dhobiwala or anybody. They all are chits & frauds. If you dont belive, please visit Mumbai airport or dadar station or juhu chaupaty. They encrouch all the open space in mumbai including footpaths, gardens and you name it. As far as name of the City is concerned only bhayyas can think of retaining the names given by the britishers.
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February 02,2010 at 12:53 PM IST
DAMN GOOD ARTICLE. BOMBAY MUST BE RECLAIMED FROM THESE HATE PARTIES IF WE HAVE TO SURVIVE AS A NATION.
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February 02,2010 at 12:56 PM IST
Hi all,
I am a Marathi but I hate MNS and their people.They are trying to divide India. What has MNS done for people except giving treats and breaking rule? They are a bunch of useless people doing all this just for political gains.....and people are aware of that.
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February 13,2010 at 01:13 PM IST
Ur right Swathi.All the uneducated bunch r the followers of this MNS.Otherwise who has time in mumbai for this silly issues.
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February 02,2010 at 12:57 PM IST
Ok, so now all taxi drivers in Bombay are angels and everyone else is a dishonest as***le. Really? WOW!! What logic!! Bravo, Mr. Saxena. I can tell you have learnt a lot during your long (ahem, three year) stay in Mumbai.
Oh and thank you Mr. Saxena for showing us anti-Marathi propaganda through your article. I normally vote for Congress and used to think that MNS is whipping needless paranoia, but next time I will consider voting for MNS to tackle those hypocritical self-proclaimed "cosmopolitan" people that you seem to be batting for. The same ones that consistently demean, despise Marathi and Maharashtra, arrogantly hog all credit for "developing" Mumbai, while BLATANTLY REFUSING TO ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SORRY STATE OF MUMBAI (what with it's 60% living in disgusting slums). THese are the same people that are deluded enough to believe that all Marathis are like some stereotypical "Pandu hawaldar" or "kamwali bai". Due to their supreme ignorance of Maharashtra, they know nothing about the large educated middle class Maharashtrians in other towns like Pune, Nasik, Kolhapur, etc. All they care about is their grand delusion of being "cosmoplitan" in a "world class" city.
For all the SHEER ARROGANCE AND SMUGNESS that Mumbai's "cosmoplitan" classes show Mumbai is still regarded as a THIRD CLASS CITY. None of its immigrants have much desire or determination to improve quality of life, instead all they care about is making money(which too is quite pathetic by today's standards).
No wonder there are more millionaries outside of Mumbai than in Mumbai. And one can expect millionaires in "second tier" cities to grow much faster given the way the economy is growing.
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February 02,2010 at 12:57 PM IST
These Selfish, Idiots of Tackeray and Sena r the result of all the Voilence in India, They r bit time losers in the Elections but still they want to show off at the cost of the People who live in Mumbai to get credit for all their stupid actions, If NY and London leaders also act like this then there will be no concept of Metro Cities in the World.
IFF they want to do anything good to their state of City let them see the proportion of moneteary gains the city and state is getting bcause of foreign and Other state people
These Tackery and Sena people are acting like Britishers by using the principle of DIVIDE & RULE in the name of Language Region. If they r real leaders for the benifit of their people where were they hiding when the 26/11 happend shameless unethical Dark hearted people. Maharastara still belongs in India and we r all Indians if you r real politicians do something for the benifit of people and country not for Ur Selfish Hidden Agendas
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February 02,2010 at 12:59 PM IST
Hi,
Basically it is very Simple !
Just shun anyone who spreads hatred leading to violence and accept and nurture that sensible voice !
Never ever get at the throat of your own neighbour [you can't choose them but have to accept them] at the behest of any of the hate merchants !!
Whether it is :
Hitler
Osama
Religious Terrorists
Narendra Modi or his Associates
Naxalites
Self proclaimed Bombay Goons !!!
There lies the Salvation for our Great INDIA [Mother Land]
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February 02,2010 at 01:58 PM IST
Well said......fully agree with you
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February 02,2010 at 01:03 PM IST
It’s disheartening to see you guys...fighting with each other...plz stop this non sense...don't fell prey to cheap politics...else days are near...we are a developing nation then under developed and finally in state of Somalia...what message are you sending to globe...that Indians are stupid..They don't have something meaningful to do...then keep fighting in name of religion/region/language/caste etc.
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February 02,2010 at 01:03 PM IST
To All,
I don't think we need pakistani terrorists to destroy our country when we have well educated and Indian terrorists in the forms of Marathis, Biharis, Punjabis, etc.
Be a better human first, then a better Indian, then a better son, and then finally a better north indian, east indian, south indian or west indian.
Damn you guys for all this political bullshit that you have been spreading in my country.
When mumbai attack happened, paki terrorists attacked INDIANS, not marathis or biharis. Atleast they have that sense which you losers don't.
When bravemen from MUMBAI POLICE fought against terrorists, they fought for INDIANS, not marathis. In the same way, when NSG came for rescue, they came for INDIANS not marathis or biharis.
Get a life losers. These politicians are ruining your minds.
I am an HR professional in a big MNC and I am responsible for the training and development of the employees of my company where INDIANS from all the regions come and work.
I was born and brought up in J&K and PUNJAB and work in DELHI with many colleagues from Maharashtra, Bihar, Kolkata and other parts of MY COUNTRY.
If I start thinking like you that I need to develop the employees only from PUNJAB and J&K, then I would be the first person to hate my sole existence.
Just wake up and use your logical senses for God's sake.
And Mr. Saxena, you also shut the bloody crap that you wrote in this blog. To hell with the name and taxiwallas, don't generalize things like this and add fuel in the fire.
I read your blog thinking it to be a positive change in the scene. But sad to say that it wasn't. It was no better then the propaganda started by MNS or SS.
I sincerely wish for a STATELESS INDIA and a day when all INDIANS will introduce themselves to the whole world by saying "I BELONG TO THE UNITED NATION OF INDIANS."
God save MY COUNTRY from these losers.
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February 02,2010 at 02:00 PM IST
I fully agree with you whoever you are.
I wish all Indians had the same positive thinking.
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February 02,2010 at 01:04 PM IST
parker dude,have u forgotten that you are living in a secular country,famed and respected for its unity in diversity???that bombay is a part of india first and then maharashtra is common sense which has become rare nowadays.and before you tell someone to go back to bihar,remember that that person might have contributed much more to mumbai to become what it is than yourself.so keep your baseless linguistic differences to yourself and think before you write!
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February 02,2010 at 03:36 PM IST
dude kapido,
really common sence is uncommon now-a-days. Tell me how a baby could belong to father first than his mother. You really are dumb. MUMBAI belongs to MAHARASHTRA first and MAHARASHTRA belongs to INDIA. Understand.
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ok.exactly by your logic, if i am a non marathi born and brought up in mumbai, then i am a MUMBAIKAR first, then a MAHARASHTRIAN, then an INDIAN.then what i ask is, even if i am a mumbaikar, WHY AM I BEING KICKED OUT OF MY OWN CITY??? lets see your if your comon sense induces some awareness in your brain ......
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February 02,2010 at 02:05 PM IST
if biharis r that much capable to makeover any city then y they not applying their capability to lift bihar
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hey i am not talking about biharis alone.the heights to which mumbai has reached is because of the combined contributions of each and every mumbaikar, be it a gujarati,bihari,maharashtrian or a tamilian.then why should the non maharashtrians not have an equal right over it????
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February 02,2010 at 01:06 PM IST
Shobhna's article is really very thoughtful. Yes, its true that now a days Mumbai is just meant to be for only Marathis. People from the other parts of country are not safe in Mumbai. To down with Thackerays and all their bloody politics.
People should come out in a way to vanish these cockroaches from our society. All of us need to think about it and take the necessary action as soon as possible. Otherwise the day is not so far when Mumbai will be the city for only Marathi people.
Both Shiv Sena and MNS has always tried to create disturbances in the city. They did it in 1970's, 1990's and now again they are looting the peace of this beautiful city.
We are living in a democratic country and everybody has a right to stay anywhere for his/her livelihood. All of us need to be wake up and put our contributions to save Mumbai from these bloody swines.
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February 02,2010 at 02:02 PM IST
i think u r marwadi then kindly give this speech to ur guger community
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February 02,2010 at 01:07 PM IST
the whole Thackeray clan is nothing but a bunch of goons...genetic crap...both uncle and nephew should be sent to deepest jungles of Africa or hung upside down and flogged in public...take out North Indians from Mumbai and what do you have...Bollywood replaced by Marathi cinema...why not sack/beat up Marathis elsewhere in India...
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February 02,2010 at 02:00 PM IST
if u have that much anger then leave this city who ask u to stay
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February 02,2010 at 01:08 PM IST
an awesome article!!!very thought provoking and realistic.i congratulate mr.saxena for bringing out the reality in public.continue the great work!!!
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February 02,2010 at 01:12 PM IST
Mr Peter,
Can u just shut up and log off. U are one useless creature on earth........no one needs u and even Mumbai doesn't need you.........
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February 02,2010 at 01:12 PM IST
I really see a big joke over here.One fighting for marathi,one fighting for Hindi like idiots in a English newspaper blog.
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February 02,2010 at 01:36 PM IST
true...I agree with u,true indian
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February 02,2010 at 01:16 PM IST
People are using the most important gift of Indian Sovereignty "Freedom Of Speech" to their own advantage by creating a rift between the communities living peacefully here.
People misusing Freedom of speech should be barred from it completely.
Encroachment should be stopped, No Doubt. But not by beating up people. Other ways need to be discussed, and this is the place to do so.
Who are the politicians be it the Gandhi's or the Thackeray's to decide who Mumbai belongs to.
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February 02,2010 at 01:18 PM IST
Wonderful article by saxena.Save a great city,Bombay,before it is too late.It looks maharastra/bombay is private property of Bal/Raj/Udhava family and all other marathis are impotent anmd their subjects and servants.
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February 02,2010 at 01:29 PM IST
All problems can be solved by one action by the Central Government - Ban all SENAS IN THE COUNTRY
EXCEPT THE 3 SENAS OF OUR NATIONAL SECURITY SERVICES.
The sooner the better; before our country disintegrates because of irresponsible self-serving so called leaders.
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February 02,2010 at 01:29 PM IST
Ms. Shobhan Saxena....DONT FORGET ITS MUMBAI NOT BOMBAY....PLEASE READ THE HISTORY OF MUMBAI
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February 02,2010 at 01:29 PM IST
Terrific article, hats of dude !!....The big question - who allowed this guy write in a newspaper like ToI. Right from the heading to the substance, the article is a classic case of - how not to write....am not saying I support what is happening in the name of "Marathi Manoos" but....this is not accepted....
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February 02,2010 at 01:33 PM IST
india must reclaim kashmir first...
n its Mumbai dear......not BOMBAY
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February 02,2010 at 01:34 PM IST
wat Mr saxena has penned down is absolutely right..let us get the facts rite..Mr saxena is not pointing that the marathi manoos should be thrown out of mbai..wat he intends to convey is that r residents from UP n bihar also deserve a decent living in mbai n not treated as outsiders..who are we to decide whoz to stay n whoz to not..if we could channelize r energies to sumthn more constructive ,we could be doing our city a huge favour..grow up guys!!!
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February 02,2010 at 01:38 PM IST
all the comments are opportunistic and will not do anything good as a nation to india or as a state to Maharashtra
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February 02,2010 at 01:45 PM IST
After seeing all these comments it makes one see the amount of hatred we all have for each other. India unity in diversity. Ya right!!
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February 02,2010 at 01:47 PM IST
I can understand that Marathi manoos feel the need to promote their culture in Mumbhai. But is violence a way to achieve it? You guys have every right to fight for your rights. Why don't you talk to the govt and stop hating the non-marathi public in mumbai? Beating up north indians or blasting mukesh ambani / sachin will never fix your problems. And for god sake stop treating Shivsena/MNS as gods who will fix your problems... Their methods of protest will never do good and are totally undemocratic. I dont know what they want to prove by terrorising movie stars. Shiv sena is protesting against australians who treat indian badly. I see no difference b/n aussies and shiv sainiks. Aussies say indians not allowed.. shiv sena says north indians not allowed. Please stop these hate politics. Differences can be sorted out peacefully without hurting fellow indians. Dont fall for politicians who cash on their ability to divide..
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February 02,2010 at 01:51 PM IST
In 3 yrs Saxena has seen a lot - he's seen taxi drivers too. But Saxena is not a taxi driver - so he is deceitful (not honest), slothful (not hardworking) and crafty (not simple). In fact he is such a deviant that living in the city he finds it amusing to refer to it by its colonial name thereby insulting the millions of true citizens of Mumbai. Saxena, we would love for you to go and rot your hell-hole. Thats your place and we (taxi drivers included) do not care if rodents refuse to feed on your rotten carcass.
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February 02,2010 at 01:57 PM IST
It is very sad that these political outfits pick on things and elements against the federal nature of our country. If they have the kind of grassroot base to press such points, there should have been no terrorist attack on our country, especially in the very nerve center of the City; these outfits should use their strength for good purposes i.e. check on drugs smugglers, hoarders, black money / black market and root out any such elements that has proven anti-national character. This way, without internal squabble, our Country will be prosperous and there will be no such issue for want of opportunities.
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February 02,2010 at 01:59 PM IST
Claps..Claps!!!!!!
Good job my fellow Indians... all these comments show why Britain ruled over us by applying Divide and Rule policy.
We still are the same, ready to divide again on not at all worthy comments of Politicians. Its good u all have sentiments our for your people, your land and your culture but aren't we wasting time on these issues.
I am a Maharashtrian, born in Madhya Pradesh, brought up in Uttar Pradesh, High schooling in Chhattisgarh and now job in Maharashtra... and i tell u all there is no difference at all between the commoners. We all are same.. we all are one. Please don't divide the nations in your heart. Nation has high hopes on us and we should not exaggerate based on such comments.
Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas main bair rakhna.... Hindi hain hum watan hai HINDUSTAN hamara
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hey man kudos to you for bringing such a point to the forefront!!! i completely agree with your view and wish that every marathi manoos realizes and understands this fact.
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February 02,2010 at 02:09 PM IST
Great job Mr. Shobhan! awesome research work with Oxford (dictionary) to convert Bom-Bay into Portuguese...what a coincidence that they had Mumbapuri under their rule long time ago...but everyone knows how record keeping is done in India so are we supposed to believe what British/Portuguese and others who had their presence in India few centuries ago?
Regarding, others making Mumbai RICH...if you know Indian political history...for more than 40 years North India has given prime-ministers to Independent India yet I wonder how did it happen that North India was lagging in providing sufficient employment opportunities to population there and they had to migrate to Mumbai in search of better employment/living standards. It was because Maharashtra's political leadership created more than required employment opportunities thus offering them to people of other states. one thing Raj Thackare (let me clear one thing, I don't support all of Raj Thackare's action but I think we need to pay more attention to this issue in a different way) mentioned seems to be true...if North Indians can make Mumbai so rich why they can't they make their own states like Mumbai.
I don't understand why there is an issue if anyone coming to Mumbai has to learn Marathi? if Indians working in other countries can learn that country's language why can't it be same for those who want to work and live in Mumbai? give some credit to Maharashtrians for being so flexible with Hindi.
Those having issues with Marathi,Mumbai and Maharashtra...can you dare to talk in the same way about residents of southern states...Tamilnadu/Karnatka/Kerla...if not then please stop writing foolish blogs...one thing to remember...those who created states in Independent India on linguistic basis should have foreseen these issues.
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Apart from the author's truly "awsome" research, this statement: "The third lie is that the North Indians do not respect the local culture and local people. Again a pure lie. I have lived in Bombay for three years and the only people who are honest, hard-working, simple are the taxiwallahs and street vendors, all of whom come from UP and Bihar." This is someone who claims to respect the locals!! He obviously can't even argue his case logically.
To my mind, the root of the problem is the gradual alienation of the Marathi speaking community in Mumbai is the constant denigration of their contribution to Bombay/Mumbai which has given the Shiv Sena and the MNS the platform for their brand of xenophobic politics.
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February 02,2010 at 02:20 PM IST
This is not the way,I think their politicians should not be allowed in mumbai. I think,people of UP and Bihar have the right opportunity now.Assembly elections are coming up,ask them about their development in their state. The whole india,who claims to be a True indian should ask the politicians of UP and Bihar.
I dont think so,Mr.Balasaheb Thackeray or Raj thackeray is doing wrong thing.Take it in a positive way.And use the right opportunity to ask your politicians.
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February 02,2010 at 02:25 PM IST
Well...the song all these marathi manoos asses keep on singing as to how the people from north come n steal their jobs..the truth is ...most of the people higher up the corporate ladders are non marathi manoos...they hv been brought to Mumbai by these corporates...evaluate this sweethearts..mebbe these corporates dont find good enuf people amongst the locals !!! :D..thts y they hv to get people from outside...if you happen use ur retarded brains n see the number of students in IITs /IIMs and other prestigious colls...80% happen to b either from North or southern states...mebbe its time u guys should stop cribbing and actually start using your brains...
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February 02,2010 at 02:28 PM IST
Damn good article written by you Mr. Shobhana. In Maharahstra, there are so many problems like continous Suiside cases of Farmer, Load shading, UnEmployment, Naxalite etc etc etc.(List will go on if) Why these so called as Marathi Politicians are not concentrating on this issues? If these have really guts or daring why don't they go to GADCHIROLI and show their power by removing these NAXALITE and helping to our Tribal people?
"We are Firstly and Lastly INDIAN" - Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar.
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February 02,2010 at 02:32 PM IST
HEY GUYS,WHILE READING THIS BLOG I REALIZED THAT WHEREVER THE FAULT LIES, BUT I STILL LOVE MUMBAI. BEING A MUSLIM AND BORN IN MUMBAI I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER STATES AND PROSPER OVER HERE. MUMBAI HAS ALWAYS WELCOMED THEM WITH OPEN ARMS. IF THE PEOPLE OF MUMBAI HAD NOT BOUGHT PAN BEEDIS CIGARETTES FROM THE BHAIYYA HOW WOULD UP HA VE PROSPERED, IF THE PEOPLE OF MUMBAI HAD NOT BOUGHT THE IMPORTED GOODS FROM THE MULBERRY HOW WOULD KERALA HAVE PROSPERED ?, IF THE PEOPLE OF MUMBAI HAD NOT HAD THE WADA SAMBARS AND MASALA DOSAS FROM THE UDIPI RESTAURANTS HOW WOULD KARNATAKA HE HAVE PROSPERED? ALL IN ALL MUMBAI IS THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FROM ALL STATES HAVE COME AS POOR AND BECAME RICH. HOWEVER, THE MUMBAITE IS STIL L WHERE HE WAS 30 YEARS AGO. WHY ? BECAUSE, ALL THE GOVERNMNET JOBS HAVE BEEN SATURATED WITH PEOPLE FROM OTHER STATES WHILE THE MUMBAIYA IS UNEMPLOYED! THE AVERAGE MUMBAITE IS STILL TRAVELLING IN THE SAME CRAMPED LOCAL TRAIN! THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THE MUMBAITES HAVE LOTS OF PATIENCE AND IRRESPECTIVE OF CAST AND CREED HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FRIENDLY WITH ALL. ITS ONLY THE POLITICIANS WHO ARE DIVIDING THEM AND MUMBAITES SHOULD NOT FALL PREY TO THIS. MUMBAI IS A SYMBOL OF UNITED INDIA. NOWHERE IN ANY STATE CAN ANYONE FIND PEOPLE OF ALL STATES IN ONE AREA BUT ITS MUMBAI WHERE YOU CAN FIND THIS WHERE PEOPLE FROM ALL STATES LIVING IN HARMONY, BE IT IN THE HOUSING COLONIES OF BANDRA, VIKHROLI, OR THE HIGHRISES OF LOKANDWALA, HIRANANDANI, OR THE SLUMS OF DHARAVI, DAHISAR, MAHIM ; ALL RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES ARE CELEBRATED BY ALL CASTES WITH THE SAME FERVOUR. THEREFORE GUYS ITS NOT THE MUMBAITES WHO ARE THE CULPRITS, BUT THE POLITICIANS WHO ARE TO BLAME FOR TRYING TO CREATE A DIVIDE. FINALLY, I THINK ALL MUMBAITES LOVE BEING CALLED MUMBAITES RATHER THAN BOMBAYITES, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME FROM OTHER STATES WANT TO STILL CALL IT BOMBAY THEN ITS THEIR PROBLEM.
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February 02,2010 at 02:43 PM IST
I agree with the author that the tax comes in Mumbai is because many companies have their head quaters here. Mumbai is precisous not only because of its heritage but the money here.
But this is a fading glory as many corporates have moved out of Mumbai. High rent, cost of living, unfavourable economic and political climate have forced the companies to go to NCR, Delhi, Gujarat, AP and Karnataka. TATA Nano plant is in Gujarat not in Pune. IT and banking HUB are now in Chennai and Hyd'bad and have moved out of Mumbai. Quality education is also now available in other states hence the students population are also moving out.
I dont want this to happen and wish that these political parties grow up and create a favourable envirnoment for the development of Maharashtra then playing bad politics for getting votes. The people of Maharashtra are a learned lot they cannot be fooled by such tactics. 99% people of Maharashtra are peaceful and progressive people they will not vote for voilence and terror.
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February 02,2010 at 02:44 PM IST
omg.. its feels as if mumbai is a seperate country all together.. !!
not even 10 % of the business in mumbai is owned by marathi's. the city has come to this level by the joint efforts of gujratis, marwadis. parsis and ppl from various communities. marathis are taking undue advantage of the sheer fact that mumbai is in maharashtra. this can not be the reason that they claim their right on all jobs and resources in mumbai. they are not the ones who are employing ppl its mainly the business lobby in mumbai that produces job and i guess hardly any marathi belongs to that lobby.. !!!
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February 02,2010 at 02:48 PM IST
India should reclaim Kashmir,Arunachal Pradesh first...why to shout about mumbai only??...Mr saxena is out of mind...get some rest uncle....
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February 02,2010 at 02:55 PM IST
Undoubtedly the worst editorial i have seen in quite some time..
1)Its Mumbai and not Bombay..The name has been officially changed to Mumbai by the Supreme Court like it has done with Chennai and Kolkata..I think u should respect that..
2)You r talking as if the MNS and Shiv Sena goons are killing North Indians by hundreds every day..It is clear that u have so sense of the ground reality at all..
3)'it seems very soon people from other parts of the country will need a visa to travel to Bombay'-is just nonsensical and very naive of u..
4)Have we forced any of the big PSU and private companies to open their HQ in Mumbai??If they are not happy with what is going on then they can happily move out..But the questions is whether they can or will??
Infact big and small PSU's have invested hundreds of thousands of Crores in projects in states like Bihar, Jharkhand, Orissa ,WB,UP and MP whereas states like Maharashtra and Gujarat have had very little or no investment's at all..Inspite of that Maharashtra and Gujarat are 2 of the most industrialized states in India contributing huge amounts to the national exchequer..The work culture, the entrepreneurial skills,political establishment, economic environment and a very rich human resource (culturally and intellectually) in Maharashtra and Gujarat are the primary a reason why people come here for business and this is also the reason why Mumbai stands as the financial capital of this country..Mumbai is today where it because of the immense contribution of the Marathi's, Gujju's and Parsi's over the years..
'Ask any foreign tourist what he finds the best about Bombay and the answer would be – taxis. They are cheap, safe and friendly' - Ask him the same question when he returns from Bihar or UP..
I am not against the North Indians coming to Mumbai ..But while u are having your own hate campaigns against the SS or the MNS u forget the fact that many good Marathi Manoos get offended by u r language and attitude..
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February 02,2010 at 03:08 PM IST
This refusal of the writer to call the city as Mumbai in itself shows how migrats don't respect the local culture...i don't know from where the writer got his history lessons...but I assure you Mr. Saxena, even in the times of Shivaji, this city was referred to as Mumbai by local Marathi people...and whats this thing? only honest people in Mumbai are UPwallas n Biharis??? Well you you guys want to show this much honesty...why don't you back to your own states and show honesty there...n make those states prosper...in stead of doing us a favour by staying here in Mumbai...
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February 02,2010 at 03:15 PM IST
The Authors views do highlight the problem as it exists but we need a solution don't we?
Sometime back way before the elections in one of these blogs I presented my opinion and very humbly asked TOI to create an awareness campaign about how much do we allow our so called politicians to fight for us.
The parties such as MNS, SS, etc etc are plain opportunists who do want to gain popularity as saviors and messiahs of the Bombayites or mumbaikars or whatever.
1. Shobana please pay attention to this that any such issue which is a non issue should be given less coverage. The more the press coverage the more is the zeal shown by these cheap politicians.
2. Any protest/procession should be taken out at the risk of the organizer which means all that which happens during the protest/procession resulting in injury, loss of life and property should be compensated to by the organizer. The press should encourage the public to make this point to their representatives. Every now and then I see on the slightest pretext these political parties particularly, a few, take out a goonda procession stopping traffic, creating a lot of discomfort to the office goers, students and businessmen. Not to forget ransacking of premises, beating innocents etc.
Any party which voices such regional, communal issues can do it within the boundaries of civility and with the consent of the public otherwise the press should completely ban coverage to such activity as well as police should be strictly told to not grant any permission.
When our country is growing we fear outside elements from disrupting the calm but truly we have enemies right in our own house in the form of these foolishly elected reps who need to be tamed and guided in maintaining a level of decency.
If we recall Sonia had said that no criminals should be allowed to take part in any elections. Wish and pray this comes into existence or our progress will never be a reality. A regional feeling makes the enemies of India very happy.
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February 02,2010 at 03:20 PM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 04:17 PM IST
@Deepak
Very well put.
Most of the people of Bombay(Mumbai)(I still prefer to call this city Bombay, as my Birth Certificate still carries that name for this city, and I am sure so does for Raj
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a fantastic point, shubhada!!!! i hope raj thackeray reads this....
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February 05,2010 at 01:39 AM IST
well said deepak!! your article proves that the mindless efforts and stupid threats of shiv sena and mns, just to garner marathi votes is completely futile.....
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February 02,2010 at 03:30 PM IST
I was a fan of Times OF India, but feel ashamed to see to host a such blog by a useless writer.
Thanks TOI for employing such a "idiot" editor!
Henceforth I will rethink twice before picking up your newspaper!!
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February 02,2010 at 03:39 PM IST
Mumbai belongs to Koli fishermen community. These upper caste people came to Mumbai from different places and put it under Maharashtra. Thakery and family are no where related to Mumbai as they are non-Koli. All the non-Koli communities are responsible for Mumbai's fall.
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February 02,2010 at 03:43 PM IST
i think it is history of maharashtra that they demand for the jobs just because they were born in Maharashtra.Mr BR Ambedkar has incilcated such habit
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February 02,2010 at 04:04 PM IST
Had Indian states not divided linguistically there would have been bigger problems than that of today. All the study commission have indicated that educations must be in simplified local language. This have been compromised in last 60 years of Republic. Ambedkar and Gandhi Advocated linguistic approach but then Nehru failed to implement it in better way.
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February 02,2010 at 03:48 PM IST
This thakeray family is now acting like Bhindrawala acted ... no wonder if they face the same fate .. well at least that will be a good show(and last by this family)!
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February 02,2010 at 03:49 PM IST
I wonder how times of India has allowed such a ammature write a column
Shame on times of india
All one sided comments
I dont want to see hutments and people sleeping on road, railway stations and under the bridges any more...just next to my posh place...
I hate you.....
dude come to mumbai
Travel in trains and buses....feel the heat....
and then say....
Mumbai for all...yeah it is for all..
but comeon ...
dont *cuk around here
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February 02,2010 at 03:49 PM IST
It is "Mumbai" NOT Bombay!
Why don't u guys respect the local Marathi language and Marathi people. Whats wrong if the priority is given to the local Marathis?
Everywhere else in the country especially in South & in Kolkata they give priority to locals, then why not in Mumbai?
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February 03,2010 at 03:40 PM IST
Raj,
I do not agree with you at all Calcutta or Madras or for that matter any state all is India. Are we Indians or Marathis or Tamils or Kannadidigas or Gujaratis?
I sometimes ask do we need people from across the border to disrupt and trouble the Indians? We have many such people right here to be the handymen of those who want our country to be tattered and torn to bits and pieces. We are soo blinded by Language, regional feelings, communal mindedness and economic status that we will be willing to dig the graves of our own countrymen just to make our non issue to become an issue. I can say it is a SHAME.
How much ever be the development within our country we will never be willing to shred those dirty tags of language, region, religion, status.
Not to forget our dear politicians will play their game of instigating the masses time and again on petty issues and keep them busy with this so that they can get in to the halls of governance and make some quick money and encourage corruption.
I wish we Indians open our eyes and learn to differentiate between a non issue and an issue.
Yes we say this is Democracy in reality with leaders like the ones we have it needs to be redefined as DEMO-CRAZY.
What are the issues raised Bombay renamed to Mumbai, Calcutta renamed to Kolkata, Madras renamed to Chennai what rubbish. Who propped up these illiterate cheap politicians ? WE.
Now its time for repentance and the best way is unseat these goondas and bring in young, literate, broadminded, civilized leaders who will lead this country in this century.
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February 02,2010 at 03:50 PM IST
tata is a parsi and parsi community has given so much to mumbai infact we have a parsi colony dedicated for them.we respect parsis and tata for that. Ambani is a chor the whole legacy of ambani is tainted so they will be well off in patna. jindal goes we will invite mittal. Its strange all the names you have mention non is interested toinvest in up or bihar strange.
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and its strange that none of the names that u mentioned is a marathi.. u always work under a non marathi.. thts the fact..
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February 02,2010 at 03:59 PM IST
If this is the case inside india...no wonder Australians are hammering indians there
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February 02,2010 at 04:03 PM IST
why maharastrians need mumbai well the answer is simple find me another mumbai in india and i will relocate. mumbai is the showcase of maharashtrian culture. you dont want to mess with it. hutatma chowk will always remind me of the blood that was shed when mumbai was tried to be taken away from maharashtra just as a maharashtrian cannot claim patna no bhaiiya can claim mumbai as their own.
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February 02,2010 at 06:07 PM IST
Before independence there was no Maharashtra, how can you say that Mumbai showcases Maharashtrian culture. Mumbai showcases cosmo culture.
If you really want to see Marathi culture you may need to go to Sangli or Satara.
And moreover, now India has more number of Mega cities. Atleast one in every state, but you might not have seen as you are not Indian. You should visit different parts of India to see the kind of togetherness and similarity.
But people like you will always try to see the differences. If Mumbai loses the cosmo status, it will be a loss to everyone. Most of the industrial units have already shifted to Gujarat because of real issues not resolved in Mumbai.
Why there is always debate on Mumbai wheb MS is a large state. Vidarbha and Marathwada are so backward, more than 1000 farmers have died. Why SS and MNS are not doing anything there to protect those poor people.
There are lot many issues within Maharashtra, but SS, Congress, MNS try to misguide people so that people are divided against corruption, price rise, mafia-builder nexus, etc.
Please awake against all these.....
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February 02,2010 at 04:05 PM IST
Hi Guys,
I consider myself a indian first and then a mumbaite.As i was born,brought up, educated ,settled all here.I celebrate Ganpati with my neighbours as happily as christmas. No issues. Can i suggest judiciary to get into act and PREVENT ALL the so called good politicians to avoid spreading this new viral of hatred.
People wake up dont let this bunch of selfish politicians make a fool of ourselves again and again....
Regards
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February 02,2010 at 04:05 PM IST
i love mumbai,i love bihar and UP.i love my INDIA.
ITS BETTER TO FIGHT AMONG US RATHER TO BRITISHERS.
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February 02,2010 at 04:10 PM IST
I wonder how times of India has allowed such a ammature write a column
Shame on times of india
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I dont want to see hutments and people sleeping on road, railway stations and under the bridges any more...just next to my posh place...
I hate you.....
dude come to mumbai
Travel in trains and buses....feel the heat....
and then say....
Mumbai for all...yeah it is for all..
but comeon ...
dont *cuk around here
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You are absolutely right man....but i even when we try to speak with well educated North Indians, they turn their eye away from the root cause of the problem - undeveloped UP n Bihar. Then, i started getting feeling that it is ok if SS n MNS hit these guys, atleast that would create fear in their minds and they will run away from maharashtra
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Hi Amol,
It is all problem created by psedudo secular parties Congress/NCP (UPA), who wants to be in power to mint money by promoting all ill things.
See @what rate Bihar is progresing with change in govt. The same should happen to UP also..to stop this menance.
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February 02,2010 at 04:15 PM IST
Hi Guys,
I consider myself a indian first and then a mumbaite.As i was born,brought up, educated ,settled all here.I celebrate Ganpati with my neighbours as happily as christmas. No issues. Can i suggest judiciary to get into act and PREVENT ALL the so called good politicians to avoid spreading this new viral of hatred.
People wake up dont let this bunch of selfish politicians make a fool of ourselves again and again....
Regards
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February 02,2010 at 07:05 PM IST
Right said man and I support what u said.This was a issue to be raised but this politician have raised in wrong way.How many times we think of raising this issues but we dont have time and it is not our way also.The centre should think about it .
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February 02,2010 at 04:15 PM IST
Dear Times of India & Mr. OR Ms. Shobhan 'a',
I think in Bihar you hardly had studied anything so I will like to correct your History ...Mumbai name is based on local goddess name...Mumbadevi which is near Opera House...I hope that much knowledge you will have..."Mumba" "Aai"-means Mother in local Marathi...became Mumbai!!
Please correct your local history and then go to Protugese history!
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February 02,2010 at 04:15 PM IST
Mumbai had been chosen for cosmolitan because of its climate, location and other factors. It was first chosen to be developed by Portuguese since for them it’s a good bay, the name Bombay thus given by them. It is a port from where easy connection is there to Middle East and Europe. It is shortest distance from Suez Canal also. Climate is good and not extreme unlike north.
Thus Portuguese and then Britishers who took Mumbai from Portuguese as dowry started developing here. Later Gujratis, and other outsiders built Mumbai. Now once it is developed and everything done, these Marathis want everyone to go out and leave Mumbai for them alone so that they can now alone exploit the luxury and lavish of Mumbai.
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February 02,2010 at 04:21 PM IST
Mumbai had been chosen for cosmolitan because of its climate, location and other factors. It was first chosen to be developed by Portuguese since for them it’s a good bay, the name Bombay thus given by them. It is a port from where easy connection is there to Middle East and Europe. It is shortest distance from Suez Canal also. Climate is good and not extreme unlike north.
Thus Portuguese and then Britishers who took Mumbai from Portuguese as dowry started developing here. Later Gujratis, and other outsiders built Mumbai. Now once it is developed and everything done, these Marathis want everyone to go out and leave Mumbai for them alone so that they can now alone exploit the luxury and lavish of Mumbai.
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February 02,2010 at 04:36 PM IST
Half baked truths. The Mumbai existed even before portuguese came to India. In fact Mumbai was part of Ashoka in ancient India( see caves in Mahakali or Borivali) and then to Muslims then to Portuguese.
Even you are saying that gujrati's are outsiders.
The land is in Maharashtra and Marathi people were the last one to fell for Britishers.
Marathi people did as many things as other people in Indai have done. Yes this is true that Marathi people are not in Business. But that doesn't mean that they didn't contribute in system.
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February 02,2010 at 05:49 PM IST
And you must be knowing Ashoka a Maurian ruler was from Magadh i.e modern Bihar. This means Maharashtra was under Bihar :)
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February 03,2010 at 08:06 AM IST
OK, Swati, but obviously Ashok was not a Bihari---otherwise he would not have been so sensible.
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February 02,2010 at 05:51 PM IST
why is it that marathis are so scared to compete with (their definition of) 'outsiders' within maharashtra. Is it that they fear they wont be able to cope and will lose their livelyhood?
It's a shame that they can only shout, complain, or fight to defend their so called rights without trying the correct approach - through hard work.
in fact the only time i hear about marathis in news nowadays is when shiv sena or mns are attempting their dumb political stunts.
wondering if these two parties were to disappear one night; the next day nobody in BOMBAY would probably know who marathis are!!!
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February 08,2010 at 07:37 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 02,2010 at 05:36 PM IST
You are partly right. I do not think every Maharashtrian thinks the way idiots from MNS and Shiv Sena think and secondly if everybody is gone then all the Luxuries would be gone too.
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February 02,2010 at 05:38 PM IST
dear, mumbai is geographically part of maharashtra. who developed it or exploited it is not the question. tomorrow you will go to uganda and exploit it and claim it as your own...it does not work that way....boooohooo....mumbai surrounded by maharashtra on all sides...booohoooo
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February 02,2010 at 04:25 PM IST
And this is the India Mahatma Gandhi had his vision for!!! I hope the people of mumbai realise that there is no glory in creating this division. The only people to suffer are the people who will be earning their day to day bread and butter stuggling. If there is little shame left for the tollers, please put a stop to this divide and rule policy.
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February 02,2010 at 04:34 PM IST
Guys, all said and done, lets try to be a better human and respect all castes and religions, coz even if we are the best of Maharashtrians, Bihari, Christians, Sikhs, etc (its a long list) or from anywhere, does it all really make sense if we are not a good human being?
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February 02,2010 at 04:42 PM IST
shobhan is a UP bastard. Does he know that not only mumbai but also pune , nagpur , kolhapur , sangli are rich & developed cities & contribute well towards indias GDP.UP/Bihar people have still not reached these cities except mumbai/Pune That shows maharashtrains are disiplined,transparent people.no city in UP/Bihar is as good as the above mentioned cities of maharashtra.indeed UP & bihari rogues have fucked not only maharashtra but also punjab , assam & karnataka where they are beaten up & harrased by the localites for their own mischief. Due to their presence there is loss of governance & law order problems & whole country is suffering , maharashtra is not an exception.
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February 02,2010 at 06:24 PM IST
Dear Advait,
How much India you have seen ??
MS has slipped from number 1 state to 5. It will continue till SS, MNS and people like you exist. If you are so confident of Marathi people then why the hell you are afraid to compete ?
And FYI, UP produces maximum foodgrain for India and Noida is way ahead of all cities in MS together except Mumbai/Pune. It has IT parks, film city and many more things to offer. Lucknow, Kanpur, Agra, Bareily, and 10s of large cities growing very fast and very soon you will need to go there for opportunity and you will be welcomed.
You should not criticise any place or langauge. Do you know Ayodhya/ Mathura are the places where god preferred to take birth.
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February 02,2010 at 07:35 PM IST
Just go to the facts . Search for "highest per capita income , districts of india" . You will find Muzaffarnagar in Western UP. Has hihest per capita income other than metro , and 8th in world. solely based on agriculture , Pune with all his industries is too far.
Dear friend , maharashtra is just not mumbai and pune , just look at villages , highest suicide cases comes from Maharashtra.
What SS
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February 05,2010 at 02:49 PM IST
every maharstrian who is proud of their economic and social advancement has a right to be so BUT my poin is that you should not forget that once bengal was in samilar proud situation and quit similar things happened over there from 1980's to 2006 and where are they now what happened to their culture, education and industry... and situation through which mumbi is going through these days, rest of india will soon witness another bengal and then we will ask where is the proud of marathi manoos 'now' and believe me it will not affecT countrie's whole economi as other states are ready to take advantage of this situation and opening themselves for businesss houses. and it had already begun business have started moving towards north becAuse of their openness and avalibility of resources. be proud to be maharastrian but we sall sonn see how your proud feeds you in near future my dear marathi manoos...
and one more thing dear 'marathi manoos thing supporters' go and have a look on the developement rates of some states U.P. and Bihar particularly, see you people have given us that very opportunity for which we were starving THANKING ALL MARATHI MANOOSES....thanks a lot and go to hell we north indians don't care AND DON'T YOU EVER DARE TO COME CLOSE TO NORTH INDIA OR YOU WILL PAY LIKE HELL...
WE SHALL SEE AND LAUGH OVER YOU SOON...
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February 02,2010 at 04:55 PM IST
Hell with Shivsena and hell with MNS. These parties are just parting the indians into Maharashtrian & Non Maharashtrian.
They are against the attacks being made on Indians in Australia but they are doing the same. Australian goons are much better than MNS & Shivsena. They are attacking the people who are not from their country but what these parties are doing? The goons of these parties are attacking the people of its own country for the sake of Maharashtrian people. It seems that Maharashtrian people are so forlorn that they need goons to save their standings.
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February 02,2010 at 04:58 PM IST
Regionalism would not only destroy both BJP and Shiv Sena but would destroy India also and we may soon have only nations like Maharashtra, Punjab, Bangal, etc. and India may vanish. The writing on the wall should be seen by BJP and Shiv Sena who both say that they are nationalist parties. They must abandon regionalism just now in the national interest otherwise it would be too late.
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February 02,2010 at 05:02 PM IST
Congress and NCP are the main culprit for this this condition to arise. They should have stopped the influx on immigrants from the states like UP and Bihar long back but they ran more number of trains....encouraged slums just for vote bank.
This is true that if people the class (masses from UP Villages)are not kept in check that it creates more of a law and order situation. These states were already devastated by the rule of Lalu's, Maya kindof people. Thanks to the people of Bihar for electing leaders like Nitish who have turned around the situation making Bihar as second progressing state after Gujrat.
At some time Sena seemed to be saviour of Hindus but now with MNS (creation of Congress/NCP to kill Sena), Sena also seeking something to keep alive.
We must commend the stand taken by RSS and BJP in taking a strong and pro-national stand ....which Congress and other wants to follow not losing the credit!!!!
Educated people should understand.
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February 02,2010 at 05:05 PM IST
I am New To Blogging And Found this Article really Worthy. I Visit many pages of your Blog. And learn many things from these Article. thanks for this Great Article.
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February 02,2010 at 05:10 PM IST
Its very simple. The federal govt. should move
the head quarters of national banks and other
industries from Mumbai. In two weeks time it will
become Doomedbai. All bala dulha and their nephew
sahibs will come to senses.
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February 02,2010 at 05:40 PM IST
BY the way buddy, go and search what do you meant by federal system.
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February 02,2010 at 05:39 PM IST
Please do it. Can you do it. Give list of north indian cities where u can relocate and where u don't see pistols, rifles in every second persons hand!!!!
We will be very happy if it is done as soon as possible. I request, take some quick steps and shift at the urgent basis.
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February 02,2010 at 05:10 PM IST
Hell with Shivsena and hell with MNS. These parties are just parting the indians into Maharashtrian & Non Maharashtrian.
They are against the attacks being made on Indians in Australia but they are doing the same. Australian goons are much better than MNS & Shivsena. They are attacking the people who are not from their country but what these parties are doing? The goons of these parties are attacking the people of its own country for the sake of Maharashtrian people. It seems that Maharashtrian people are so forlorn that they need goons to save their standings.
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February 02,2010 at 05:11 PM IST
The governments at the centre and Mumbai should take this very seriously as it can escalate into some kind of freedom struggle which is foolish and cause lot of damage to the fabric of India sewn by our respceted elders. This could well be beginning of the disimtegration of India, going by the harsh words and senseless comments exchanged by either parties in this section.
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February 02,2010 at 05:31 PM IST
People must stand up and push back on the thackeray family. Firstly - why are they using the English words for the family name. He shd say thakre. Second - when the terrorsit event happened, he was hiding in his house (probably wearing a saffron sari), afraid to come out (including his son and nephew) - while we admired ratan tata watching the destruction to our country. Guys - wake up.
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February 02,2010 at 05:13 PM IST
A short and conscisely written article, articulating the key issues.
Very nice Ms. Saxena, Kudos to u.
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February 02,2010 at 05:22 PM IST
"the only people who are honest, hard-working, simple are the taxiwallahs and street vendors" i would totally agree with this state ment.. i have recently transfered from Pune to mumbai. Since i need to travel every day in Auto, for two years in pune and few months in mumbai. I would say that i had a fight with Pune Autowala almost every time i travel. While NEVER in mumbai yet. Although it may be nothing to do with Marathi and North Indian(I m none:) its just comparision bw may be Administration in two cities. But it is relevant enough to be noticable.
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February 02,2010 at 05:36 PM IST
Buddy, The comparison is correct. But the set-up of Pune and Mumbai is different. Even in Delhi and Kolkata you need to fight or pay more. I have been in pune for 4 years, I never had much problems and in Mumbai basically you expect every auto walla must come to where you want to go. The competition is more in Mumbai, but actually they are choking mumbai roads....
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February 02,2010 at 05:27 PM IST
This is human nature. When a guest arrive for few days, u welcome him and take his care. But if many guest come and plan to stay long. The host feels a problem. Initially, he try to manage with it but as things start going beyond his control, he speaks. When guest starts taking control of house, taking decisions without knowing hosts wish, he will naturally get perturbed and will start taking steps to regain his control and make it better living. Today Mumbai has come into that situation with population more than 3 crores. Soon, you will see bangalore ( population reaching 1 crores soon) , Hyderabad, Pune taking similar steps. Its high time developing some North Indian cities and bring back the balance. Steps like one happened in Nano Car case tells the story why companies prefer West and Southern states. This view need to be changed in North Indians!!!
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February 02,2010 at 06:01 PM IST
it is the people, all communities that have made Mumbai what it is today..
It is wrong to take benefit from the arriving masses who worked in Mumbai and then asking them to leave when its time to reap benefits.
is it even correct to assign exclusive rights and privileges to certain communities in certain cities/states. even if the answer is yes who decides which community for which city/state??
what of the north resident indians...where would they go whe their host countries tell them they are not white enough and should go back to india.
where should they go??? should it be based on communities or ethnicity again?? what happens if its inter community marriage???what of their children????
Karan - how can you even suggest that i'm a guest in my own country.....
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February 02,2010 at 08:11 PM IST
No question. everybody has contributed in Mumbai's present status.
Now you say, " It is wrong to take benefit from the arriving masses who worked in Mumbai and then asking them to leave when its time to reap benefits."
This is wrong. Did marathi people invited you, took ur benefits and are now throwing you? No, you came for yourself.
Rest, I did not understood anything you wrote about community, rights, privileges, ethnicity and bla bla. From where did brought this crap, I haven't even uttered a word about it.
Regarding being calling guest, do not try to dramatize it saying,"how can you even suggest that i'm a guest in my own country....."
Within family, if your cousin, or even you married sister or married and staying away brother come to ur home, he comes as a guest even though a close family member. People living in Mumbai would even agree to call their parents as guest in present living conditions.
SO, if you are leaving your native place and shifting you come as a guest for that new place.
What I suggested has a basis. You need to realize, in recent assembly elections, MNS won 13 seats and ~30 marginal defeats in their debut elections. And that too standing against Shivsena and BJP. They had only agenda. They had only one public figure and they won most of the seats in places like Nashik, Pune and Mumbai where there are more chances of fair elections. In other words this is how people staying in these place are feeling and thas why they selected their MNS representatives.
Instead of blaming each other, its high time to find a solution and develop other cities too in different part of India.
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February 03,2010 at 11:21 AM IST
if you cannot understand let me clarify..
firstly nobody has to invite me to live ot work in any part of india. that is my right.
or would you say those who came from pakistan during partition are also guests in india and should now go back?
i also meant NRI who have lived abroad for generations. if their host countries called them guests and throw them out, where should they go?
what of parsis..should they head back to iran as soon as the marathis decide its time...
who decides who is native to which place...you make it sound as if the marathis descended on Maharashtra from the heavens and so its their god given right.
as for dramatising, that's MNS forte or dont you read about them in news for reasons such as warnings, threats, beating up others - plain old goonda gardi...
are we not talking about Bombay...i thot shiv sena and mns and had poor show in recent elections in mumbai...who is in power right now?? is it congress??
fighting this way by mns or shiv sena for marathi manoos rights have likended them to the schedule caste/tribes who are not capable of getting their due to hard work or capability and have to depend on rather quotas or politicians' goonda gardi
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February 08,2010 at 10:35 PM IST
Some times you north indian say that you developed mumbai, some time you there are no jobs in your native place so you are in maharashtra to earn living, since 60 yoears maharashtra has shown humanity towards you all and now you have started pissing on marathi people, when marathi people say now it is enough, our cities are over crowded and we cannot get sufficient water to drink, electricity shortages not so many job opportunities to existing peoples, no proper foot paths to move around (because of street hawkers mainly from north india), open lands occupied by slum dwellers, increase in crime similar to up and bihar, over crowded trains and buses, beggars on each traffic signal, dis respect to local language and culture (people coming from north india don't even care to learn local language), now this north indian's want reservation in each aspect of mumbai, no play ground's or garden because over crowded cities, bhel puri vendors on beaches are destroying the sea.
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February 02,2010 at 05:32 PM IST
Congress is a weak party, they dont have any guts to throw out the sena.
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February 02,2010 at 05:33 PM IST
while we dont have to agree to mr.sinha's innovation of history. we must all agree that we are all indians first. people whether from Bihar or UP are our people, our own brothers. SS and MNS and SP have made the mistake of playing dirty politics here but we dont have to do the same. marathi, hindi, oriya are all our languages. just because i am from maharashtra and speak marathi does not mean other people and other languages are not mine. we all descended from the same group. let us stand as one and make our country and every state a great one.
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February 02,2010 at 05:37 PM IST
Hi Dhoban Sexana,
How did you feel when your name was toyed with. I hope by now you must either laughed or frowned, more chances of frowning.
I appreciate your time spent in researching about MUMBAI's name, but for quick reference heres a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai.
Whats the harm in naming a city after a goddess? whats the harm in using that name? why is Bhaiyyas more interested in "Bambai"?
You can name Bihar as "Bambai", no ones stopping you, atleast by using this word your state might get developed.
My friend, politicians are born for debates and verbal fights, If they all come to one consensus then a country cannot progress. Imagine a
scenario where they are all knowing each ones faults but all coming to one consensus that know one will expose or fight with anyone. India or for that matter any country will be in deep crisis.
You think congress is leading the nation or Maharashtra becuase it is more effecient or effective. I will specifically speak about my state Maharashtra,congress is leading becuase there is no strong opposite party to do the parity check on the ruling party. Therefore people of maharashtra dont have choice, "gadhe ko bhi baap banana padta hain" a wording implies here.And I suggest , If you want to do something really good for this nation or MUMBAI, then develop other cities like Patna. No one will fight for existence here then. Get to the root of the problem and remove it once and for all.
Swati : Mumbai was alwayz of Marathis(including other like Parsis, Gujjus), Bhaiyyas were never entertained here. It is only after their entry corruption and crime raised in India to such a extent that it never came down. It only became worse and crowded.
I want to ask you how safe you feel afetr 12PM in your Bihar or UP?? Have you heard any bhaiyya calling "behenji", i bet very few, they will call bhabieji not behnji, thats the difference between Marathi and Bhaiya.Got it
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February 02,2010 at 05:38 PM IST
Its very simple. The federal govt. should move
the head quarters of national banks and other
industries from Mumbai. In two weeks time it will
become Doomedbai. All bala dulha and their nephew
sahibs will come to senses.
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February 02,2010 at 05:46 PM IST
The fact is this,if the Maharashtrians migrated to Bihar and started governance there then Bihar would be the coveted state.Patna in some years would be the commercial capital of India
The truth is that Maharashtrians make any locality city and state civilized and comparatively safe and free from corruption.
Let the country give us a slice of Bihar and see how it changes.Ask any woman from UP where she feels more respected and safe UP or Maharashtra
Bihar or UP has bad governance and people with wrong values that is why the innocent poor people migrate here to escape the horrors of the entirely corroded and defunct society.cant blame them Blame the centre for this mess.Why couldnt a single party concentrate on these states and raise them up?
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February 02,2010 at 05:48 PM IST
Mumbai has the highest population in the world. With 23088 people per square km it stands first. The second in the list is Shanghai with 7174 people per square km. That means as good as 1/4th in the ratio. If the influx goes on increasing this difference will further increase. What kind of life you expect for the residents of India. From here we can only reduce it. Its high time to think!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:34 AM IST
thats a more logical reasoning...Mumbai is surely getting overcrowded and its infrastructure wont be able to cope beyond a point.
you are also right in saying also that other cities in india have to develop so that their is a more balanced influx of people coming from outside to the major cities...
only issue is that until such time as other cities develop or people prefer places other than mumbai, what should the solution be.
I cannot agree that politicians for sake of votes have the right to decide who gets to live or leave...after all what other agenda MNS or shiv sena can possibly have to win elections if not for regionalism...
whats ur take on the recent IPL fiasco...shiv sena had isssues with aussies... because how indians get treated as outsiders and not accepetd when they try to live in Australia...maybe nobody explained to these indians in australia that they are simply guests and have outlived their usefulness...
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February 02,2010 at 05:49 PM IST
I checked the comments of our brothers, some comments are full of haterdness. We should not forget that we are indian first then anything else. We do practice different faith in different religion, which our constitutions allows us. What is happening in mumbai is very sad, mumbai is the place of mixed culture. Now a days we hear everything bad from mumbai, since raj thackrey opened his shop of discrimination againts north indian. Raj thackrey or Bal thackrey won't gain anything from their dirty politics of hate, people of maharashtra knows well the root of this parties. I am born and brought up in mumbai and speak marathi fluently, even though marathi is not my mother tongue. Nobody has right to impose their ideas on others what language you have to speak. For years in mumbai, those who were speaking marathi, hindi, urdu or gujarati, there was no difference. So the question is what happened now, some politicians are trying to take advantage of the situations of the segregation. Believe me they won't succeed, as a mumbaikar we should reject such dirty politics. Jai Hind
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February 02,2010 at 05:51 PM IST
Are you aware of Mumbai heritage? Its all because of Portuguese and Britishers. Portuguese who came here in early 16th century handed Mumbai over to Britain's king Charles 2 as part of the dowry for his marriage to the Portuguese princess Catherine. British from then took over it. Bombay was given name by Portuguese meaning good bay. Don't you think this is shame on your part that territory belonging to you and given and taken as dowry by foreign ppl from Europe. Then all other development and other things which is termed as Mumbai heritage like Gateway of India,Mumbai university,flora fountain,Victoria terminus,Prince of wales museum etc all has been built by either British or Portuguese mainly in south Mumbai near to sea. What have you all done.
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February 02,2010 at 05:54 PM IST
what a pleasant and realistic column you have written but you know the narrow minided people will never digest your realistic opinion who are master in playing the game of dirty politics and by that business they have emerged as a mass leader of maharasthra. at the same time, these leaders have been given free hand to do whatever they can which brings a lot of benefits for the congress party who is in power in both places (centre & state).
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February 02,2010 at 05:55 PM IST
Perhaps let's make more Mumbai like cities.
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February 02,2010 at 05:57 PM IST
Well a marathi guy using a pseudo name like Peter Parker(Which is no way a marathi name)????Are u sure u are a pakka marathi maanoos?
Parag sounds like a reasonable guy.He sounds like a calm person.
The problem is that marathi people should understand that These thackrey's are not going to do anything for you(And deep down i m sure you all know that).You are responsible for urself.The thackreys are actually degrading the marathi maanoos image.
1. They are saying that marathi maanoos should be given priority for jobs.You think he is taking ur side.But if u think carefully, they are trying to say that their marathi maanoos are very uncompetitive and can't get a job if they don't use the marathi maanoos tag.Are u OK with that.
2. Then they say that these so called bhaiyas and biharis(No offense please) and southies come to mumbai and get work.Well i suppose they don't have any reference :).Maybe they show more capabilities than marathi maanoos.Some day a patil might say that he didn't get a job because a nagaonkar got it for less salary package.Then WHAT???They say that the UP and Bihar people are ready to work for a very lower salary, so they get the job and marathi maanoos don't.Now this is a very stupid thing to say.If someone from outside maharashtra can come and survive in mumbai on a meagre salary, why can't a marathi maanoos?
Now for that big article from "Saxena",all Mr.Peter Parker had to say was:::::
"Go back to Bihar Ms Saxena. We do not need your support for Mumbai to be great. Good riddance."
Well so Mr.Parker(AKA Spiderman) had no reason behind to prove why he didn't like the article.He behaved like a 5 year old and just said what he wanted to say.I am sorry: Even a 5 year old nowadays has reason for whatever he says.Lets say he behaved like a 2 year old.
And yes!! I am a marathi maanoos but as Mr. SACHIN TENDULKAR Said "AN INDIAN FIRST".And i am not an NRI, i am from BOMBAY(Mumbai).
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February 02,2010 at 05:57 PM IST
I lived very peacfully in Bombay /Mumbai for last 15 years and contributed to public health & infrastructure areas , my fellow citizens pls do not come under any conclusion with the cheap politrics of our politician , do not follow blindly , think , read more , understand each others contributions please repeat educatetd people like u people should not act like puppets of politicians , respect each others sentiments /believes and contribution .............. all these bull shitts /its parts sensationalizing issues of politicians , CONGRESS/SS/MNS ..............please realise the big mistakes what you are doing spreading hatreds along our own citizens.............. Indian should have the rights to stay anywhere in India ........my humble request better to learn/respect the local languages wherever u stay ....
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND .....NOBODY BORN AS A MARATHI/UP/INDIAN ETC.... HUMAN BEING
FLYS WILL ALWAYS FLY ON HONEY ONLY... OVERCROWDED............. SATE GOVERMENTS FAILURE...ALLOWING ENCROACHERS TO BUILD SLUMS , GIVING PROPER ELECTRICITY , WATER CONNECTION ETC.. GIVING RATION CARDS .... DO NOT BLAME POOR CITIZEN ...... EVEN ANIMALS/BIRDS... RELOCATE THERE LOOKS FOR MORE FOOD AND FACILITIES... ... THINK TWICE ... BEFORE COME IN TO CONCLUSION.. BLAME OTHER
Good luck u guys......... please read /think/respect each other
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February 02,2010 at 05:58 PM IST
Mr. Saxena, please get lost to your filthy city/town/village form North India, and roll in the shit over there.
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February 02,2010 at 06:26 PM IST
People of India..flock together and build great cities like Mumbai, Chennai & Delhi,etc It is through their hard work to earn a Livelihood that the cities develped like this. The more they work, they more they are rewarded and the cities progressed to this level. Now, Maharastrians think that as Mumbai has grown enough, they don't need the participation of others and the people from other states are considered as a burden. This type of narrow mentality is not good for broader interests of our Motherland. If others earn more, that indicates that they are ready to work harder.. I know many marathis... they are intillegent too.. but lack that killing attitude..Infuse those positive attributes to your life and you can compete with anyone and thus there is no need to expel others for securing your place. That kind of protective attitude will eventually make your brains dull!! - like all human creativity is destroyed in a communist country. If industries prefer to go away, beware that you will have to go to other states to earn your bread. So, don't get entangled by your politicians gimmicks to befool you. All the more, try to respect the constitution of India.
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February 02,2010 at 06:27 PM IST
Hi! I entirely agree....lets begin by going back to the original correct name 'BOMBAY'!!
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February 02,2010 at 06:31 PM IST
This is not an important issue....perhaps more thought should be given on reducing the time, coverage and money spent on Bollywood and Cricket!
Perhaps these are two issues holding back the development of the country as a whole.
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February 02,2010 at 06:43 PM IST
It is time BOMBAY is declared a city state and then these so called champions of Marathas will relaize who created Bombay what she is today.
Hemant Trivedi
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February 02,2010 at 06:45 PM IST
It is time BOMBAY is declared a city state and then these so called champions of Marathas will relaize who created Bombay what she is today.
Hemant Trivedi
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February 02,2010 at 06:45 PM IST
It's high time Mumbai to become an independent state / territory like Delhi.
The inclusion of Mumbai in Maharashtra itself was disputed and forceful historically. It was never a marathi dominent city in the first place ... there has been a huge contribution from other communities, esp gujaratis, towards mumbai and its glory.
Anything that has been done forcefully does not last long. It's high time we correct our historical mistake and make it an independent territory.
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February 02,2010 at 06:47 PM IST
Dear Sir,
If SS and MNS did not stop this madness then I would like to suggest that all corporate offices,film industry and other offices should go to the other cities,State,e.g.gujrat,Kerala,Karnatka etc.It will be like what happened to Calcutta in sixties.
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February 02,2010 at 06:47 PM IST
Your statement that only people who are honest, hard-working, simple are the taxiwallahs and street vendors, all of whom come from UP and Bihar.
Rest all the maharashtrians, goans, other south indians living in Mumbai are not? What are they- dishonest, corrupt, non hardworking? Wow.
You are no different from MNS,shiv sena!
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Yes Namit, this shows the caliber of a writer. He may have had his own experience. But, typecasting a community on few experiences is not correct. Mr. Saxena could not have done this, if he was a matured writer.
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February 02,2010 at 06:51 PM IST
WELL DONE MR. SAXENA or WHOEVER U ARE! I AM VERY SURE WRITTING THIS BLOG U MUST HAVE GOT BIG PAT ON BACK FOR GIVING RISE TO ONE MORE CONTROVARSY MUMBAI BACK TO BOMBAY! U GUYS REALLY LOVE PLAYING WITH PPL'S EMOTIONS IS N'T IT? JUST BECAUSE U HAVE POWER OF WRITTING DOES NOT MEAN U HAVE TO START FULEING DEAD CONTROVERSIES AND MAKE UR CAREER OUT OF IT.. ANYWAYS I DON'T THINK IT REALLY BOTHERS U. U ARE EQUALLY TO BLAMES AS THESE POLITICIANS WHO MAKE PPL FIGHT AND GAIN MILAEGE OUT OF IT! AGIN WELL DONE! I WOULD LIKE APPEAL SENSIBLE INDIANS WHO ARE READING THIS PLAESE STOP GIVING IMPORTANCE TO THIS ISSUE IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY SETTLE DOWN!
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February 02,2010 at 06:56 PM IST
I will proudly say that I am mumbaikar because I was born here.Though my father and mother are from Karnataka.I have adopted the marathi culture very well.So as a True Mumbaikar I want to speak.We dont have any problem with people coming from other state and working here.But the way some of them from UP and Bihar are spoiling the image of Mumbai.Wherever they are in majority the place is filthy.More and more people from UP are involved in criminal activities.If you check in the police crime record you will find it.People from maharastra have lots of patience therefore we have kept quiet until now.But now the situation requires urgent intervention from the centre.Whoever said in their comments that all mumbaikar will become beggars should know that the person who is born in mumbai can make money in any part of india or world.I am working in abroad but if people come to know that I am from mumbai i get lots of respect and I am proud to tell them that its a part of Maharastra.Why everyone wants to open their offices or factory in Maharastra.Big companies operate from Mumbai because the name tag(MUMBAI)India that comes with the name of their company has lots to do in domestic level and more in international level.Everyone feels proud to be associated with the name MUMBAI.We celebrate all the festivals in mumbai.We have never said that this is from south,North or any other part.But do others states do.Why everyone wants to open their factories in Maharastra.Check the industrial Records of other states with Maharastra&Gujarat.Because we are friendly people and we welcome everyone people have taken advantage.How many maharastrian travel to other states for jobs.Why dont the other states and their ministers instead of commenting and fuelling on this issues start industrization for their states in a big way so that people have multiple choice to work locally thus decreasing the burden on other states.I am proud that I am a Indian first then a true mumbaikar.
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February 02,2010 at 08:04 PM IST
very well said...
Jai hind !!! Jai Maharashtra !!!
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February 02,2010 at 06:59 PM IST
It's important for Sena and MNS to understand that Mumbai does not make India, India makes Mumbai what it is. Mumbai is can not survive without the contribution for rest of India. This is true for any vibrant and big city. This is plain and cheap politics, nothing else. In the logic of Sena, Mumbai will be the worst sufferer. I think Mumbai lives out of the contribution from other states. be it manpower or be it manufacturing revenues from other states
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February 02,2010 at 07:07 PM IST
well i think central government should make a law for people. who are trying to destroys countries peace in case of dived country in Castism , religion, area factors.central government should also make a law for political parties that if any party will evolve such activities, party will banned for one or two elections. so i thing this is much better for india's development and growth.
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February 02,2010 at 07:19 PM IST
At this moment Thackeray's are the biggest threat to our unified country - Kindly request all to come out with an innovative write up on how to avoid these internal enemies coming up. Is there any solution to completely isolate these Thackeray's....?
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February 02,2010 at 07:29 PM IST
ALL HAIL Mr. Saxena!!!
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February 02,2010 at 07:29 PM IST
I am non Marathi and I think this article is utter rubbish. North Indians do have an attitude problem and consider themselves superior to other Indians. Even after being born and brought up in Mumbai almost none of them can utter a single word of Marathi. Mumbai belongs first to Marathis and those who don't respect Marathi Manoos should have no place in Mumbai.
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you find a problem with attitude of north indians... then i'm curious how would you rate behaviour of MNS or SS activists...they way the threaten, warn, damage proprty and even slap fellow politicians...very dignified would you say???
i believe lot of indians who traveled abroad can not speak the local language (other than english)..like arabic in gulf...or french in france...should they be sent back to india in ur view...
why does mumbai belong to marathi first...why
should that be...who decided that...on what basis does a community get a right to stake claim to a place or region...
if you are a non marathi and should MNS ask you to leave Mumbai, would you do so???
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February 05,2010 at 06:04 PM IST
Thank god, for kindness of marathi people
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February 02,2010 at 07:31 PM IST
If someone states that Bombay is from Marathi people, Bihar is for Biharis, where exactly do Catholics, Parsis and other minorities go?? We too have been born and brought in India or in a particular state. have grown up there, learnt the local langauges, have friends. Bombay is one of the most secular states in India.SInce when did only speaking in a particular langauge give anybody the right to stay and live in peace??Don't the children of the SS and MNS go to convent medium schools?? dont they go abroad for further studies???Do the foreigners tell them to get out because they are from Mumbai or so on?? Why in the world do the SS and MNS create such a divide??if it were'nt for everybody in this country, where would we be then???
I think the SS and MNS should really consider what are they want out of all this nuisance they are creating.
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February 02,2010 at 07:52 PM IST
Marathi Catholics, Parsis etc can stay in Maharashtra as they are Maharashtrians. Their religion could be different but they are maharashtrians for us. Others can go back to their home state or adopt the local culture and language.
SS and MNS is not agianst English. English is global langauge and it is required everywhere now. But we dont need Hindi anymore. It should not be forced on us. Because Hindi is so called national language our great marathi language should not be suppressed and ignored.
Another point that MNS and SS raising is, Marathi people should get first preference to all the opportunities that are created or exisits in Maharashtra. Whihc is very legitimate demand as we give our land and homes for setting up factories, roads, dams etc. as simple as that.
Hope you understand the feelings of poor Maharashtrians....
Jay Maharashtra !!! Jay Marathi !!!
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February 02,2010 at 07:33 PM IST
Blah..blah..
Another hate article from North Indian... Why don't you guys try to set up same environ somewhere in south... let get film industry moved to Noida or Gurgaon, set up some costal Gujrat town similar to Mumbai (or ur master term Bombay?)
Till date you were able to rule Maharashtra so it was not a problem but now since some marathi is talking (he is just talking he doesn't have power and money minted by outsiders -- bureaucrat and businessmen ) and he is very tolerant. You are well aware no other place you can talk against local culture/language.
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February 03,2010 at 11:24 AM IST
Mr Prashant another Thakarey's fool...who is following him blindly. As everybody know Mumbai was an island developed by British for their convinence and trade due to it's geographical codnitions due to which it became financial capital.Later on it was people from every part of India joined. If it would have left to Kolis and aagris was it possible today to see this Mumbai.
But today goons like Raj thakarey are trying to impress Marathits for thier bank votes. It's still time to act before its too late. If u wanna fight, fight against today's system amd politicans not amongselves...INIDAN
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February 05,2010 at 06:09 PM IST
FYI, Kolis are marathi
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February 03,2010 at 11:53 AM IST
why cant the marathi manoos fend for themselves...
why do they need the help of MNS and SS politicians/activists to get what they want in their own "so called" homeland???
maybe its because you can only be tolerant... qualities such as hard work or competence are not there...
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February 02,2010 at 07:39 PM IST
I think India would feel like reclaiming Mumbai if Mumbai would embrace India. Right now the city is too snooty, cares about no one else but itself.
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February 02,2010 at 07:58 PM IST
Excellent article by Shobhan. Unfortunately, the Shiv Sena has done nothing for the common man and the locals besides filling their own coffers.
The sena's remarks are only because they have nothing else to show and especially no development program.
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February 02,2010 at 08:52 PM IST
Totally Agree... What has Thackrey and his Goons have done for Mumbai. Known as Financial capital of India, yet Infrastructure is probably the worst in the world. Mumbai wouldn't be Mumbai if it was not for All who earn their living and run the economy of our great nation.
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February 02,2010 at 08:03 PM IST
Your knowledge is like Half baked cake, Mr. Sexena.
You need mental treatment.Go and gat it in MUMBAI.
And then go Home.
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February 02,2010 at 08:10 PM IST
The level of author is exposed as Bombay word is used intentionally. Shame on you people.
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February 02,2010 at 08:27 PM IST
This article is totally biased.I arrived in Mauritus yesterday and the north indian taxi drivers bullied and threatened me as i refuse to pay the abnormal fare.They told me that i was in their country and they could do watever they wanted with me.At that time,I remembered Raj Thackeray and how much he is right about these Bihari thugs.
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February 05,2010 at 01:45 PM IST
BTW Taxiwalas are same all over India, be it Mumbai or Bangalore or Delhi. However, it clearly reflects your degenerated mental state when you refer to Biharis as thugs.
Don't you think Raj Thackeray is a thug, who mints money and vote by his hate campaign?
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February 02,2010 at 08:44 PM IST
ONE OF THE BEST ARTICLES I HAVE READ ON BOMBAY'S TRAGEDY. GOOD WORK, SHOBHAN. KEEP IT UP. I AM SURE THE HATE MONGERERS ARE IN MINORITY IN BOMBAY.
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February 02,2010 at 08:48 PM IST
Mr. Saxena, You are right and rare breed. I read the blogs, which shows hate for all Indians including the writer and see how these Dividing forces have brain washed followers of Senas to agree with Sena's hate propaganda. They seem to lack common sense to see beyond the actions of these leaders who use them to gain popularity and fame. They are perched above in neck deep in money that is poured in to their pockets and live in luxury while the destitute people have no food and no shelter in Mumbai. You people should be ashamed for treating Mumbai as a separate nation. And not as an integral part of India. India belongs to all, and so does Mumbai or Delhi or Kolkata. It Seems like Mumbai is run by gangs and goons, who should be eliminated. It is shame to see this happening in 2010, seems like this is 2010BC! As long as these brain-washed Marathis are supporting goons of Sena and their leader, Mumbai will always be in turmoil and people and economy will suffer. One word of advice for these proud Mumbai and Maharashtra residents who support these terrorist like dividing forces, go clean up your city, help needy individuals, take care of sick and do something good, rather than throwing stones at newspaper offices, Theaters, businesses, vandalizing public properties and supporting these leaders who are dividing people and are anti Indians. 50 years ago, Marathis started agitation against Guajarati, who build businesses in Mumbai and because of them Mumbai flourished and what it is today, now they turning against all Indians or whoever speaks against them. Shame on you people and politicians, you are Gaddars if you support these gangs or watch and do nothing. Your Bharat is not Mahan as you think.
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February 02,2010 at 09:02 PM IST
This author is a sack of fu*king sh*t who doesn't even know his history properly. Read the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai) and the associated references to see how the city was named. "Mumbai" was derived from "Maha-Amba-Aai" and has always been called so in Marathi and Gujarathi much before the Portuguese even thought of coming to India. Stop spreading your lies Saxena.
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February 02,2010 at 09:04 PM IST
Guys dont try to teach us history n dont test patience of Marathi ppl...u wud b beaten balck n blue n even in worst case killed if u all say such things in Chennai or guwahati or Hyderabad.....1st u clear the mess in Bihar n UP n den tak. U guys r creating a mountain of a mole...u guys have defamed India all these years coz of ur ugly politics
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February 02,2010 at 09:08 PM IST
Excellent article. It is sickening to see the plight of this city that I adore. And true, India needs to reclaim Bombay. Well said.
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February 02,2010 at 09:08 PM IST
what will be the fate of mumbai in next 10 years, if all the industries and financial institutions move out of MUMBAI/Maharashtra? Can somebody imagine !!!
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First of all I would like to clarify my stand that yes MUMBAI is for all INDIANS. We are one country and yes I was born and raised in MUMBAI. However I do not agree with the article that says that the only honest people in mumbai are the taxi drivers and vendors ... you probably need to change your circle of friends and family then .... but again thats just my opinion in both regards
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please move them as soon as possible we need space to survive.
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February 02,2010 at 09:17 PM IST
We all have a mind of our own, do whatever you think is right - Don't let Raj or Rahul decide, who you should like and who you should dislike. Politics is business which has three main pillars - hate, divide and fear. All parties have played these 3 cards in variation over the years, and would continue doing so in the future.
Eventually it is an individual that is bullish, rude, cheat, jealous, violent etc .. It is not a trait that is associated with a particular state or a community. Segregation of individuals in these large sets, and then judging them as a group instead of individuals is something that I have never done, and would never do. All Bhaiyyas are not crooks and neither are all Marathis saints.
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February 02,2010 at 09:17 PM IST
Excellent article. I used to live in Bombay some 37 years ago. Recently, I lived in Pune for 8 months on my company assignment in 2007-2008. I was horrified to see treatment of North Indian by Marathi folks. If this trend continues, industrialist will grow their future business in karnataka, Tamilnadu, Andhra and Gujarat. It may be a good idea for central Government to develop other ports so that Indians disproportionately do not depend on Bombay.
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February 02,2010 at 09:21 PM IST
Same kind of hatred was developed by KCR in Andhra Pradesh from past 10 years. Now they do not want to live their own language people and now they say that these are 2 different regions. So, these jobless politicians can find ways and means to get states and India divided further. Anyone who speaks on the basis of caste/creed/religion/region/language needs to be hanged even if he is a president of India. Only then India will survive. There should not be any states and we should only hae administravive divisions.
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February 02,2010 at 09:24 PM IST
Well i totally agree with this blog. Its nice to see someone coming out n speaking something other then regionalism like mns n shiv sena do.
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February 02,2010 at 09:26 PM IST
SAY SAME FOR CHENNAI....SOUTH INDIANS WILL KICK YOUR BUTT...
BUGERS YOU GUYS SHIT OF THIS COUNTRY...
WHY MUMBAIKAR SHOULD NOT SPEAK MARATHI..
YOUR ARTICLE SHOWS HATREAD TOWARDS US...
IT IS NO WRONG THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU GUYS TO SPEAK MARATHI IF YOU WANT TO BE HEREE.
JAY MAHARASHTRA , JAY MARATHI
LET RAHUL GANDHI SHOW HIS OPEN NESS IN CHENNAI AND BANGALORE..
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February 02,2010 at 09:26 PM IST
Bombay is mispronunciation of Mumbai Mr. Writer. Plain & Simple.
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February 02,2010 at 09:27 PM IST
ohh comeon u ppl.. All he wants to do is create a blog that hurts centiments of mumbaikars. PPl get mad and write comments....and just for every click on the TOI website....TOI gets the money.
The whole world calls Mumbai as Mumbai !
So who the hell are you(mr saxena) to call it bombay.
I am going to send your blog to Mr. Raj Thakeray via email. I hope u know your prayers well...
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February 02,2010 at 09:39 PM IST
Listen up people.. if India wants to reclaim Mumbai, please do it fast.. but are you guys willing to pay a fair share out of the money you collect as income taxes? It is very easy to loot the people of Mumbai and not pay for its development.. no politican looks at what they give mumbai, i.e. practically nothing in comparison to what is taken away.. so do somehting for AAMCHI MUMBAI and then talk as if it belongs to you..
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February 02,2010 at 09:57 PM IST
Hi All,
I am Maharashtrian and proud of being Marathi and Indian equally. We all are getting pissed of these dirty politics. We have so many other things to fight for not on this issue. SS and MNS they don't have rights to talks about this because my question is what they did for Marathi people? And congress they took 2 days to send NSG commondos/choppers at the time of 11/26 attack. But they send NSG commondos and choppers immeditely when Andhra CM went missing in 2 hrs. That it self suggest how these politicians care for "AAM ADMI". As a Indian we need to learn how to respect each others sentiments, culture and need to throw out these selfish politicians.
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February 02,2010 at 10:00 PM IST
For all who support siva sena theses....
Dear Siv sainik marathis....
India is a family. You know what in a family, if your younger family members are not as prosperous as you are, what do u do, you separate yourself from them, so that you can live your lavish life.
Great going siv sainik marathis...
Couple of weeks back, in Mumbai..among 400 top CEOs of India. Bihar Chief minister has been awarded BUSINESS REFORMER of THE YEAR award for the second highest GDP growth after only Gujrat. Time is not very distant when there will be humungous job oppurtunity in BIHAR and you ******* siv sainik marathis will be applying for that as mumbai is still not able to feed their own siv sainik marathis.
Save some shame for your future so that you can atleast live without guilt..
God save good marathis from evil siv sainik marathis.
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February 02,2010 at 10:05 PM IST
A man who came just 3 yrs back feels free to teach others history of the Metro city ! Ha Ha Ha Ha We dont need such bumpkins here. Let him move to Australia where north Indians are getting their just deserts.
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February 02,2010 at 10:21 PM IST
Let me put it this way...
We do not really need ppl from Media or journalists to tell us who is right and who is wrong..this is the first thing that we do not need articles like this to just have non sense debate on this issue..
Second thing -
I being a responsible citizen of this country should think constructive and take positives out of any issue, after all debate is not the output Raj Thakre wanted after he raised the issue.
I can take out some things out of this thing raised by Raj Thakre -
1. Accept the fact that population of Mumbai has increased exponentially because of the ppl coming from other parts of India to Mumbai.
2. This increase in the population cause lots of inconvenience in every term like space issue, food issue, jobs issue, cleanliness issue and so on which are the general issues caused by population burst.
3. Nobody wants to leave his/her own home unless there are less/zero opportunities or there is "Jungle Raj" in their states which prevents them from making money there.
4. This should be addresses in a way to educate ppl in other states which are considered poor and "no law and order" states (we all know this and we should accept this)
5. In any ways everyone should believe that the Marathi sanskriti or Marathipan as we call in marathi was getting lost in Mumbai which is not accepted in any city of this country e.g. no market for Marathi cinemas , no value for Marathi sanskriti and so on for which thr is no one but Marathi ppl to blame.
6. I consider Raj Thakre as a good leader as he raised his voice except all odds to at least wake up those Marathi ppl who now consider Marathi seriously as there very own mother language or sanskriti. Marathi cinemas are house full these days. its one of the advantages of Raj's voice. Marathi ppl or young kids who were doing nothing at least started something to work on. There are so many positives such that.
So STOP fighting/blaming and take positives and work on those - thats all I can say.
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February 02,2010 at 10:49 PM IST
Hey Dear,
Your blog's like a double edged Sword!! : )
...may you please Write sm thing that will create another mumbai.
if you like any place/culture...spread the Good will...let the people Smile :o)
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February 02,2010 at 11:55 PM IST
While I agree with Shobhan concern about hate politics, but there is need to condemn issues related to parochialism in toto. Just talking about India claiming Mumbai is reminiscent of white man's burden. in fact there is need to reclaim Delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore and other places which also depict such tendencies directly or indirectly. One has to be very objective while arriving at conclusions because people like Narendra Modi cannot be condemned for those acts for which people like Rajiv Gandhi were absolved. You can't decry Lalooism or yadavism of Mulayam Yadav while justifying family centric fascism of Karunanidhi or Ghandy (Gandhi) family.
Please exercise restraint in commenting on issues like name of the place for colonial rule has rather intoxicated us with more prejudices about each other for ex - knowledge of Hindi is seen as a credential for nationalism ignoring the fact that around 60% of the nation's mother tongue are non Hindi languages , knowledge of Urdu for secularism notwithstanding the fact that its Latin for tamil or malayali Muslims
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No one is a fool when such views are aired.
Certainly anti-sikh riots were bad.
I don't think Rajiv Gandhi went about having meeting as to how to circle houses of Sikhs and kill them and burn them. The violence erupted spontaneously but was put down asap.
Here Narendra Modi created a situation falsely. No Muslim was involved in burning the Train Bogi carrying Karsevaks. It was just an accident. Such an accident has repeated many times thereafter.
Just like Babri Masjid Demolition this new bluff by Narendra Modi has made many Gujaratis Mad and instead of lynching a fellow like him they are electing him as CM.
He even influenced Vajpayee to believe that indeed some Muslims had burnt the Train !
He turned the general folks into Rapists and murderers just with getting their hearts filled with hatred for Muslims and Christians.
Rajiv Gandhi did not do any such thing.
Modi must be tried for genocide and put to death !!
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February 03,2010 at 01:00 AM IST
If Mumbai is taken away from Maratis then nobody in India will allow their cities to develop into Metros. Dreams which our freedom fighter saw will fail. Instead Center should support local cause and get the nation together. This will bring sense of cultural security and motivate other states to develop their cities into metros. Fueling injustice against local will cause divide, people will revolt, and this is natural. Today maratis are speaking against north Indian; 15 years from now when migrants become local they will feel the same pinch. This will happen when their children will not get opportunities in local Jobs, Jai hind, Jai Maharashtra.
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February 03,2010 at 04:30 AM IST
Hi,
In my opinion i feel that balthakeray is just an old clock in a digital age. He needs to be in a museum. He actually follows a british system of divid and rule just to keep himself in power. He doesnt care about anyone...just as long as he has power. Has he ever instructed his own people to study hard!..work hard!... and speard out!.. naaa.... coz the more illtrate they remain the better for him and longer will he be in power.
And about shiv sena... i call it a legalised terrorist group...all i hear are their threats about destorying and burning and dividing people.
They are no different than the terrosit operating across our borders.
Shane
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February 03,2010 at 06:03 AM IST
Get your facts correct Bombaywalla.Its Mumbai, Bhaiye cannot call it Mumbai not our fault. Meanwhile, check why Mumbai is Mumbai and not Bombay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumba_Devi_Mandir
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February 03,2010 at 06:10 AM IST
First of all writers like Saxena should be kicked out for writing trash which fuels more controversy among common people. This moron fails to understand one thing that if the original status is to be restored then all UP and Biharis have to go back to where they came from. I fail to understand as to why he wants to (he keep calling BOMBAY on purpose) restore the name given by invaders? Guess he is lost very deep somewhere.
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February 03,2010 at 06:25 AM IST
I think the editor needs to revisit his proofreading skills. There are hell lots of mistakes in the entire article!
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February 03,2010 at 07:42 AM IST
1) Many cities/states have changed their British names to original names....Chennai, Kolkata,Vadodara, Karnataka and so on. It is fancy and obsession for North Indians to bother ( and interfere) about name and issues of Mumbai/Maharashtra than issues/problems in their own states.
2) Do not understand how Mumbai/Maharashtra ( migrants, 26/11 martyrs and so on) are MAJOR issues for Bihar election than development, job creation, better law and order (which does not exist anyway in Bihar and UP), corruption...list is endless.Why can't Patna,Ranchi,Kanpur,Allahabad, Lucknow be the dream destinations for youngsters from Bihar/UP than cities from Maharashtra and other destinations in South.
3)People from UP/Bihar should question their own politicians how they messed up their own states leading to such huge migration to Maharastra and other states.
4)Centuries ago people from south ( Maharastra included)used to go to North...Banares, Gaya and other places for Higher learning, riligious teachings and even for education on warfare. When would Bihar/UP as a palce acquire some qualities that people from south can appreciate and emulate?
5) Rahul Gandhi mentions than people from Bihar/UP have developed Maharastra. Having stayed in Maharastra (and in neibhouring southern state)for last so many years, do not know what he meant by this? And if people from these states are so good, which they are, then why their services can not be used to make Bihar, UP superior to Maharashtra and other southern states. May be this will lead to migration to UP and Bihar for south. I hope Rahul Gandhi does not mention this about Bangalore/Karnataka, Hyderabad/Andhra Pradesh to appease Biharis.
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February 06,2010 at 05:53 PM IST
Now I know why Bihar is so underdeveloped because all the workers are migrated to other places like mumbai , kolkata, bengaluru, Chennai Hyderabad. How there own state will develop if theres no body to work? Rahul should take care of this and request all biharis to return to patna, and with the help of LALU [ Who has tunrned Railways upside down and also lectured IIM MBA's ] together they can Transform specially Patna into Shnaghai before Manmohasingh does is for Mumbai.
Once this is done UP walle bhaiya will also follow the same suit.
What an IDEA sir Ji
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February 03,2010 at 09:07 AM IST
Mr. Saxena...First thing Mumbai was there even before purtugeese come here..you can go and ask ur portugesse dads...and it was called by name of goddess Mumba Devi...Its not that they created new city there...
Second things...India unity is in Its diversity...if you try to break diversity by trying to crush local culture then that unity will not stand for long...
Third thing...Mumbai is for all Indians but first its for Marathis...just like Kolkatta is for bengalis..Maharashtra and Marathi manoos was there even before this United India was formed..same is for all other states and regions...but now we decided to one nation and in order to one everyone must respect others and if that is not happening then god save India...
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February 03,2010 at 09:17 AM IST
The real question we need to ask ourselves is: Why is there only one city in India like Bombay?
Our politicians have learnt to divide and rule us. Look at Indians fighting here without even understanding the real problem.
Firstly, Bombay belongs to all Indians, and not to the Thackeray family.
Having said that, we must ask: Why are there so few liveable cities in India? Why are Indians forced to migrate to one or two cities thousands of kilometers away from home, to find a job or to have access to basic needs?
Our corrupt and incompetent governments have been stealing our money that was meant for developing various places across India into liveable villages, towns and cities. Bombay was developed by foreigners who turned it into a desirable place, and today everyone wants to move there.
There is a limitation on how many people can physically occupy a given area of space. For example, if there are 1000 people who need to travel somewhere, can you fit them all into one bus that can take a maximum of 60 people? Will you shout that everyone has the right to get into that bus? Or, would you question why there is only one bus available in good working condition? Will you not demand to know what happened to all the money that was collected to provide more buses and to keep them in good working condition?
We need to ask the same question here. How many Indians can fit into one Bombay, or into one Bangalore where I myself live? Why aren't there more cities in India that provide basic facilities? Where is our tax money going? I see Bangalore turning into a slum before my eyes and ask this question every day.
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February 03,2010 at 10:01 AM IST
Here is what I think is the solution to this 'maharashtra for marathis' business-
(1)All marathis working, residing,buried anywhere in the world and India return to 'Mumbai"
(2)All marathis alongwith SS,MNS fast unto death to demand a seperate Marathana state
(3)Run out all foreign companies( english speaking, you see)and any non-maratha businesses eg ambanis, mittals etc from the state, dont forget the bhaiya taxiwallahs etc too,
(4)Close down all english medium schools, colleges and establishments in the state, only marathi medium establishments.
(5)Do not visit english websites nor read english/hindi newspapers,ban any other language than marathi.
Since maharashtrans are 'self sufficient'(according to some claims here), maharashtrians clearly have no need for any 'outside' help in any area at all. So prove it already and earn your bragging rights.
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February 03,2010 at 10:04 AM IST
"But that happens because most of the PSU giants and private sector firms have their corporate headquarters in Bombay. It’s not that Bombay is producing goods worth the country’s GDP. If tomorrow all the big companies move their offices to Bangalore, all this tax will come from Bangalore.
The third lie is that the North Indians do not respect the local culture and local people. Again a pure lie. I have lived in Bombay for three years and the only people who are honest, hard-working, simple are the taxiwallahs and street vendors, all of whom come from UP and Bihar. And they have been the main targets of MNS' hate crimes.These people have made their lives with sheer hard work, slogging day and night and living in filthy hovels. They have made the city rich with their hard work. "
IN REPLY TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT:
Sorry to burst your ego Mr. Saxena, but If you really think that it is because of the Bihari/UP wallahs who have worked really hard to make MUMBAI rich, I'd suggest you go back to your gaon - Patna and try working really hard in that city and make it is rich and respectable as MUMBAI. And if you really think that by moving all the big giants to Bangalore or any other city, that city will flourish then please do so. At least the poor Marathi Manoos will get back his clean and beautiful city.
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February 03,2010 at 10:17 AM IST
i think even we bloggers are divided into Marathi and non marathi sections, and we are missing real point all together...have u ever thought of local man whose family is moving to far off places like virar, badlapur or titwals because he can't fford to buy home in mumbai? have u thought about his compromised life style because he has to pay EMI over his home loan? have u tried to felt his feelings when he does all that and these migrants come to Mumbai , built illegal hut, take free water and electricity and then we offer them free housing on the name of SRA and they sell it and make fortune over it, while we the honest, law abiding tax payers suffer and keep paying for free meals we offer to these migrants. THATS WHERE THESE HONEST, HARD WORKING, TAX PAYERS SUPPORT RAJ THAVKERY..COME THINK OF IT BEFORE ADVOCATING MIGRANTS
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February 03,2010 at 10:50 AM IST
this is what politians dont want people to know about...so they are creating these issues and bloggers and netizens are fueling it...
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February 03,2010 at 10:27 AM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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February 03,2010 at 10:43 AM IST
This is a cop out. Maharashtrians have been in the forefront of our Independance movement and a statement such as yours is unwarrented. But anyone coming to Mumbai to work especially in public service jobs such as in Post Office or drving Taxis should be able to communicate with local people in the local language. Any Bihari would expect that in Patna. If they cannot speak marathi in Mumbai then they should learn it before applying for the position. This is commonsense and we did not drive the British out to replace them with a new master class who do not respect the cultures and languages of the local people across the country.
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February 03,2010 at 11:07 AM IST
ok but when an Englishman /american comes we dont ask him to speak Marathi.Language is just a medium of communication.Or the political parties can use for creating rifts as well.So why not demand for a separate Maharastra.We keep whatever we grow ..why share with the other poor nation ..throw all these idiots out..only marathis(that too only Hindus) live and bal thakeray be made President with raj thakeray as Prime Minister.
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February 03,2010 at 11:28 AM IST
Not when he comes there but when he wants to serve in the post office in Patna he should speak Hindi and in Kolkutta Bengali. I do not want to say that the politicians are doing the right thing by India. That is why Biharis leave Bihar and that is why despite electing the Nehru family Amethy and Rae Bareli still have more illiterate and impoverished people. Indian politicians have learnt that illiterate people are their bread and butter. We need better politicians or better political system. But let us not criticize the Maharashtrians alone for the pitiable politicians we have in India.
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February 03,2010 at 12:16 PM IST
and by the way have you learnt marathi or not ,,by your name you seem to be a South indian
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February 03,2010 at 10:29 AM IST
hi
If I follow the MNS and Shiv Sena then I request all nation where all marathi are working immediately kick out from their nation because they are doing the same thing which person belong to UP and other part of India are doing in Maharastra and request those person who have been kicked out from other country should go to Raj thackery or Bal Thackery only then all of you realize their true pix
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February 03,2010 at 10:53 AM IST
Hi
This is for all indians from all the states apart from maharastra just kick out these marathi from their respective states who thinks that they are apart from this country than only they will come to know how is the feeling when somebody get kick out from his owm country just b'coz he is from north india or from bihar or from any another state.
All these marathies should leave at a place so that we may able to stop spreading this crap in our b'ful country.
This is for all who think that they are Indians.
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February 03,2010 at 11:16 AM IST
What an inappropriate reply. Maharastrians do not go to other states and drive taxis without knowing the local language. Sure Biharis and UP people are welcome to Mumbai and take non public service jobs. When you deal with local public better learn the local language. No one states that North Indians should leave Mumbai only that they should learn the local language before working in banks, post office, driving taxis etc. This India of ours is multi lingual and all the languages need respect from all of us. The crap is from those that think that somehow we all will speak only one language. Arabs speak one language but cannot unite. We speak multiple languages and are all Indians. That is our strength. Let us not characterize any one as unpatriotic especially the Maharashtrians who had fought so much for our freedom.
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February 03,2010 at 12:46 PM IST
you are fighting for your own selfishness not for your country and u think u people are Indian.
who give u the right to beat sumbody b'coz he don't know marathi r u the law or god or ?
U r only the shameless maharastianssssss.............
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February 03,2010 at 10:30 AM IST
Dear All,
After reading more or less all the comments above,I am very upset.On one side we young generation are expecting India(as a country) to be Global Powerhouse and on the other hand Our Enlightened Netizens of India are fighting over my state your state issue like a dharmyudh.I hold people like us responsible for this mess because we allowed Bal/Raj thackerey to use us in getting political mileage and nothing else.These things were never came to people's mind until Mr Raj Thackerey,who was ambitious enough to challenge Shiv Sena and his own family came out with this idea.And people like us made him successful.Have you ever noticed all three Bal/Raj/uddhav to be out of Mumbai and then spitting the Venom?No,because they also want to speak from comforts of their drawing rooms.This applies to all the politicians of India.Mumbai has a good number of Software Engineers also from UP/Bihar.Why didn't they throw them out too.And Tata's/Ambani's.Why?because Mumbai is greatly benefitted from these industrial bigwigs and these politicians doen't have guts to throw them out.
So,I feel that till the time Educated people like us will keep fighting on this petty issues,India can never become a great country.
It is for us to decide,whether we want to get involved in this divisive politics or work towards making our country beautiful & successful.
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February 03,2010 at 10:31 AM IST
Saxena, here is an offer which you should accept if you have guts: Go to Chennai and call it Madras on a loudspeaker in public, and if you manage to survive this, go to Kolkatta and call it Calcutta in the same manner. The chances are you will be locked up, but in Mumbai it will not happen
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February 03,2010 at 11:08 AM IST
OK so i hav 1 another offer for you that you need to come to delhi once b'coz here u'll find out the people from each
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February 03,2010 at 11:30 AM IST
I am a DELHIite and proud of the city. But I am a Indian first. DELHI has no such issues with people coming from all over the country - Frankly, no one has time for this CRAP in Delhi or NCR.
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February 03,2010 at 11:49 AM IST
I am with you dude and i'm proud to ba an indian.
Delhi is for dilwale.
Every body is welcomed here.
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February 04,2010 at 05:55 PM IST
what being produced in delhi nothing only polluted politician so that'sy no hush about delhi as people who living their do not like delhi
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February 03,2010 at 11:33 AM IST
OK so i hav 1 another offer for you that you need to come to delhi once b'coz here u'll find out the people from each n every states even from maharastra also, sumbody use to say delhi than another delli but we don't mind b'coz they have the similar rights it's for all Indians, not for local hides only. Delhi is for dilwale.We are having the ability to accept the culture from every corner of the country which you marathis don't have who think they are super n above from this country first we are indians then only marathi, bihari,bengali.......
If u r talking about the chennai or kolkata than we are with you to fight with but not behaving like this you can also grape the gud things from another states also.
So please come out from this dirty politics and don't destroy the unity of our country just b'coz of few dirty , crupt politicians.
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February 03,2010 at 10:32 AM IST
Is this article really touches the issue of why Biharis want to go to Mumbai without learning any other language and want preferential treatment? I do not know what Raj Thackeray and MNS really stand for but once in Maharashtra one should learn the language of the people there to do public service job. Long ago in the 1960s they promoted people in then Madras city people from UP etc who did not know Tamil because they knew Hindi while the Tamils were denied this promotion due to lack of Hindi knowledge. The work were all done in English and the customers were predominently Tamils. They issued money orders only with Hindi and when I went to the Post Office to send money to Madurai I had to fill a form I could not read. The postal worker used an english form and told me which column is what. I wanted that english form and was told that was his personal copy and without that he could not help others. No wonder Tamil Nadu erupted. We fought for Independance like the Hindi people and did not want to be treated like we were under the English once again. Happily the message got out that the Tamils are both for Indian unity and for fairness. Indian unity will only strenghthen if we treat all Indian languages as equal and when you go to work in public jobs in another state learn the local language. No Bihari would like the Taxi driver who speaks only Marathi to work in Patna. Get real and show respect. Otherwise this fabric of India will tear apart. Maharashtrians have sacrificed more than their fair share for India's freedom and to suggest any one of them to be anti Indian is a shame on all of us Indians. Gujarath High Court has put an end to the false claims of the Hindi chauvanists and has shown that India and its unity will survive these onslaughts from people who think they are the new masters of India after the British. India belongs to all its citizens and to people speaking any of its langauges. Jai Hind
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February 03,2010 at 10:36 AM IST
what we r doing.. and where we r going :( .. its such a sham that we all r fighting like this.. if we continue to fight... believe me, forget mumbai, there will b no india in the world map...
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February 03,2010 at 10:46 AM IST
what the blogger has forgotten to put the reason is taht why all of a sudden Mumbai is becoming for all. I am firm supportes of India is one and for all Indians, but these dirty politicians only see elections. who ever they are. MNS & SS are seeing elections, while BJP & Congress are targeting Bihar elections. RSS has kept mum for 2 years and all of audden it rememebered that MUmbai is for all. wow..great. RSS has put put Gadkari, and wants him to win the Bihar elections. It is as simple as the bolg verification number.
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February 03,2010 at 10:50 AM IST
DECLARE MARTIAL LAW in BOMBAY !!! Capture Shiv Shena Operatives, Gitmo Them !!! Revert name to Bombay, No more Mumbai BS !!! Enough is Enough. If Marathis want a Marathi Land, they can start building a new island in Arabian Sea. 26/11 was an INSIDE JOB by Marathi Goons. Bal Thackeray was probably one of the insiders and was hiding his rear end during the commotion. No wonder an entire regiment in Pune DID NOT bother to show up. Hemant Karkare , a Marathi was probably murdered by Shiv Sena Radicals. 26/11 was a Bollywood copy of 9/11. The Jewish guy (an anti Zionist) and Hemant Karkare were the main targets. The rest were "Collateral Damage". Shiv Sena is a Designated Terrorist Organization and in bed with the Big Boys in US, Israel, Middle East, UK. Gitmo Shiv Shena. BTW I was born in Bombay more than 30 yrs ago !!!
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February 03,2010 at 10:50 AM IST
Shobhan,
I am a Maharashtrian. I am not a supporter of MNS and SS. But I would never say that people from MNS or SS are goondas. Look at Mumbai, it is facing acute water shortage, electricity shortage. Population has increased to 1 crore 40 lakhs. There is huge stress on resources. Look at local trains/buses. Look at traffic on the roads. There is congestion everywhere. I am not saying that people from other parts from India should not migrate to Mumbai. But I not happy that Mumbai is suffering due to such large scale migration. Soon, even cities like Pune are also going to get affected.
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February 03,2010 at 10:54 AM IST
I just want to say one small thing. Cut the crap and stop this shit of Teri - Meri. Just do your own work honestly and Mumbai / Bombay / Bambai will welcome you and host you even if the politicians do not.
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February 03,2010 at 10:57 AM IST
If you stopping the people from coming to Mumbai, you are stopping City's growth. I being a person from UP would like to tell you that since none of the UP Govt. welcomed growth perspective from outside companies, it lagged behind. So if mumbai wants to do the same then its not right. All industries and companies opts definitely move out their business from hate driven and unsafe places in due course of time.
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February 03,2010 at 10:59 AM IST
If you stopping the people from coming to Mumbai, you are stopping City's growth. I being a person from UP would like to tell you that since none of the UP Govt. welcomed growth perspective from outside companies, it lagged behind. So if mumbai wants to do the same then its not right. All industries and companies opts definitely move out their business from hate driven and unsafe places in due course of time.
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February 03,2010 at 10:59 AM IST
When the son of Marathi soil remarked “Mumbai belongs to whole of India” Shiv Sena nor MNS took to the street, burnt his effigy or demanded a apology.
Isn't this hypocritical !
Kaun Samjayanga..!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:01 AM IST
When the son of Marathi soil remarked “Mumbai belongs to whole of India” Shiv Sena nor MNS took to the street, burnt his effigy or demanded a apology.
Isn't this hypocritical !
Kaun Samjayanga..!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:03 AM IST
There is no use in flexing muscles here. Govt should listen to Maharastraians and give due credit that they are demanding. See bombay and its shanties. Already it is screwed up city. It is right time to invest in other states and dilute the industrial development around Bombay.Divert all the international airlines out of Bombay and reduce the city population by dismantling the industries. Let Bombay get its natural air.
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February 03,2010 at 11:05 AM IST
When the son of Marathi soil remarked “Mumbai belongs to whole of India” Shiv Sena nor MNS took to the street, burnt his effigy or demanded a apology.
Isn't this hypocritical !
Kaun Samjayanga..!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:11 AM IST
You have not bothered to look at the root cause of this issue. Nobody is against hardworking people, wherever they belong to! It's the way in which they encroach. All these people live illegally - they first start living on footpaths. Then move to slums and then they get rehabilitated! And the locals who live in Chawls which are legal, are not rehabilitated. Don't go on to say they can't afford to live in any other way. They are aware of the free residence they would be eventually getting and are very intentional about not wanting to live in any other places. Why should this be tolerated????
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February 03,2010 at 11:12 AM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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February 03,2010 at 11:20 AM IST
A very good article. I read few of the comments. The comments looked liked a mudsling match between Marathi Manoos versus Rest of India.
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February 03,2010 at 11:23 AM IST
Every Indian have rights to live inside India wherever he wants. Bombay is not belongs to goons of thackeray's. The Bombay's growth is not because of maharastrians. This goons are trying to divide the country in the name of regionalism. balthackeray lost his mental control because of his age. But why the educated maharastrians also expressing the same way like thackeray. Live in peace and harmony.
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February 03,2010 at 11:27 AM IST
When the son of Marathi soil 'Sachin Tendulkar' remarked “Mumbai belongs to whole of India” Shiv Sena nor MNS took to the street, burnt his effigy or demanded a apology.
Isn't this hypocritical !
Kaun Samjayanga..!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:31 AM IST
I was in a cab from Goregaon to Sion last weekend and I asked the cabbie what he thought of the Shiv Sena. He shrugged 'How does it matter? I have to earn my living.'
Meandering among the displays at the shrine of Mary help of Christians, Matunga on the feast day of Don Bosco on 31 Jan 2010, I picked up an MP3 CD called 'Maria Pitache' of hot Goan and Maharashtrian 'masala' music. Remo led the charge with the pulsating title track in Portuguese. For global flavour the tracks also included Lambada in Spanish. Hindi was there too.
30 years ago I spent my childhood in Bombay. Dad and mum met and worked in Bombay. On this trip I savoured Malvani cuisine, and dug into pav-bhaji and kulfi at Kandivili.
What the sena and other narrow-minded heavies believe to be good for Bombay, is suicidal for India.
Which is why like Shobhan, we need to turn the tide and push the myopic to where they will finally belong - the dustbin of history. Seriously.
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February 03,2010 at 11:32 AM IST
Shiv sena DO NOT DIVIDE Bombay. This will give the terrorists opportunity to attack, Now is the time to unite Bombay and not divide it. Look what happened in 1947. We've only had attacks and enemity, hate. GROW UP SHIV SENA.
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February 03,2010 at 11:37 AM IST
When the son of Marathi soil 'Sachin Tendulkar' remarked “Mumbai belongs to whole of India” Shiv Sena nor MNS took to the street, burnt his effigy or demanded a apology.
Isn't this hypocritical !
Kaun Samjayanga..!!!
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February 03,2010 at 11:38 AM IST
I agree 100%.Bombay should be made Union territory on the lines of Delhi.
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February 03,2010 at 11:38 AM IST
ALl are fihting for mumbai, who is fighting for India? i think no one not even Shiv sena or MNS. we are youth now we need to stand see what should be done. learn from Rahul he can be idol.
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February 03,2010 at 04:31 PM IST
Common, Not another Gandhi! (no offense to the Mahatma). Definitely not him, after the kind of speech he has made recently to score the votes in Bihar.
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February 03,2010 at 11:40 AM IST
India is a country with different states with different cultures. Although i disagree with behavior of ss goons but it is important for the others to know that mumbai belongs more to the locals and the marathi people. There is no harm in learning marathi and respecting their culture if u want to stay there. it is easy for 10different outsiders to learn one language than a local learning 10different languages.
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February 03,2010 at 11:48 AM IST
Most of the Taxi drivers in the cities across the world like NewYork, Montreal, Singapore, Dubai and Mumbai are Indians. Unfortunately they are subject to hatred and threat only in Mumbai. I simply wonder why India can't have friendly relationship with Mumbai?
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February 03,2010 at 11:53 AM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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February 03,2010 at 12:29 PM IST
i think gunjan you should be there in maharastra only b'coz u r some people who are deviding our country such a crap in our country and i have 1 suggestion for you not to work in any company where indians are working (People rest of the country apart from maharastra), not to go at any another place where there are indians, not to study in any english school even not to write in any another language apart from marathi even i think you should not take the breadth b'coz every indian is taking into the same you should develop sumthing new for your matathies people.
You people seems katputlli of Thakre's hand.
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February 03,2010 at 05:03 PM IST
jo tumhe kabhi nahi milaga
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February 03,2010 at 12:00 PM IST
Thoughts of the author are very lack intellect and knowledge of city or history..As the author Says the original name was Bombay and not mumbai is baseless...here are some citations
"Mirat-i-Ahmedi referred to the city as Manbai in 1507. The earliest Portuguese writer to refer to the city as Bombaim was Gaspar Correia in 1508, as recorded in his Lendas da Índia ("Legends of India"). Portuguese explorer Duarte Barbosa mentions a reference to the city in a complex form, as Tana-Maiambu or Benamajambu in 1516.Tana appears to refer to the name of the adjoining town of Thane, and Maiambu seems to refer to Mumba-Devi, the Hindu goddess after which the place is named in Marathi. Other variations of the name recorded in the 16th and the 17th centuries are, Mombayn (1525), Bombay (1538), Bombain (1552), Bombaym (1552), Monbaym (1554), Mombaim (1563), Mombaym (1644), Bambaye (1666), Bombaiim (1666), Bombeye (1676), and Boon Bay (1690)"
So if you see the name Mumbai is ratained from Mumba Devi which is much prior to portugese arrival.
Well we dont deny that the street vendors are hardworking and simple people..but their assimilation to the local culture is definately doubtful..Go and ask any any Marathi, gujrathi or parsi who are original inhabitors of the land the attitude of mumbai autowalas and you will get your answers Mr Saxena
Well if there is a proposal of nmoving out the so called taxpaying PSU and corporates are concerned we will be happy Mr. Saxena if any such move is initiated...atleast the city which is crippling in its infrastructure will breath easy due to reduced population...
its easy to write blogs but do your homework well...if you feel so much love for the poor and downtrodden people go and help UP and Bihar...we will be happy to join you
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February 03,2010 at 12:07 PM IST
MUMBAI WAS AND IS FOR ALL INDIANS. THESE GHATIS ARE WORTHLESS IDIOTS GOOD AT NOTHING EXCEPT FIGHTING. THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH EVERY STATE AND EVERY BODY IN GENERAL. THESE GHATIS IF THEY ARE SO PROUD OF SHOULD STAND AT TEH BORDERS ALONE AND PROTECT INDIA, AS THEIR SO CALLED MAHARASHTRA IS IN INDIA AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THESE JOKERS LIKE THE THAKREY CLAN ARE OLD HOGS TRYING TO GAIN SOME FACE IN THE INDIAN POLITICS BY CREATING SUCH ISSUES IN THE 21ST CENTURY INDIA. SUCH PEOPLE NEVER GROW AND NEVER LET OTHERS GROW AS WELL. THEY ARE SOCIAL TERRORISTS. OK MUMBAI MIGHT BE A SAFER PLACE DUE TO SENA ELSE THESE MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE HAD EATEN US ALL UP BY NOW. BUT APART FROM THIS , THESE GHATIS KNOW NOTHING ! THEY HAVE OPENED DARU CHI BHATTIS WHILE HARD WORKING BHAIYAS HAVE PROVIDED MILK AND VEGETABLES TO THE CITY OF MUMBAI. THERE ARE SO MANY GHATIS IN DIFFERENT INDIAN STATES AND EVEN IN POLITICS AND ABROAD, WHY WERE THEY ALLOWED BY THE GREAT THAKREYS (HAH) TO GO? DOESN'T MAHARASHTRA NEED THEIR SERVICES? SHAME ON THE GOONDA CULTURE PROMOTED BY THAKREYS, THAKREYS FEEL AS IF MUMBAI BELOG TO THEIR BAAP DADAS. MAHARASHTRA HAD JUST ONE HERO,SHIVAJI AND THESE GHATIS ARE OVER OBSESSED WITH HIM. THE OTHER ONE WAS BABASAHEB, BUT HE WAS A BUDDHIST, SO THAKREY WONT PROMOTE HIM! LOOK AT STATES OF NORTH INDIA AND WEST INDIA, THEY HAVE PRODUCED LEADING POLITICAL PERSONALITIES AND GREAT LEADERS. WHAT HAVE GHATIS GIVEN? AMCHI MAATI AND AMCHI MANOOS? WAKE UP GHATIS, U NEED THE WORLD AND THE WOLD CAN DO WITHOUT U , OH YES BUT NOT OUR HOMES! U GUYS ARE SEVAK KAUMB, SO SERVE US! LEAVE THE JAI GHATI SLOGAN AND SAY JAI HUMAN. DO SOME THING GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY FOR ITS PEOPLE, THEY PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER U GHATIS POSITIVELY, ELSE U ALL WERE GHATIS AND WILL REMAIN GHATIS FOR NEXT SEVERAL GENERATIONS. WAKE UP GHATIS1 BECOME CIVILIZED AND MORE HUMAN. i FULLY SUPPORT MUKESH AMBANI AND RAHUL GANDHI AND ADVISE THE WORTHLESS JOKER CLASS THAKREY FAMILY TO LEARN FROM LEADER LIKE NARENDRA MODI
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February 05,2010 at 01:00 AM IST
Your article is too offensive and derogatory. Ofcourse what else can be expected ?
Someone has already given the list of persons who contributed to Indian cause. I can add some more ( select)..
Economist C. D. Deshmukh, Astrophysicist Jayant Narlikar, Nuclear Scientist Anil Kakodkar,Bharat Ranas/Magsaysay awardees..Karve,Vinoba Bhave, baba Amte..and others,Scientists/Technologists, indian/international business personalities...Dr.Vijay Bhatkar ( C-Dac), Dr. Mashelkar ( CSIR),Dr. Gowarikar Space Scientist, Dr. Bhandarkar,Vikram Pandit ( Citibank), Dinesh Keskar ( Boing), IT/Engineering and other industries run by Maharashtrians...Kirloskar, Camlin, Geodesic computers, Persistence computers, KPIT Cummins,Kulkarni Power tools, Bharat Forge, GTL, NIIT and many other Industry groups..Film and entertainment..V. Shantaram, C. Ramchandra, Vasant Desai, Raam Laxman, Ashutosh Gowarikar, Madhur Bhandarkar, Nutan, Tanuja, Nalini Jaiwant, Usha Kiran, Padmini Kolhapure, Urmila Matondkar, Laxmikant ( Music director), Sadhana sargam, Numerous Hindustani Clasical singers..Bal Gandharve, Sawai Gandharva, Kishori Amonkar,Vishnu Digamber Paluskar, Bhatkhande, Vasantrao Deshpande. Long list of repute can be produced. Contribution of Maharashtrians in Military can also be produced, but that would mean dividing military service contribution on regional basis.
I don't know from which state you are, but your comments are in bad taste.
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February 03,2010 at 04:20 PM IST
I m no Historian. Though your comments are offensive and derogatory, I am not surprised. But, it inspires me to remind people like yourself of few noted personalities...
Bal Gangadhar Tilak,
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar,
Veer Savarkar,
Rajguru,
Tatya Topey,
Angrey,
Rani Laxmibai,
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj,
Saint Dnyaeshwar,
Saint Tukaram,
Saint Namdeo,
VP Kale,
PL Deshpande,
Lata Mangeshkar,
Asha Bhonsle,
Madhuri Dixit... and so on... my history is little week.
But, please do not consider this is for retaliation.
God has not created anything in the universe that is useless. Everyone is important.
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February 03,2010 at 04:27 PM IST
Yes, you have given leaders like Mayawati, Mulayam, Lallooo Yadav who have looted the country.
Remember, when the UP and Bihari bhayyas were lying prostate before the foreign invaders, it is Maratha armies which flew the saffron flag all over India including Attak.
Maharashtra is not a progressive state just because of Mumbai. We have a rich history in culture, religious and spiritual movements like bhakti, the state has given innumerable leaders like Tilak, Gokhale and Agarkar.
Do not spread hatred. If you do not like life in Maharashtra you are free to go back to Darbhanga or Sarsaha from where you have come.
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February 03,2010 at 12:08 PM IST
Mr.Saxena and all the other paraprantiyas who are licking his b**ties over here, please get lost to your filthy hovels in North India and roll in the shit over there.
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February 03,2010 at 12:37 PM IST
i think you should be there in maharastra only b'coz u r some people who are deviding our country such a crap in our country and i have 1 suggestion for you not to work in any company where indians are working (People rest of the country apart from maharastra), not to go at any another place where there are indians, not to study in any english school even not to write in any another language apart from marathi even i think you should not take the breath in this air b'coz every indian is taking into the same you should develop sumthing new for your marathies people.
You people seems katputlli of Thakre's hand.
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February 03,2010 at 12:16 PM IST
Basically there are two types of forces - Unifying and Divisive. As explicit from the name Unifying forces will try for integration, narrowing down the divide be it region, religion, cast, outlook, education or linguistic characteristics. And the Divisive forces will always try to disintegrate, split the unit. We the Indians are familiar with the divide and rule policy of the Britishers. Subsequently too the group exists who try to divide the nation on the name of Hindu - Muslim, Backward Caste - Forward Caste, Shia - Sunni, English Medium - Vernacular Medium, Most Backward Castes - Other Backward Castes, Covent educated - Non convent educated. Marathi - Non Marathi is just another classification serving the interests of a particular group. We should always remember that all these divisive forces are for the benefit of a selected few while all the unifying forces are for the benefit of larger mass. Most importantly divisive forces always harm some people or group while unifying forces will never harm any body, at worst few of them may remain unaffected.
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February 03,2010 at 12:18 PM IST
Gujaratis OK. Southis OK. Punjabis OK. But Talibanis? Na. Na. Mumbai is not for UP and Bihar...The Gutter of India.
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February 03,2010 at 12:58 PM IST
It's seems to your act that how educated
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February 03,2010 at 02:39 PM IST
nobody is OK...Mumbai only for Hindu marathis ..you cannt understand the mission of our shiv sena supremo shi***ad a*****e
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February 03,2010 at 12:19 PM IST
Mr.Saxena and all the other paraprantiyas who are licking his b**ties over here, please get lost to your filthy hovels in North India and roll in the shit over there.
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February 03,2010 at 12:25 PM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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February 03,2010 at 12:25 PM IST
It's a global world we live in , the whole world is expected to treat everyone equally.If you have it in you , you earn and live anywhere you want.
If any country,state,individual doesn't stand with this thought is surely a coward,incompetent,scared and sick inside.
In india state-ism is a big deal.Tamil naidu , andhra,punjab,up and all.
wise man said,,,anything that is in majority or can be found all over Doesn't make it correct.few examples could be like sati,caste,child marriage,racism etc...
It's time we should think like a civilized soul and let others live because then only others will let us live.
The world is driven by Cheap media today and we all should understand this , We don't belong to a state , we belong to country and we all are free to move , work , live anywhere in our coutry.
I am a solider , Should I protect people from my NATIVE place and let all you guys die becuase you don't belong to my NATIVE place.
OR
Please don't make me think twice.
I was ready to die with a smile on my Indian-face just to keep all my indian bros Live happily and together.
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February 03,2010 at 12:49 PM IST
We are proud of you. We are proud to be an Indian.
I hope your voice will come across the country.
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February 03,2010 at 12:28 PM IST
Peter Parker seems to be under the impression that Sobhan Saxena is a woman despite his beard.
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February 03,2010 at 12:31 PM IST
WHO BUILD BOMBAY NOT MARATHIS, BUT FIRST THE BRITISHERS AND THEN THE MIGRANTS AND WHAT DID SHIV SENA DID. MUMBAI AMCHI ANI BANDI GHASA TUMCHI. IF HE WANTED TO BRING UP MAHRATIS HE SHOULD HAVE PUT UP BETTER SCHOOLS AND NOT THE ONE WHICH IS WORST THAN THE PUBLIC TOILETS. FOOLING THE POOR MARATHIS HE HAS BUILD BULLION RUPEES EMPIRE AND THE MARATHI PEOPLE ARE STILL TODAY WORKIG AS HOUSEMAIDS AND CLEANERS AND HE WANTS TO TAKE AND MBA JOB AND GIVE IT TO THEM. LET HIM FIRST EDUCATE THE MARATIS AND THEN THEY WILL FIGHT FOR THEMSELVES BUTT THEN THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT NEED HIM,
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February 08,2010 at 05:31 PM IST
Do you know where the bhangis come from, who dig's the road's, who manages the sulabh sauchalayas, who cleans the railway tracks, who work as construction workers. They are all non-marathi.
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February 03,2010 at 12:32 PM IST
Its very shameful..
My dear friends, first we are INDIANS and as a Indian we have rights to leave anywhere in India. So don't listen what political parties are saying.
We are ONE and don't allow any one to split our unity.
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February 03,2010 at 12:48 PM IST
Maharashtra (M) and states like bihar,UP (X) are like siblings.M is fortunate enough to have a pen(Opprotunities) which X does not have.M is happy to share it when it doesn't need it.When it does need the pen for himself he will rightly fight for it with the X as it doesn't have a choice.
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February 03,2010 at 12:49 PM IST
It's a global world we live in , the whole world is expected to treat everyone equally.If you have it in you , you earn and live anywhere you want.
If any country,state,individual doesn't stand with this thought is surely a coward,incompetent,scared and sick inside.
In india state-ism is a big deal.Tamil naidu , andhra,punjab,up and all.
wise man said,,,anything that is in majority or can be found all over Doesn't make it correct.few examples could be like sati,caste,child marriage,racism etc...
It's time we should think like a civilized soul and let others live because then only others will let us live.
The world is driven by Cheap media today and we all should understand this , We don't belong to a state , we belong to country and we all are free to move , work , live anywhere in our coutry.
I am a solider , Should I protect people from my NATIVE place and let all you guys die becuase you don't belong to my NATIVE place.
OR
Please don't make me think twice.
I was ready to die with a smile on my Indian-face just to keep all my indian bros Live happily and together.
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February 03,2010 at 01:53 PM IST
Kudos to Deepak! U are a true Indian.
I really hope that all the others who are barking at each other thru this blog, read your comments.
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February 03,2010 at 12:54 PM IST
The debate is endless but does it mean a poor landless labour from Vidarbha, Kalahandi or Madhubani cannot go to other part of the country to earn his livelihood,that too in present world where Ambani brothers are welcome in almost all the countries of the world (forget about the places within country). If the answer is "Yes", forget about the country called "India" think about how to stop disintegration of our nuclear family where in somebody is unemployed, somebody is old, somebody is physically challenged. I am neither an historian who can say with authority what Mumbai was called initially nor an economist who can give verdict that the root cause for the spread of recent hatred in Mumbai is due to economic reasons (job losses in textile and diamond industry and poor agricultural productivity). But as a common Indian my head bows down with shame that at international forums (particularly at WTO) India is strongly advocating free movement of "Labour" across the globe citing example that post liberalisation Capital and Entrepreneur is on free float why the labour should be restricted and fortunately enough India's stand is getting enough support from all third world countries, but unfortunately we are unable to do the same even in our own country.
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February 19,2010 at 04:37 PM IST
Britisher's also came here to do business, after that you all know what they did, today maharashtra is facing the same problem from this parprantiya shits. Go back to where you came from.
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February 03,2010 at 12:57 PM IST
I really wish Maharashtra becomes a SEPERATE country someday.
And then, with the help of China and Pakistan, we'll bomb all the rest of India back into Stone Age. And so will be the end of these inbred bas**rds called paraprantiyas.
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February 03,2010 at 03:28 PM IST
Amit Mamu Ko Jaadu Ki Jhappi Kii Jaroorat hai. Chill Man!
Guys, this is a revolutionary age. Blogging is a very good platform and could be used for more healthy discussions. Suggest you to show your intensity in understanding and sharing your knowledge constructively.
It seems some people are using it to vent their frustration. Healthy arguments could benefit the mankind.
Please think!!!
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February 03,2010 at 12:58 PM IST
I dont know on wht basis, Mr. Saxena is quoting that the city name was bombay. Name mumbai came from name of Godess Mumba Devi(godess). Its not like, shivsena-mns has created this name. C'mon man its more than 13 years now, that the city name was from Bombay to mumbai..still people (including Mr. Shoban Saxena...the so called author of this blog....) keep calling it as "Bombay".
U ppl will never call chennai as madrass..u ll never call kolkata as calcutta....
Only after three days of this name change, international community started to recognise bombay as mumbai..when people in india will learn this thing.
In india states are devided on the basis of languages, so whats wrong if someone says marathis should given higher preferences in mumbai-maharashtra....
Same will be applicable if some one from mumbai-maharashtra settles in other state..i mean whats wrong in that.
In asam two years back, assamis set ablaze around 14 bihari people aive. No one reported this incidence, same happened in banglore during railways recruitment exams. Not a single national media covered this issue. But in mumbai if small thing happens, media people will create huge issue out of that.
I think bihar & Up are most highest natural resources owning states in india. So u ppl can just think how much jobs these states can create. But, unfortunately idiot polititians there are interested in filling up there own pockets, so who will care for people there.
No one is saying mumbai is not a part of india but, mumbai has some limits. In mubai 1000 people are living in area for 100. But no one is even cared for that....
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February 03,2010 at 01:03 PM IST
The debate is endless but does it mean a poor landless labour from Vidarbha, Kalahandi or Madhubani cannot go to other part of the country to earn his livelihood,that too in present world where Ambani brothers are welcome in almost all the countries of the world (forget about the places within country). If the answer is "Yes", forget about the country called "India" think about how to stop disintegration of our nuclear family where in somebody is unemployed, somebody is old, somebody is physically challenged. I am neither an historian who can say with authority what Mumbai was called initially nor an economist who can give verdict that the root cause for the spread of recent hatred in Mumbai is due to economic reasons (job losses in textile and diamond industry and poor agricultural productivity). But as a common Indian my head bows down with shame that at international forums (particularly at WTO) India is strongly advocating free movement of "Labour" across the globe citing example that post liberalisation Capital and Entrepreneur is on free float why the labour should be restricted and fortunately enough India's stand is getting enough support from all third world countries, but unfortunately we are unable to do the same even in our own country.
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February 03,2010 at 01:12 PM IST
Why this all bhashanbaji done to Maharashtrians.
Why dont You force people in SouthIndia to Just speak Hindi.
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February 03,2010 at 01:58 PM IST
You know what, people like the Thackrey's are in reality "HIJRAS" , and nothing else. For the simple reason being they shout and claim they are fighting for the "MARATHI MANOOS". But their hypocrisy shows how the poor Vidharba farmers are committing suicide. Where are they when such things happen. Why fight just ofr the city dwellers.Is "BOMBAY" your personal property? Just one look at the state will tell you what these a***oles have done for it. I am a Marathi myself, and the eastern part of Maharshtra is still living in the dark ages while the West develops. If you are so worried about marathis why not develop it equally, why cry foul over other state people coming here? Marathis also go to North India for jobs and business. These are nothing but just a bunch of "LOOSERS" who have no agenda but to create ruckus whenever there is valentine's day, or in a media-office, or extorting money from a producer/director. But when "BOMBAY" was in real need like 26/11 these rats with their nipple-head were hiding in some shit-holes.
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February 03,2010 at 02:12 PM IST
The Thakrey's are a bunch of "a*******s" trying desperately for their "loosers "(read Raj & Udav) to enter politics. That's the reason trying all the tactics to win favor. Now when the time is ripe for India to move ahead and make its own position in the international arena, loosers like these are pulling it back. People who would fall for this must be insane. Time has come for India to be seen among the developed nations. We all have to work hard to build our nation, but not by following what some looser, iliterate Thakrey says to us. Miles to go before we sleep.
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February 03,2010 at 02:19 PM IST
bihar rocks!!!
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February 03,2010 at 02:22 PM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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February 03,2010 at 02:39 PM IST
I totally agree with you. Its very sad when you hear leaders say things that hurt people who are basically not from maharashtra. My parents are from Kerala, but I was born and brought up here...I feel this to be my real home. But recent comments from political leaders make me feel like an alien - unwanted by this city. I know this is not the view of the majority of the people basically from Maharashtra, but still when you meet people on the street, in your organizations, you are not sure what view point they have and how we should approach them. I have a lot of Marathi friends and I hope I have still more. I pray all these politicians stop such interferance in a good relationship, and think about better things that will really help the common man.
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February 03,2010 at 02:52 PM IST
claim of ss-mns so srong for mumbai which much under one roof.Send them to claim pok or part of leh-ladakh thts under china.
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February 03,2010 at 03:01 PM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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Of course, you want your own country Maharashtra, then we can all divide India as a piece of cake and live ‘happily ever after’ like the Russians are doing right now, isn’t it? I really wonder are we as INDIANS really educated — not by getting a certificate but literally by thought, attitude and sentiments.
The recent spate of antagonism against north Indians is quite worrying. Not because one illiterate cartoonist is getting his political agenda fulfilled but because the so-called educated people are agreeing with his policies. Do we ever ask our soldiers, who fight for us whether they are Marathis or non-Marathis? Do we ask the doctor who saves our life whether he is a Maharashtrian? Do we enquire of our GOD whether he is a Maharashtrian God? Can someone please ask RT why if he hates North Indians so much, than he has 3 north Indians in his defence counsel?? Why if Maharashtra does not need North Indian labourers than factories are shutting down in Nasik and Nagpur as North Indian workers are shifting base? Are all the problems in Mumbai due to them???? What about the illegal immigrants who have managed to get ration card in our country? What about those terrorist who are willing to kill us all in just one strike. But we are so immersed in hatred for our fellow people that we cannot see the threats and danger ahead of us. There was a time when I was proud to say I am an INDIAN. Even while I was living abroad I used to proudly declare I come from a country where we respect one another. The recent events have shattered my pride in my own country and my own people.
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February 03,2010 at 03:01 PM IST
that was a great one Ms. Saxena.The people of Maharashtra or the so called "Marathi" has no existence of their own right from the beginning till today.Bombay has existence only because of us--the north Indians..
its a clear fact that if north Indians will vacate Bombay then it will be converted into shambles within no time with hit hard economy.they should be in fact grateful to the north Indians that we are working in their state.
and they should keep in mind that they are only a handful in respect to the large force of north Indians..so they should better keep their mouth shut to maintain the peace in their state or else they will have to pay price for that.
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February 03,2010 at 04:11 PM IST
You seem to be living in a fool's paradise. Mumbai was better off before the influx form UP and Bihar came.
Maharashtrians seems to have no problems with Punjabis and Sindhis who came much before the bhayyas, likewise the marwaris or Gujratis because they have tried to assimilate and not boss over the locals .
The trouble with a bhayya is that he starts indulging in politics wherever he goes. When Kripashankar was told about the influx of bhayyas he said I will get two lac people more into Mumbai.
Stay in Mumbai, respect the local culture learn or at least attempt to learn the local language an dyou will be accepted .
You bhayyas think the whole country is your property
As regards your statement that Maharashtrians are only handful in number, all that has to be done is to block all trains from UP and Bihar at the Maharashtra borders to bring you to mother earth.
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February 04,2010 at 04:30 PM IST
Please dont be under this wrong impression.There might be only a handful maharashtrians in Mumbai, but there is a huge number of Maharashtrians from other parts of Maharashtra who will join Mumbaikars, and pull you(North Indians) guys out of your houses and smash you.
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February 19,2010 at 04:45 PM IST
Abe Dhakkan, Don't force us to kick your ass. You will fly to your native place immediately if we do that.
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February 03,2010 at 03:08 PM IST
Let us begin by sayin that the city is called Mumbai and not Bombay.You wouldnt dare to call Kolkata as Culcutta, or Chennai as Madras.
Secondly just so you know,there is nothing wrong with migrants.What the problem with he migrants like you is the blatant disrespect to Marathi language and culture.The way you showed your blatant disrespect for Marathi by referring to Mumbai as Bombay.You claim that these migrants do respect the culture and you suddenly state how hard working they are without trying to prove the authenticity of your statement like you have done previously.You should stop spreading lies.It is time the people of Mumbai kick you out for disrespecting the people.andlet me infrom that no one forces the migrants to live in their filthy howels.they can stay in their villages and seek job their.most of they should stop spreading like virus.
as for the corporates they are free to move out.they can go to Bengaluroo,you really need to make an effort to get the names right.
As for them being friendly and cheap.yes they are cheap in their behviour but not at all friendly.No wonder they get attacked wherever they go.Be it in Maharashtra , W Bengal, Assam, Punjab or the South India. The anomosity in India is unknown in the outside world yet they are even beaten up in Australia.Just go and find out the names of those attacked in Australia. It is because of the obnoxious and I -know -better-than-thou attitude, the lack of flexibility that gets them so much anmosity.after all when you migrate you need to adjust to the local culture.You wouldnt go to the US without knowing Enlish will you?Then why come to Maharashtra without knowing Marathi?
You should respect locals and they will respect you.You cannot demand respect.As for our abilities, go visit silicon valley.They too are migrants, and they have been living peacefully with locals.Its the culture.We teach respect and adaptability,humility.You grow up as chauvinist.Thats the difference in culture.Rutwij
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February 03,2010 at 06:43 PM IST
Jin din hum wapas jayenge, ush din tum hamare yahan aaoge!(when we leave, you will come to us) And then the same story begin!
OMG, bless us.
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February 03,2010 at 03:27 PM IST
General: Only thing now left is to fight between ourselves, as if the troubles created by the idiots sitting across the border (and ofcourse a few in India) are not enough. The policies of Shiv sena and MNS is already rejected by the patriotic Marathis itself, and now to stay afloat, these two goonda groups are trying to make some issue, out of nothing. Instead of trying to make this great city to look like a Hongkong or Shanghai, they want to make the people to fight each other and ruin it further. Bombay (how nice it is to say Bombay than mumbai) belongs to all Indians and for that reason every nook and corner of the country belongs to all Indians. Because today's bombay is made by all Indians, consisting Marathis, Bhiaris, Bhaiyas and madrasees. Let us share what we have and let us all be happy. Jai Hind.
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February 03,2010 at 03:32 PM IST
I want my own country Maharastra
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February 03,2010 at 03:41 PM IST
First say Madras belongs to all Indians. We will speak Hindi in Tamil Nadu and so and so forth and then talk about Mumbai belonging to India..
Mumbai is capital of Maharashtra and Marathi is a necessity as Tamil is in Madras.
Its as simple as that!
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February 19,2010 at 04:58 PM IST
Actually Marathi people are promoting hindi, look at hindi people many marathi artists, singers and technician work there because hindi movies have wider market in india and neighbouring countries. and since they started communicating in hindi with other migrant, it benefited ant anaar, gavaar lachar to come and settle very easily in mumbai and only after fifty years of independence they realized it and thank god even now it is not too late, kick all those hindi wala to their native place. All those north indian come to mumbai to feed their hungry stomach.
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February 03,2010 at 03:50 PM IST
Saxena is right ... it is the crooked politicians of all hues who are putting ppl against ppl ... first it happened on religion and the country was divided ... now it is parochial casteism and regionalism based on linguitsic bellicosity. SS agenda is to make Maharashtra and Mumbai an exclusivly Maratha realm and estate for their own political gains ... this would not work ... I am a Hindi speaking and shd have no problems in learning/speaking Marathi like if go to or live/work in France I will be expected to speak French ... imho, changing Bombay to Mumbai has not improved anything in the city ... except to satisfy a Maratha sense of upmanship and chauvinism ...
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February 03,2010 at 03:53 PM IST
The bhayya writer of this article claims that the bhayya taxi drivers are honest. Nothing can be farther from the truth. These bhayyas come form UP and Bihar, start driving taxis in Mumbai without licences. They do not know the roads. It has happened several times with me. I stop a taxi, the bhayya asks where to go and when I telll him, he says saab jara rasta bata dena. Thwey are also dishonest. Has anyone seen them denying fares in front of railwayb stations?
They must be kicked out.
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February 03,2010 at 03:53 PM IST
Saxena is right ... it is the crooked politicians of all hues who are putting ppl against ppl ... first it happened on religion and the country was divided ... now it is parochial casteism and regionalism based on linguitsic bellicosity. SS agenda is to make Maharashtra and Mumbai an exclusivly Maratha realm and estate for their own political gains ... this would not work ... I am a Hindi speaking and shd have no problems in learning/speaking Marathi like if go to or live/work in France I will be expected to speak French ... imho, changing Bombay to Mumbai has not improved anything in the city ... except to satisfy a Maratha sense of upmanship and chauvinism ...
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February 03,2010 at 08:57 PM IST
How about to call u Parajay Agarwal, it does not change anything 'material', right? so what that u feel insulted that people don't respect your wishes to be called by your proper name? People of Maharashtra have chosen to call it Mumbai, let's respect it.
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February 03,2010 at 04:01 PM IST
I am surprised..I thought its only our idiots politician idea to seperate Mumbai from India....I never thought such fluent english speaking people also feels the same...I am ashamed now...even our youth group doesnt understand the importance of staying in Unity....We are Indians and thats what make us strong and I dont understand why people still not realize this thing.
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February 03,2010 at 04:03 PM IST
D/A,
Let's maintain the decorum of the forum.We may agree or we may not with Mr. Saxena's view's on the current state of affair's.
We Indian's have transformed ourself's from a land of snake charmer's to a valley of silicon.We have come a long way after independence only due to sheer hardwork,entrepreneurship and a desire to be the best among the best.
It's a rareest of rare phenomenon among all nation's to come to term's with a diversity as unique as our's.We the people call God by different names,wear a sari/lehnga or a dhoti, have dal roti or a missal pav or a hilsha rice.But a thing is commonamong us all "We treat our guest's as an image of the almighty and make sure he leaves our home happily"
We the people carry a lot of emotion and pride which we value a lot.Emotional in performing beyond call of duty, and take pride when a person of indian origin is given a Nobel overseas.
We india's are also veryeasily carried away be it cricket or a debate on regaional issues.
We have come a long way as a nation of people who cn boast of being the 2nd fastest growing economy or a major military power (all indegeneous).we can't come across a country as diverse as our's, we have to accept our strength becomes our uniqueness, when we are binded with one spirit, that is what fuel's us.
The politics of caste, region and religion is all above us.The children of every taxiwalla await's his/her father to return home with sweet's and cloth's..the textbook he read's tell's him that United we stand and divided we fall.
Everyone of us want to prosper, why do we need a political party to dictate our live's..why can't we join forces to plant more trees..take effort in keeping the city clean..speak against women molestation and donating blood to social causes.
We are a weapon of mass improvement,let not this weapon be used by a political party to secure a legislative seat instead help our economy grow by leap's and bound's.
We the people can't be taken for a ride from nowon.
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February 03,2010 at 04:09 PM IST
D/A,
Let's maintain the decorum of the forum.We may agree or we may not with Mr. Saxena's view's on the current state of affair's.
We Indian's have transformed ourself's from a land of snake charmer's to a valley of silicon.We have come a long way after independence only due to sheer hardwork,entrepreneurship and a desire to be the best among the best.
It's a rareest of rare phenomenon among all nation's to come to term's with a diversity as unique as our's.We the people call God by different names,wear a sari/lehnga or a dhoti, have dal roti or a missal pav or a hilsha rice.But a thing is commonamong us all "We treat our guest's as an image of the almighty and make sure he leaves our home happily"
We the people carry a lot of emotion and pride which we value a lot.Emotional in performing beyond call of duty, and take pride when a person of indian origin is given a Nobel overseas.
We india's are also veryeasily carried away be it cricket or a debate on regaional issues.
We have come a long way as a nation of people who cn boast of being the 2nd fastest growing economy or a major military power (all indegeneous).we can't come across a country as diverse as our's, we have to accept our strength becomes our uniqueness, when we are binded with one spirit, that is what fuel's us.
The politics of caste, region and religion is all above us.The children of every taxiwalla await's his/her father to return home with sweet's and cloth's..the textbook he read's tell's him that United we stand and divided we fall.
Everyone of us want to prosper, why do we need a political party to dictate our live's..why can't we join forces to plant more trees..take effort in keeping the city clean..speak against women molestation and donating blood to social causes.
We are a weapon of mass improvement,let not this weapon be used by a political party to secure a legislative seat instead help our economy grow by leap's and bound's.
We the people can't be taken for a ride from nowon.
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February 03,2010 at 04:18 PM IST
Saxena although you are reporter, your knowledge is too little , even you don't know the rename of Bombay. Keep in mind, if you have , its name is Mumbai. Mazi Mumbai, Amachi Mumbai. , Nahi kunachya bapachi.....
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February 03,2010 at 04:24 PM IST
"The third lie is that the North Indians do not respect the local culture and local people. Again a pure lie" Mr.Saxena, you have excelled in contradicting yourself in purest form with the title of your blog.If you can't even respect the legitimate name of the city, you have no business to talk about the rest.I am all for Mumbai being for everyone but people like you are responsible for inflaming the sentiments with nonsense like this,RECLAIM some sense YOURSELF first then preach others.
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February 03,2010 at 04:29 PM IST
Brother Saxena,
u told wht ur heart feels...we society has influnce of time through which we are going.
i read wht u write. i answered for ur quistion..
u told bombay is original name of mumbai. u may right. but u know which are original name of DELHI. It is INDRAPRASTHA. but we r calling it as Delhi. even we are calling it as New Delhi. we can accept its new name.then what u people hav problem to call mumbai as mumbai. bcs it it is given by Marathi Manoos. If it was BAMBAI then i know u wil ready to accept it. it is given by u people. ok.
second thing is most thinkful. why u cant think all are cming mumbai. i know u cant think. bcs sytem from ur states is shameless,undevloped, with no progressive. it wants to stay as it is. but maharashtriyan is progressive. they accept new challenges and fight agains it. but u cant chaleng ur system in states. bcs u people hav no daring to fight. u cannot create ur MUMBAI in ur states. it needs GUTS.and ur states pay reveneu in growth of 'POPULATION RISE' only.
Third thing u wrote North Indians arre polite.yes they are polite but with North INdians only and forigners. can u tell whether any king yaa emperor that woke up agains and fight with Muslims and British later. bcs ur history knowledge is good.
I can read speak and understand HINDI. but ur people not.
ok. BEST not LASt Maharashrtiyan can creats many mumbai(it is proved by seeing poona thane nashik nagpur). i hope u wil also think abt Kashmir and North-est Indai. and wil write abt it. i m waiting .
best luck.
Jai Hind. Jay Maharashtra.
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February 03,2010 at 05:00 PM IST
Thakerays and their pet dogs pose bigger threat to our country than the pak terrorists. Because we have a mighty army to handle the external enemy but there is no way to handle these internal enemies. This is a major weakness of democracy in India.
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February 03,2010 at 05:01 PM IST
Yes the migrants make the Marathi manoos feel inferior when they beat them in every possible competition,snatch their jobs and growth appreciation of Maharashtra state.Maharashtra politicians then rationalize this by delivering hatred speeches(shear display of inferiority complex)against the migrants ignoring the incompetency of the locals.
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February 04,2010 at 12:33 AM IST
its nhot much competetion if it is biased is it?u north Indians cannot beat the marathi manoos at anything other then in being cheats and thugs.Since the job adverts in govt are not given in local newspaper, u cant expect ne1 to apply for it.there ends the competition.that shows u have the inferiority complex.since u r tryin to undermime competiton.had it not been our ability, the silicon valley would not be populated by Maharashtrians or Vikram Pandit would not be the CEO of Citi group, Dr. Dinesh Kesker would not have been Prez of Boieng.
Similarly it had it not been for your obnoxious behavior and the chauvinist attitude perhaps you could have avoided being flayed everywhere you go. Just look at West Bengal, you got flayed there, same in Assam and South India. The Khalistan movement was for this reason too.Find out the names of the people attacked in Oz.Maharashtrians have settled in Oz.they are welcomed there.Then why are the North Indians settled there attacked? Why haas UK govt decided to suspended issuing Visas in North India? Is the whole world suffering from inferiority complex from people who could not develop their own state and had to leave to other state to search jobs?Perhaps its not the inferiority complex then but the inconvenience you cause by occupying every inch of space public or private by way of encroachment and building slums dirtying the surrounding areas with throwing around your litter.Perhaps its time you learned manners.It's these lack of manners and respect towards others that earn you the enemies.Learn civic sense.Most of all try to be humble.You talking about inferiority complex of Maharashtrians shows your lack that
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February 19,2010 at 06:45 PM IST
We done feel inferior or superior, we want to get rid of you parprantiya. This kind of freedom for us from you stomach hungry useless breed.
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February 03,2010 at 05:13 PM IST
Whole thing is, the natives are lazy, they shut their shops and business in afternoon to go to sleep for few hours.
Now with the influx of UP and Bihar folks who are more hardworking, there's been a risk for them to earn the easy money.
Frustrated by this, they've started crying, fact is they are the most lethargic amongst all Indian states.
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February 03,2010 at 05:46 PM IST
You are winning Raj Thackeray.
Look at all the comments above from our Indians. We are all fighting. Great job Raj.
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February 03,2010 at 05:56 PM IST
Hi
I don’t know why peoples from north are not blaming there politicians for there failures for providing basic needs to there peoples?
Why they are not able to create the jobs in there states?
Why the peoples from the north are not trying to understand the problems of Marathi peoples?
Here lots of peoples are leaving in the Mumbai like South, Gujarati, and Bengali, why we are not against them, because they are not interfering the politics of Maharashtra.
Why north peoples are so interested in Mumbai, Why they are increasing there strength in Maharashtra?
1. Because Mumbai is the financial capital of India and want to take control of the same.
2. North politicians are playing the dirty politics by keeping the gun on the shoulders of there peoples for taking the power of Mumbai, and it is not acceptable by Maharashtrians.
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February 03,2010 at 05:58 PM IST
Hi
I don’t know why peoples from north are not blaming there politicians for there failures for providing basic needs to there peoples?
Why they are not able to create the jobs in there states?
Why the peoples from the north are not trying to understand the problems of Marathi peoples?
Here lots of peoples are leaving in the Mumbai like South, Gujarati, and Bengali, why we are not against them, because they are not interfering the politics of Maharashtra.
Why north peoples are so interested in Mumbai, Why they are increasing there strength in Maharashtra?
1. Because Mumbai is the financial capital of India and want to take control of the same.
2. North politicians are playing the dirty politics by keeping the gun on the shoulders of there peoples for taking the power of Mumbai, and it is not acceptable by Maharashtrians.
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February 03,2010 at 06:09 PM IST
I haven't visited India from 1997 onwards but having been away has allowed me to have bird's eve view. Im not surprised the way things are going, though cant stop to wonder how much more worst it would get. The only three things ruling the india virtually cricket, film stars and senseless politics. I don't think any country of West would call this a politics. On top of that now media is joining a band. It may sound really harsh but this is the time India needs a war, a kind of war that she hasn't seen ever. Everything should be destroyed than only we can start building something new on a clean platform. I wish something drastically happens so that our focus get shifted from everything that is going on. Pardon me, but at times one needs to learn hard way.
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February 03,2010 at 06:19 PM IST
Mr Saxsena ....
1. about the name... the government elected by people of maharashtra has change the name of the city... so please respect it ... i dont think you are historian...so pls...
2. thugs are targeting innocent people
Please dont exaggerate....
Recently... there were few incidents of non violence against North Indians appearing for railway exams and few incidents related incidents.
I am not supporting violence but I do feel that in case of railway & government jobs there is some kind of nexus to promote or influence appointments in favor of North Indians.
3. I found the taxiwallahs and street vendors, almost all of whom come from UP and Bihar, to be honest and hard-working and simple people.
Question is not if people are honest or not... and what you are saying is incorrect..
4. Taxi license: again you are wrong... no one is throwing any one out...existing license holder will stay... its for new licenses... and again its 20 year old policy / law of the state.. so please respect...
5. about moving the HQ to banglore...
you should blame UP / bihar and other politicians for not developing their own state
if equal opportunities are created everywhere such problem will not arise
the real issue is marathi vs non marathi
the demand that local people should get preference in govt and non skill job is fair and in long terms it makes lot of sense socially and in terms of economics
We all are Indians and mumbai belongs to every indian. but
Shiv Sena and MNS are raising the issue of son of the soil.... let it be politically motivated action or ... but no one can deny the problems faced by son of the spoils like unemployment and injustice ....and that is the reason these parties are getting votes !!!!!
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February 03,2010 at 06:43 PM IST
ALL the fools over here arguuing for and against the marathi people. Kindly note that your words are just words... and will have no effect on either The Thakerays or the author or the situation in Mumbai/Bombay. Get on with your lives and stop arguing, blood pressure will increase thats all
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February 03,2010 at 07:57 PM IST
I PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN.I am with you for some of your points. But do you really write this blog as an indian. Truely speaking, do you believe in UNITY IN DIVERSITY of INDIA.then India is a multilingual, secular country.So we have respect it.If anybody, any state favours its language, after 63 years of independance.Then something goes wrong if you protest against it.
If we consider for Maharashtra, MUMBAI, then promoting it, will never be wrong.You already explains "BOMBAY" is given by foreigners.So you dont respect true INDIANESS.You have zero mind.You think only another side of the issue.
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February 03,2010 at 08:07 PM IST
Mr. Saxena,
You hardly seem to understand the actual problems faced by Marathi Manoos, here in Mumbai.
It’s high time for educated people like you to start relating with Marathi Manoos. Stop looking at the complete issue, merely from the humanitarian point of view.
The fact that, parties like Shivsena and MNS get votes, itself proves that there is some reality in what they preach. You talk about National Sovereignty, but all what Marathi Manoos is striving for is EQUALITY.
EQUALITY in Education – There are more than 20 engineering colleges in Mumbai which reserve 50% of their seats for some or the other caste or religion. Not a single engineering college which reserve seats for Marathi Manoos.
EQUALITY in Job Opportunity – Notifications about central government jobs in Mumbai or Maharashtra, are not published in Marathi newspapers.
EQUALITY in Value – It’s only in Mumbai that a local Marathi manoos is at times addressed as “Ghaati”, as if he is a blot to society.
(Above specified problems constitute only a small part of the complete story.)
You talked about big entrepreneurs coming to Mumbai from different states and starting their business here. These businesses today are contributing most of the money to Indian economy. Why don’t you accept that these people came to Mumbai because they saw some scope of opportunity here? It’s the Marathi Manoos who created this Mumbai which can help flourish any business. If other states like Bihar or Uttar Pradesh couldn’t do it, it’s not our problem.
Next time before writing such a blog, kindly pay added attention.
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February 03,2010 at 08:12 PM IST
Mr. Saxena,
You hardly seem to understand the actual problems faced by Marathi Manoos, here in Mumbai.
It’s high time for educated people like you to start relating with Marathi Manoos. Stop looking at the complete issue, merely from the humanitarian point of view.
The fact that, parties like Shivsena and MNS get votes, itself proves that there is some reality in what they preach. You talk about National Sovereignty, but all what Marathi Manoos is striving for is EQUALITY.
EQUALITY in Education – There are more than 20 engineering colleges in Mumbai which reserve 50% of their seats for some or the other caste or religion. Not a single engineering college which reserve seats for Marathi Manoos.
EQUALITY in Job Opportunity – Notifications about central government jobs in Mumbai or Maharashtra, are not published in Marathi newspapers.
EQUALITY in Value – It’s only in Mumbai that a local Marathi manoos is at times addressed as “Ghaati”, as if he is a blot to society.
(Above specified problems constitute only a small part of the complete story.)
You talked about big entrepreneurs coming to Mumbai from different states and starting their business here. These businesses today are contributing most of the money to Indian economy. Why don’t you accept that these people came to Mumbai because they saw some scope of opportunity here? It’s the Marathi Manoos who created this Mumbai which can help flourish any business. If other states like Bihar or Uttar Pradesh couldn’t do it, it’s not our problem.
Next time before writing such a blog, kindly pay added attention.
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February 03,2010 at 08:14 PM IST
Mr. Shoban Saxena
Your knowledge on history of bombay seems to be WRONG..
Here is an extract from book "Origin of Bombay"
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As for the Portuguese invention of the name Bombay we have seen already that it was one of the many phonetic changes in the pronunciation of the vernacular designation of Mumba or Mumbadevi, shortened into Mumbai. The Portuguese chroniclers have the following variations-Mumbai, Mombai, Mombay, Mombayn, Mombaym, Bombay and Bombay, the most common being Bombaim."
So it is indeed named after Mumbadevi.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE WRITING BLOGS and DON'T JUST COPY PASTE FROM INTERNET SITES
--A proud mumbaikar
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February 03,2010 at 08:17 PM IST
In all this disscuson on history I guess we all have forgotten that our constitution says "We the people of India.... ".Let us not forget that our freedom fighters not in the very distant past gave there lives to see India free and united.The genesis of a states name,culture etc is to be celebrated but cannot be used to divide.Let the people who work hard and want a better future for there children be given an oppurtunity to succeed.
Have the Thakreys of the world given a single thought to the fact that Marathis are welcomed in all parts of India and what about if all states start talking like them.Its disgusting that in tdays time we still are stuck in our provencial mind set.The world is looking towards us as a possible leader but these actions put us back by 100 yrs.
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February 03,2010 at 08:40 PM IST
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February 03,2010 at 09:37 PM IST
Marathi are not with Bal or Raj Thakare. The people who comment on such blogs are probably paid by these people. I talk to many marathi people and nobody (literally nobody) supports these goons .. at least in the educated society where I live.
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February 03,2010 at 10:10 PM IST
Wow! So many intellectual retards. I wish some of you bigoted hate mongers who hide behind the veil of "conservatism" research a bit of real history. It is amusing how cowards all over the world shout "regional nationalism" when success of a city or a country is built on the backs of immigrants. I was born and raised Bombay-ite and am proud of the fact that BOMBAY has and will continue to be a haven for new immigrants...no matter what the politicians or hate mongerers spew! EARN your job, only then you are a real Marathi Manoos!
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February 03,2010 at 11:14 PM IST
Well, If you see the roll of all the Govt offices and companies such as TCS, Wipro, Infy and others, you will find that more than 70% of the names are from outside Maharashtra. No where else this is true than Maharashtra. I is not that Marathi;s don;t have the capability. They probably don;t have money to pay for Govt employment and there are not too many Marathi interviewers adn HR people to enforce their cause as the recruitment is done in most cases outside Maharashtra and the person is told to join in Maharashtra job.
Political people such as Rahul Gandhi who has his own previledges of getting the crowd to wait for him are OK with the urbanization problems that arise due to this explansation, but local marathi manoos is feeling the pinch.
If Banglore or Chennai growsto the nature of Mumbai,it will not be long before we see such movements there as well.
Its high time for UP Bihar, Orissa, and West Bengal to do something for their own people rather tahn banking on their good ones to go find their fortunes and get them as well as local people of other regions at crossroads.
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February 03,2010 at 11:14 PM IST
Well, If you see the roll of all the Govt offices and companies such as TCS, Wipro, Infy and others, you will find that more than 70% of the names are from outside Maharashtra. No where else this is true than Maharashtra. I is not that Marathi;s don;t have the capability. They probably don;t have money to pay for Govt employment and there are not too many Marathi interviewers adn HR people to enforce their cause as the recruitment is done in most cases outside Maharashtra and the person is told to join in Maharashtra job.
Political people such as Rahul Gandhi who has his own previledges of getting the crowd to wait for him are OK with the urbanization problems that arise due to this explansation, but local marathi manoos is feeling the pinch.
If Banglore or Chennai growsto the nature of Mumbai,it will not be long before we see such movements there as well.
Its high time for UP Bihar, Orissa, and West Bengal to do something for their own people rather tahn banking on their good ones to go find their fortunes and get them as well as local people of other regions at crossroads.
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February 03,2010 at 11:22 PM IST
Dear Mr.Saxena
It is true that UP & Bihar’s are hard working, but they work hard over here because they here to earn money(which there state is incapable of providing them), it is similar to Indian abroad who work hard then locals at times without taking long weekend.
My question is why don't these hardworking UP & Bihar’s work hard in there own state.
Has anybody of you intellectual (?) People tried to analysis the sudden increase in so called rift in Maharashtrians & UP or Bihar people. I am not intellectual as you people but I think it is due to increase in population & Mumbai or other part of Maharashtra is incapable to produce or cater this need.
There is no need to reclaim Mumbai(Bombay) we should reclaim POK & the region along china boarder, so an humble request to all of the intellectual people like you who are wasting time in playing this dirty politics better concentrate on or try to reclaim POK which is more important.
Another question: if south Indian prefer calling Chennai for Madras & we Indians respect there values why don't you people respect values of Maharashtrian & call Bombay as Mumbai
Long live Indian democracy!
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a. Dont be so ultra sensitive. Everything said seems to be such a big insult for Marathi's. No one is snatching Mumbai from u. Why are u guys so insecure ? if u are talented you will get jobs. why does'nt everyone compete on merit ? there is no reservation for anyone in tcs, infy, wipro. whats ur problem in competing ? or u just want it easy just because u were born here ? indians compete hard to get jobs in US. when US accepts people from everywhere whats ur problem in competing with your own countrymen ?
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It's not just about jobs, it's about the separate identity, culture, respect for own language.
It is misconception that people from other states have build mumbai, If this claim is true, then why can't this people go back and develop their own state, this north indian's don't want to do this, because they don't have that capability, they are here for building slums, doing silly business on road, loitering anywhere, stay in group like hens.
They want to spread hindi all across india, but we don't want them, for 60 years for national integration and the thought of united india, maharashtra people has suffered them, but now they have realised that with this united india they have to pay the price of there own language and culture and this is not acceptable.
Final word, pls let us (original maharashtra resident) live in peace on our land and you all other's be where you are and develop your own surrounding.
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Your point is good, but really I support the idea of making mumbai a union territory, so that at least they will leave the rest of Maharashtra alone, otherwise in near future, you will not be able to talk in Marathi in any of the cities in Maharashtra. Its already happening in Pune, where 9 out of 10 ppl can't speak or understand marathi.
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Your point is good, but I really support the idea of making mumbai (Bombay) union territory, so they will at least leave the rest of Maharashtra alone. Otherwise in near future, we will not be able to speak Marathi in any of the cities in Maharashtra, its already happening in Pune, where 9 out of 10 ppl can't speak or understand Marathi. The whole purpose of creating language based states will be total failure in this case.
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I want freedom of maharashtra.
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February 03,2010 at 11:33 PM IST
With offenses to none of the sides, both point of views are correct.
I am a Marathi, and I have just one question for the Marathi's here who are supporting the cause for a Marathi Maharashtra.
Suppose all outsiders learn Marathi and settle down here and become well behaved like we want them to do, what will happen to the complaining Marathi people here?
Jokes apart, This is true for all states, and not only Maharashtra.
Unless you force the recruitment of Govt organizations and private biggies such as TCS, Wipro, Infy, Connizant, L&T, Mahindra and others to enforce local recruitment, things are not settled.
There must be a law that 70% of all reccruitments need to be local, and the HR/recruitment people should be from local state. Only then things can balance them.
India is united and prospering, not because there are companies and people move around freely, but because each state has a unique culture, crop, food habits, religious festivals and local consumption, and people know not to stpe on boundaries of each state and respect them.
These markets will remain strong, and will grow with limited people movement.
Otherwise, India will become like America where all localities are same, all food is similar and all problems are alike....the only thing remains then is big companies giving you standardized products and killing local growth and business specialities. They will start making margins and all of us will get linked to their supply chains. Walmart Methodology!!
Think over this. Its time that some separation of population and local culture/recruitments need to be encouraged. I know a hungry and frustrated person does not have many options to think, and will go to the first place of hope, but all I am saying is that entire Northern and eastern India states need to look after their own state and people seriously rather than letting their good ones go away and toil elsewhere for want of opportunities and get into unnecessary politics
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February 04,2010 at 12:31 AM IST
Similar situation is prevalent in Hyderabad city and Telengana region of AndhraPradesh state in little diffrent Form called "Telengana Movement".
KCR and his Telengana Congress friends cliam that Hyderabad is part of Telengana and asks Andhra people to GoBack.
"Jago Telenga walo, Bago Andhrawalo" -is their slogan for seperate Telengana.
KCR and his TRS party Vandals note to note follow/copy Mumbai's sivasena tactics and took control of Hyderabad's blackmailing and
Landgrabbing mafia .....Actor/Prajarajyam party leader Chiranjeevi Son's, cousins movies are banned in Teleangana region and
Hyderabad city.similarly all Actors who support United AndhraPradesh get same treatment...shootings are vandalised in and around
Hyderabad...Actor Mahesh Babu, Rana, Manoj and directors PuriJaganath and Rajamouli's shootings are vandalised and they are forced
to shout Jai telengana slogans.....there is NO LIBERTY anywhere in this country.....same situation with Andhra businessman-they get
same treatment.....Vandalism of SivaSena style is verymuch prevelant in Hyderabad since last 4-5 Years.
Central Govt. wants to please all kinds of people, so watching this Fun!!!!, now that RahulGandhi has got his Dose...there should be some change hopefully.
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February 04,2010 at 12:59 AM IST
Well penned sir!
However, you might get in trouble for using the word 'Bombay'. Who knows you may see a shiv sena spokesman bashing this article for using the word ''bombay' in some TV channel. LOL
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February 04,2010 at 01:48 AM IST
MAHARSHTRA NEED TO RECLAIM MUMBAI BEFORE ITS TOO LATE........
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February 04,2010 at 01:55 AM IST
Bombay walas please look at kolkutta and see your future if you continue with youe regionalism, ask any one who lived in the fifties about kolkutta and you will be giving your grand children the sane answers 30 years later,
Bhaiyon bhatti main jane do mumbai ko delhi aao aur ise bombay banao.
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February 04,2010 at 02:46 AM IST
WE FULLY SUPPORT RAJ THACKERY, UPs DESTROYED BABRI MASJID IN AYODHYA, FOR THAT WE MARATHIS CAN NEVER FORGIVE THEM..
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February 04,2010 at 06:23 AM IST
Keep on fighiting bloody hindus...when you all die fighting each other we will take over whole India.
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February 04,2010 at 08:55 AM IST
Excellently written blog.
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February 04,2010 at 01:04 PM IST
Dear All We want Bombay Back . The bombay which was the haert beat of every indian known for the fun. We dont want Mumbai which has been barnded only for the marathi manoos. F--- the real bad guys throw them in Arabian Sea and make it againg beautiful and cosy which the same old air of Bombay.
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February 04,2010 at 01:09 PM IST
Shobhan, you have dealt a big blow to the spirit of understanding between locals and outsiders in Mumbai. Many of us wish Times would not publish such vicious ans poor quality stuff again
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February 04,2010 at 02:12 PM IST
WHERE IS MY REPLY TO NEERAJ MR MODERATOR, WHY R U NOT DISPLAYING THAT?
PLEASE DISPLAY AT THE SOONEST I AM SURE ITS NOT OFFENDABLE TO ANYONE..
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February 04,2010 at 04:15 PM IST
1. BOMBAY or mumbai belonged to KOLIS first, lets admit that & then the portuguese or britishers had exchanged it as gift as a dowry for their marraige is a different part.
2. Thackerays themselves don't belong to maharashtra they are migrants & came in search of livelihood in mumbai same as people from UP & bihar.
3. U.P & biharis eventhough run taxis, autos. chakkis, markets of fruits, vegetables, fish, ironing, Laundrys, sweet mart, etc but this Thackeray migrants from M.P are running their families by minting money in the name of marathi ashmita which does not belong to them and by killing some U.P, Biharis they are fooling entire maharashtrians. very pity & they are prey to it
3. Tommorrow this thackerays will become so big, i mean to say their HATE devisive politics will so big that entire mumbai will be on fire worst than 92-93 riots,than their generation will run to switzerland, anyways their black money from Enron, Dow is already there. One cannot not live happily forever on anyone's corpse be it the weakest of all indians like UP & biharis.
4. Go to any major city around the world like singapore, Hong kong, kaula lampur, london, Johanesburg, berlin, beijing, moscow, dubai, new york etc you will find more than 50% of migrants anytime which is also the case of mumbai then why single-out only UP & biharis?WHY?
5. Never saw this bastard from thackeray family called as RAJ fighting for water, electric, corruption, price-hikes atleast Uddhav does it so what for publicity but atleast he has the guts to fight for public cause to justify himself a politician. shouting for divisive politics in the name of religion, caste, state is acrime & RAJ has been termed as TERORIST by court. Only thing is justice for RAJ will happen in Janta-adalat one day it did not spare even the great Mahatma for donating PAKISTAN to muslims & still being charitable by keeping them in hindustan. RAJ could be loyal to uncle, brother what guaranty his loyal ty to marathi, maharashtra
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February 04,2010 at 04:36 PM IST
This Shobhan is another North Indian Bast**d who seems to be hell bent on seperating Mumbai from Maharashtra.
He himself and all the other filthy animals from North India should be chopped to pieces and fed to the dogs.
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February 04,2010 at 04:47 PM IST
This Shobhan is another North Indian Bast**d who seems to be hell bent on seperating Mumbai from Maharashtra.
He himself and all the other filthy animals from North India should be chopped to pieces and fed to the dogs.
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February 04,2010 at 05:08 PM IST
This Shobhan is another North Indian Bast**d who seems to be hell bent on seperating Mumbai from Maharashtra.
He himself and all the other filthy animals from North India should be chopped to pieces and fed to the dogs.
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February 04,2010 at 05:49 PM IST
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February 04,2010 at 05:52 PM IST
D/A,
Progress is the virtue of hard work and persistence.Mumbai is a land of opportunities for every one possessing that virtue, why should there be a reservation for a community for an opportunity.Yes agreed for ages we have observed the caste system, so the less privileged community need's a window to be integrated in mainstream society.We already follow reservation's for SC/ST/OBC, But reservation's based on regional/liguistic/religion category will defeat our preamble itself.
If we look at our country,the west and south are relatively more developed than the rest.By engaging the enemy in the battlefield a soldier defend's his country, he may be from bihar,orrisa or chennai, if martyred he would be wrapped in a triclor,that's what this guy fight's for.He lives and dies for India.
And back home it's a different story altogether, We the people have a proud history and a glorious future ahead.The black chapter's we have had was only because we defeated ourselves, we failed ourselves on the track's of godhra or blast's in mumbai..We the people can only be defeated by ourselves, every political party,karyakarta or fundamentalist forces are just a catalyst who's victory rest's on our defeat.The real power is inside us, nobody can defeat free will, freedom.WeThePeople earn our right not by force or corruption but hardwork,be it the dabbawal's or taxiwala's or cablewalla.The essence of mumbai is diversity, the fabric has been woven, it can only be teared, and when it does, it will bleed.Wethe people have lost many in hate, let not the catalyst win this time, lets not get divided over regionalism.Let's favour merit only, Styamev Jayate.
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February 04,2010 at 08:39 PM IST
Writing as an Indian and as a Maharashtrian who hates all the political games going on in this fiasco:
Most people migrate to make lives better FOR THEMSELVES, through better opportunities in terms of education, career, standard of living and business and not for a social UNINTENTIONAL outcome of migration. So yes, credit for development to a CERTAIN EXTENT definitely goes to migrants but for heaven’s sake stop claiming that your migration was solely to build and develop that ‘prosperous place’.
We are tired of our culture and our people being walked over by migrants who refuse to respect the culture of the land that has given them a better living. This article and the comments are a perfect example of how we are being pushed into a corner.
Most of you were thrilled to know that Hindi isn’t the national language and that there are fourteen official languages in India, including Marathi. We don’t have a problem with English because we need to learn it in order to progress in life and overcome our backwardness that many of you seem to think we have.
People wanting to move themselves & businesses out of Mumbai; please feel free to do so. It is way too overcrowded. Everyone comes to Mumbai of their own free will as given by the Indian Constitution, which does not give anyone the freedom/right to disrespect local culture and sentiments.
It is time all Indians think and act towards developing all of India and not just this so called ‘arrogant’ city of Mumbai.
All Indians are more than welcome to migrate to Mumbai and Maharashtra, but DEFINITELY NOT IF YOU: Threaten local people and culture-Come and build slums-Encroach illegally on any of the land or resources such as water and electricity-Come here to break laws or to dirty the place in any way
Due to this one-sided reporting, TOI should change its name to Times of Congress / UP & Bihar / Anti-Marathi
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February 04,2010 at 08:42 PM IST
Writing as an Indian and as a Maharashtrian who hates the all the political games in this ongoing fiasco:
Most people migrate to make lives better FOR THEMSELVES, through better opportunities in terms of education, career, standard of living and business and not for a social UNINTENTIONAL outcome of migration. So yes, credit for development to a CERTAIN EXTENT definitely goes to migrants but for heaven’s sake stop claiming that your migration was solely to build and develop that ‘prosperous place’.
We are tired of our culture and our people being walked over by migrants who refuse to respect the culture of the land that has given them a better living. This article and the comments are a perfect example of how we are being pushed into a corner.
Most of you were thrilled to know that Hindi isn’t the national language and that there are fourteen official languages in India, including Marathi. We don’t have a problem with English because we need to learn it in order to progress in life and overcome our backwardness that many of you seem to think we have.
People wanting to move themselves & businesses out of Mumbai; please feel free to do so. It is way too overcrowded. Everyone comes to Mumbai of their own free will as given by the Indian Constitution, which does not give anyone the freedom/right to disrespect local culture and sentiments.
It is time all Indians think and act towards developing all of India and not just this so called ‘arrogant’ city of Mumbai.
All Indians are more than welcome to migrate to Mumbai and Maharashtra, but DEFINITELY NOT IF YOU: Threaten local people and culture-Come and build slums-Encroach illegally on any of the land or resources such as water and electricity-Come here to break laws or to dirty the place in any way
Due to this one-sided reporting, TOI should change its name to Times of Congress / UP & Bihar / Anti-Marathi
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February 04,2010 at 09:01 PM IST
"GET WELL SOON" to Thakray brothers & Uncle. May GOD fix there Brain before its too late.
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PLEASE WISH SAME FOR THE BLOODY KIDNAPPERS,DONS(WHO SPECIALLY IMPORTED FROM UP AND BIHAR BY THE SOCIAL LEADER LIKE ABU AZAMI)
USAKI TO PHATANE WALI HAI
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February 04,2010 at 09:17 PM IST
The original name of the city was MUMBAI, the city, then a collection of small hamlets, was named after the Goddess MUMBA, whose temple still exists in Mumbai. This is a fact. Check out any encyclopedia..even wikipedia says that the name Mumbai predates the name Bombay.Get your facts right Mr. Saxena. And if Tamils can claim first right on Chennai, Benagalis on Kolkata and so on, I see no reason why Marathi people shouldn't demand a respect for their culture in their own capital.
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February 05,2010 at 03:00 AM IST
I am not a fan of SS / MNS and do not agree with their actions of violence. Local culture of honesty and discipline is distorted by constant influx of uncontrolled migrants. Today you can ban SS/MNS tomorrow many more such organization will erupt in Maharashtra. These organizations will get support as they are only reflecting feelings of common people.
Amazing to find that my fellow well educated countrymen are bashing people of Mumbai who welcomed migrants from all states. We should find solution to the problems in UP and Bihar which are forcing people to flee. Is this right justice towards Maharashtra?
Nobody is finding faults in these states as to why there are such a huge numbers of migrants from these states. We should have President rule in UP / Bihar for next 20 years or more.
All Indians are equally patriotic, when I was a child I felt very proud of cultural diversity and greatness of India. Had friends from north and south, nobody uttered that Mumbai did not belong to Maharashtra. Now people are openly talking about making Mumbai a union territory.
In name of unity of country people are ignoring the facts. Migration is every where across the globe. People migrating for better opportunity are acceptable to all, but forced migration of people across the regions to crease their vote bank is questionable.
Even brids and animals migrate, but they return to their origins. People migrating to Mumbai know only one way, Even after filling their pocket they are not satisfied. They want to grab more than they can hold. Example look at flim stars, they have enough money to start Job opportunities in their states. Teach lessons learned from Mumbai of honesty and discipline and respect to women. Instead we are seeing negative trend, of imposing outside culture in Mumbai.
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February 05,2010 at 09:44 AM IST
No one can save Mumbai except the Mumbaikers with their resilience, tenacity and their work ethic. Shiv Sena and all other guardians of 'culture' are underestimating the Mumbaikers and worse still taking their response for granted. The backlash will come sooner than later in many forms...the first being exit of businesses like what happened in Calcutta years ago (which was once the business capital of India).It has started with Amitabh Bachan becoming the Brand Ambassador for Gujarat!An actor who made his fame and fortune from Bollywood. The truth is Mumbai does not belong to Marathis, other Indians...it is part of the Global village. I earnestly pray that Mumbai continues to be the fulcrum of a confluence of cultures each adding a vital ingredient to its vibrant ethos. In the words of the great Nobel Laurete Rabindranth Tagore - "Where the mind is without fear, And the head is held high, Where knowledge is free, Where world has not been broken up by narrow domestic wall".
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February 05,2010 at 09:54 AM IST
I am not a fan of SS / MNS and do not agree with their actions of violence. Local culture of honesty and discipline is distorted by constant influx of uncontrolled migrants. Today you can ban SS/MNS tomorrow many more such organization will erupt in Maharashtra. These organizations will get support as they are only reflecting feelings of common people.
Amazing to find that my fellow well educated countrymen are bashing people of Mumbai who welcomed migrants from all states. We should find solution to the problems in UP and Bihar which are forcing people to flee. Is this right justice towards Maharashtra?
Nobody is finding faults in these states as to why there are such a huge numbers of migrants from these states. We should have President rule in UP / Bihar for next 20 years or more.
All Indians are equally patriotic, when I was a child I felt very proud of cultural diversity and greatness of India. Had friends from north and south, nobody uttered that Mumbai did not belong to Maharashtra. Now people are openly talking about making Mumbai a union territory.
In name of unity of country people are ignoring the facts. Migration is every where across the globe. People migrating for better opportunity are acceptable to all, but forced migration of people across the regions to crease their vote bank is questionable.
Even brids and animals migrate, but they return to their origins. People migrating to Mumbai know only one way, Even after filling their pocket they are not satisfied. They want to grab more than they can hold. Example look at flim stars, they have enough money to start Job opportunities in their states. Teach lessons learned from Mumbai of honesty and discipline and respect to women. Instead we are seeing negative trend, of imposing outside culture in Mumbai.
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February 05,2010 at 11:34 AM IST
I support Maharastrians for the motto for which they have been fighting for, may be the way they do it is not fair.But if they dont do it now then i am sure one day some one will say "Once Marathi was the language spoken by people in maharastra"...losing ur language is some thing like loosing your identity...once ur identity is lost nobody will care for you.....best ex is people from **, *****,they lost their identity and even if tehy shout now nobody ill care for them....so go ahead maharastra.. this is teh right time
and to those who has been mentioning south indians they kick asses of people you try to teach us hindi...we do it bec we are comfortable with what we have and we dont have prob of learnign it, if we do so ten u ill say HINDI must be national language etc etc,if u say hindi we ask in what way our regional language weighs less???
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February 05,2010 at 11:36 AM IST
I support Maharastrians for the motto for which they have been fighting for, may be the way they do it is not fair.But if they dont do it now then i am sure one day some one will say "Once Marathi was the language spoken by people in maharastra"...losing ur language is some thing like loosing your identity...once ur identity is lost nobody will care for you.....best ex is people from **, *****,they lost their identity and even if tehy shout now nobody ill care for them....so go ahead maharastra.. this is teh right time
and to those who has been mentioning south indians they kick asses of people you try to teach us hindi...we do it bec we are comfortable with what we have and we dont have prob of learnign it, if we do so ten u ill say HINDI must be national language etc etc,if u say hindi we ask in what way our regional language weighs less???
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February 05,2010 at 11:53 AM IST
Guys do u really think that Mumbai can survive with a uniculture environment. And if yes thewhy only biharis and UP ites why not gujratis and marwadis and punjabis and south indians who have made mumbai what it is today.
please stop fighting and start sharing because in this mess no one is spotting that china has come so close to us that we will not be able to defend if war outbreaks and then there will be no mumbai to get jobs.
and no ss/mns will come to ur rescue they will fly to other countries where people will not be marathis or biharis.......please think on this.
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February 05,2010 at 02:52 PM IST
Ms Saxena
It is we who belong to City ! Mumbai !! Proud to be Mumbaikar ! Love Marthi Manoos ! Love Maharashtra ! LOVE THE WAY Maharashtrians accept people from other states ! May be in Mumbai as well as in Pune, Nasik and many other cities in Maharashtra. Don't listen to politicians !
Become Maharashtrian ! Become Mumbaikar, PUNEKAR not Bombayite !
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February 05,2010 at 03:15 PM IST
All North indian's have spoiling mumbai
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February 05,2010 at 05:42 PM IST
Hum do hamare do, baaki sab maharashtra mein aao
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February 05,2010 at 06:01 PM IST
We can't carry on with overcrowding of mumbai hence forth, since it is burden on resources like water, electricity, pollution, crime etc.
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February 06,2010 at 09:57 AM IST
we are Indians. put an end to thugs and goons like mns and shiv sena. shahrukh and rahul have shown the way
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February 06,2010 at 03:04 PM IST
I have seen from Last 20 years, every one came here and said that 'Mumbai Sabki Hai'. No one wants to think and talk about other undeveloped cities of the country because of their non performing ministers. Mumbai is facing problem of population due to development and its basic infrastucture is totally collapsed. No one enjoying to travel in local trains and buses. There are heavy traffic jams on the road. There is shortfall of water and electricity borne by the illegal hutments and illegal migrants.Every one is fighting but no one wants to talk about basic problem of the city. Mumbai's Tax Payer's (Marathi, Gujrati, Punjabi, UP-Biharis, Sindhi, Jain, Muslim,Bangali, Parsis, Christians, south Indians and etc) are not enjoying the benefits at all. All Footpaths are blocked by illegal hawkers and Grounds are encroached by illegal hutments. Government is enjoying our fighting because thay also wants the same thing to hide their wrong things. If you really think about Mumbai Please don't go with politics and think about the development of the undeveloped cities of the country. We should apply our effort to development of the India and their undevloped states. We should apply our effort to fight against non performing ministers of india because they are also responsible for the fate of their people.
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February 06,2010 at 04:28 PM IST
Save Mumbai.......
I have seen from Last 20 years, every one came here and said that 'Mumbai Sabki Hai'. No one wants to talk about other undeveloped cities of the country and their non performing CM. Mumbai is facing problem of population due to development and now its basic infrastructure is totally collapsed. No one is enjoying to traveling in local trains and buses because of over crowded. There are heavy traffic jams on the road. There is shortfall of water and electricity borne by the illegal hutments and illegal migrants. Every one is fighting but no one wants to talk about basic problem of the city. Mumbai's genuine Tax Payer’s (Marathi, Gujrati, Punjabi, UP-Biharis, Sindhi, Jain, Muslim, Bangali, Parsis, Christians, South Indians and etc) who are living from more than 60 years are not enjoying the benefits at all. All Footpaths are blocked by illegal hawkers and grounds are encroached by illegal hutments. Government is enjoying our fighting because they also want the same thing to hide their wrong things. If we really want the survival of the Mumbai city then other cities of the country should also developed simultaneously. You should raise the issues against non-performing chief ministers of the respective states and for development of the states.
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February 06,2010 at 08:21 PM IST
RAHUL GANDHI WENT TO BOMBAY AND RODE A LOCAL TRAIN. GREAT WORK, RAHUL. INDIA HAS BEGUN THE PROCESS OF RECLAIMING BOMBAY FROM MUMBAI FANATICS.
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DUDE,THIS WAS CALL BY SS NOT BY MNS.
LET RAJ CALL THE BAND AND THEN ASK RAHUL TO COME TO MUMBAI.
THIS IS NEW ERA LEAD BY RAJ THAKRE.
WE ARE WITH MSN
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February 06,2010 at 09:25 PM IST
Mr. Saxena, before writing a comment , you must respect the local sentiments: the name of the city is Mumbai and not Bombay as you are mentioning. The city has this name because of presence of goddess 'Mumbadevi' which was there since thousands of years. Mumbai has its own limits as number of people it can support and we have to respect that.
If daily thousands of people from UP/Bihar flock to Mumbai, how is the city's infrastructure going to cope with it? You have to understand that Mumbai being capital city of Maharashtra, Marathi people deserve a right to live in Mumbai first, although it is non questionably part of India.
The problem is that educated north indians like you do not understand this fact and parties like SS/MNS are not explaining their stand through educated way. Added to this is vote politics of Congress/NCP , who are just following wait and watch principles. The people from other states who are already in Mumbai since 10-15 years will tell you how accomodating marathi culture of the city is and what they feel about it.
So, Mr. Saxena get your facts right and please think from all the aspects before writing an article.
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February 08,2010 at 01:41 PM IST
Yes! the federal goverment should have the guts to declare war on Bombay and the Marahatis.Upon winning this war they shold insist on their prisoner Bal Thackeray having a suppository to purge him of his crap.
KIll the marahatis. Jai Hind
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Do you really dare to do this, on the very first attempt you will see the power of marhathas.
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February 08,2010 at 05:10 PM IST
I want all non-marathi out of mumbai, they have ruined it by staying in slums, encroaching roads, railway tracks, attack on local community (Language & culture), ruined peace of city, increased crime due to non-maharashtrians, over crowded trains, buses. burden on resources like water, electricity and land. doing unwanted businesses.
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February 08,2010 at 05:25 PM IST
Then how do you expect to that you come/stay in our house. it is the kindness of marathi people, that they have accepted poor people like you for last 60 years, for marathi people kindness marathi people have to suffer now. but now they have realised this and like mughals, protugese and britisher(parkiya) you are also parprantiya. Some day you non-maharashtrian have to go back where you came from.
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February 08,2010 at 05:32 PM IST
Do you know where the bhangis come from, who dig's the road's, who manages the sulabh sauchalayas, who cleans the railway tracks, who work as construction workers. They are all non-marathi.
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February 08,2010 at 07:24 PM IST
Do you know where the bhangis come from, who dig's the road's, who manages the sulabh sauchalayas, who cleans the railway tracks, who work as construction workers. They are all non-marathi.
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February 08,2010 at 07:38 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 08,2010 at 07:56 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 08,2010 at 08:01 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 08,2010 at 08:02 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 08,2010 at 08:32 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 08,2010 at 10:36 PM IST
Some times you north indian say that you developed mumbai, some time you there are no jobs in your native place so you are in maharashtra to earn living, since 60 yoears maharashtra has shown humanity towards you all and now you have started pissing on marathi people, when marathi people say now it is enough, our cities are over crowded and we cannot get sufficient water to drink, electricity shortages not so many job opportunities to existing peoples, no proper foot paths to move around (because of street hawkers mainly from north india), open lands occupied by slum dwellers, increase in crime similar to up and bihar, over crowded trains and buses, beggars on each traffic signal, dis respect to local language and culture (people coming from north india don't even care to learn local language), now this north indian's want reservation in each aspect of mumbai, no play ground's or garden because over crowded cities, bhel puri vendors on beaches are destroying the sea.
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February 08,2010 at 10:48 PM IST
Some times you north indian say that you developed mumbai, some time you there are no jobs in your native place so you are in maharashtra to earn living, since 60 yoears maharashtra has shown humanity towards you all and now you have started pissing on marathi people, when marathi people say now it is enough, our cities are over crowded and we cannot get sufficient water to drink, electricity shortages not so many job opportunities to existing peoples, no proper foot paths to move around (because of street hawkers mainly from north india), open lands occupied by slum dwellers, increase in crime similar to up and bihar, over crowded trains and buses, beggars on each traffic signal, dis respect to local language and culture (people coming from north india don't even care to learn local language), now this north indian's want reservation in each aspect of mumbai, no play ground's or garden because over crowded cities, bhel puri vendors on beaches are destroying the sea.
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February 08,2010 at 11:15 PM IST
Some times you north indian say that you developed mumbai, some time you there are no jobs in your native place so you are in maharashtra to earn living, since 60 yoears maharashtra has shown humanity towards you all and now you have started pissing on marathi people, when marathi people say now it is enough, our cities are over crowded and we cannot get sufficient water to drink, electricity shortages not so many job opportunities to existing peoples, no proper foot paths to move around (because of street hawkers mainly from north india), open lands occupied by slum dwellers, increase in crime similar to up and bihar, over crowded trains and buses, beggars on each traffic signal, dis respect to local language and culture (people coming from north india don't even care to learn local language), now this north indian's want reservation in each aspect of mumbai, no play ground's or garden because over crowded cities, bhel puri vendors on beaches are destroying the sea.
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February 09,2010 at 12:10 AM IST
Some times you north indian say that you developed mumbai, some time you there are no jobs in your native place so you are in maharashtra to earn living, since 60 yoears maharashtra has shown humanity towards you all and now you have started pissing on marathi people, when marathi people say now it is enough, our cities are over crowded and we cannot get sufficient water to drink, electricity shortages not so many job opportunities to existing peoples, no proper foot paths to move around (because of street hawkers mainly from north india), open lands occupied by slum dwellers, increase in crime similar to up and bihar, over crowded trains and buses, beggars on each traffic signal, dis respect to local language and culture (people coming from north india don't even care to learn local language), now this north indian's want reservation in each aspect of mumbai, no play ground's or garden because over crowded cities, bhel puri vendors on beaches are destroying the sea.
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February 09,2010 at 12:11 AM IST
Marathi people must fight for mumbai, before it is too late.
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February 09,2010 at 12:48 PM IST
Shobhan count your days, you will be reclaimed by GOD soon..
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February 09,2010 at 01:59 PM IST
To take the Shobhan's argument further, i will suggest to open up borders so that bangladeshis pakistanis and Nepalis come here and develop our country. After all this world belongs to human kind and why divide them with borders and takers for this idea. Mr. Shobhan please put you worthy comments here.
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Yes u r right. And also we should release Kasab as we are human beings and he has on oath stated that he was not part of terrrorist group after one year after we spent crores ..... and shobhan should offer his daughter to KAsab if he has or else his wife will also do..
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February 09,2010 at 03:47 PM IST
This article, and the one by Arindam Chaudhury, which says that 'Bombay' should be made a Union Territory, is a wake up call for all the maharashtrians to declare a RACE WAR on these filthy animals called paraprantiyas. These Motherf***ing bast***s are so hell bent on
seperating our MUMBAI from us. And today, its happening with Mumbai. Tomorrow, it will
be Pune's turn, and then Nagpur, and eventually they will conquer all our cities and eliminate
our existence. Please wake up Maharashtrians,wake up!! Start spreading anti-paraprantiya violence all over our state, and start killing every paraprantiya u see on the road. Its actually
time to reclaim not just our Mumbai, but our entire state from this disease called paraprantiyas, before its too late.
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Read this by Arindam
http://anaggh.posterous.com/an-open-letter-to-mr-shahrukh-khan-please-rea
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February 09,2010 at 03:52 PM IST
This article, and the one by Arindam Chaudhury, which says that 'Bombay' should be made a Union Territory, is a wake up call for all the maharashtrians to declare a RACE WAR on these filthy animals called paraprantiyas. These Motherf***ing bast***s are so hell bent on
seperating our MUMBAI from us. And today, its happening with Mumbai. Tomorrow, it will
be Pune's turn, and then Nagpur, and eventually they will conquer all our cities and eliminate
our existence. Please wake up Maharashtrians,wake up!! Start spreading anti-paraprantiya violence all over our state, and start killing every paraprantiya u see on the road. Its actually
time to reclaim not just our Mumbai, but our entire state from this disease called paraprantiyas, before its too late.
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February 10,2010 at 12:02 PM IST
why are we making fuzz over the battle of the politicians??????? well i dont totally agree with mns or siv sena but neither can i agree with you. In maharashtra as in mumbai has high unemployment why ??? what is the reason??? even the local people here as u may call them (us) marathi people (this will include all the people in mumbai as for today as every indian here wud b considered marathi if he is a resident of india as this is our india our maharashtra )and we should behave as unity. So should we speak or at least try to speak the language of the locals so that even the locals feel friendly. BUT do we do this nooooooooo we fight we say no marathi or otherwise some of marathi locals would be forced to SAY ONLY MARATHI TO BE USED. why the locals are afraid the are losing their own language (this an insecurity feeling DONT we as unity try to help) and ONE more thing the locals here dont get jobs because of the population crisis SO what is the solution here THE LOCAL POLITICIAN who needs the guide his people should do ? I think give them (locals) first priority and why shouldn't he that is logical. He can just let go locals unemployed and so shall the locals remain poor and die. many farmers in maharashtra are dying because of loans and poverty WHY shouldnt they be offered jobs in MUMBAI first by THE local LEADER. WHY should WE INDIANS not think about each other .WHY not try amking our locals cities like mumbai rather than all crowding in mumbai. AND mind it mumbai is one of the most crowed cities in the world. Unemployment has given rise to beggars, slums and theifs so is the underworld. the mumbai local meant to carry 1200 people is carrying more than 4000 people at single time. TO ALL THOSE COMMENTATORS JUST TRY TO TRAVEL THE LOCAL AT PEAK HOURS and then comment. THE only thing u will say DARN population. SO to my all brother INDIANS you think mumbai is yours yes it is BUT do you CARE for it ARE you helping the local people ? are you trying to employ them ?
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February 10,2010 at 12:10 PM IST
to all my INDIAN brother if u say mumbai is yours good i agree it is yours BUT u should even care of mumbai as yours and care for the pepole in it the local people in it as yours. the locals here speak marathi well they say the language you are born with is the language you can excel in the most so let it remain MUMBAI and not BOMBAY (BRITISH NAME) if you care of local people so shall you care of mumbai as your OWN
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February 10,2010 at 10:40 PM IST
We are not scared of you outsiders, you are spoiling our city, it is like you are staying in our home, so it is the time that guest has to leave to make some space for the host of the house. We know that we can do our own progress and we don't need any outsiders.
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February 10,2010 at 11:08 PM IST
Who will answer the innocent people and police men who have lost their life in this brutal attack by pakistanis. Mumbai cannot forgive them so easily. Shahrukh should think of the family member's of innocent people died in attack. Today USA is safe from any terrorist attack only because of strict security measures adopted by them. shahrukh even dislike this security of US.
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February 10,2010 at 11:20 PM IST
Who will answer the innocent people and police men who have lost their life in this brutal attack by pakistanis. Mumbai cannot forgive them so easily. Shahrukh should think of the family member's of innocent people died in attack. Today USA is safe from any terrorist attack only because of strict security measures adopted by them. shahrukh even dislike this security of US.
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February 10,2010 at 11:30 PM IST
Who will answer the innocent people and police men who have lost their life in this brutal attack by pakistanis. Mumbai cannot forgive them so easily. Shahrukh should think of the family member's of innocent people died in attack. Today USA is safe from any terrorist attack only because of strict security measures adopted by them. shahrukh even dislike this security of US.
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February 13,2010 at 11:51 AM IST
Dear Shobhan
Please comment on the recent statement of Pakistan Prime minister regarding Kasmir is same as PaLestine. Ask Shahrukh and that lungiwala chidu Home minister also. I as sure you all assholes will have the same vues..!!..
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February 13,2010 at 01:16 PM IST
My dear sexena, first get your facts right before naming any city,the name mumbai is of earlier history than Bombay and the portugese and brits have already left our country, so why use their names. secondly think practically before legally. today mumbai has no space to breathe, thousands of accident occur every year during leaning outside the trains. today you say everybody has an equal right to come and reside here.fair enough, but tomorrow u will talk about traffic jams and then clenliness and then about the water supply system.you might not know the main reason for water logging. my dear its the slums and if want to own one please meet kripashankar singh.and then comes your taxi-wallahs, of which several do not have valid taxi licences and many of them show dadagiri if u wanna short trip. Every bhaiya taxi-wallah has direct contact with any of the congress politician. how will you feel if you are fired tomorrow only because another bhaiya is ready to work for less than what u earn. the right word would be agitated. so think before you speak publicly.
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February 13,2010 at 04:52 PM IST
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February 13,2010 at 06:49 PM IST
Changing Bombay into Mumbai is just like changing Thakre into Thackeray. Same difference.
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February 15,2010 at 09:59 PM IST
As per congress, shahrukh and shahrukh khan's supporter's All border's should be open, there should not be any security checks, any body can move around, stay anywhere he want's, kill any one he want and drew out local people from his house by creation disturbances. especially pakistani and afghan (Talibani) should also be allowed to come to india, since they are also humans and previously it was part of india. Even pakistani's should be allowed to come in mumbai and earn their living.
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February 18,2010 at 11:02 AM IST
Mr. Shobhan
Now it is high time to RECLAIM Bihar....I am sure you are aware of the hapennings in Bihar.
I am sure you will agree that the developments of other states is more important than writing about bullshit like you of reclaiming mumbai. Dont call it Bombay again you SWINE.
Think twice before your speak
Think Thrice before your write.
for you it is Dont write. Its better, go to bihar and try to solve the problems there.
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February 19,2010 at 04:19 PM IST
The issue is not whether we have migrants. All of us have them in our states, districts, countries. The issue is that when we have so many of them and they start to get the cream, take over the business, the fruits, and and treat the residents like a piece of shit and "locals", by design or default start to take away their jobs and opportunities and then start colluding with the biggies and hobnobbing with the state and authorities things in their favour, then it hurts. and it can hurt bad and big. One tolerates this up till a point but not beyond a point. It start feeling unfair and not right. This is what it was not meant to be or supposed to be!
Just to jog your memory, Britishers came here as migrants as people who were searching jobs and business, we welcomed them initially but look what happened in the long run. We had to fight them tooth and nail and sacrifice millions of lives in the process and throw them out!
So all the talk and history of freedom struggle is a waste and useless. We could have lived under them and progressed ( some still believe that would have been a good idea!). Sure go ahead, we anyway are under cultural imperialism even today when we have sole our souls and minds and thoughts to the other world and cherish the though of being like them one day!
I think West Bengal, Jharkhand, TN and others have not suffered from the situation where the migrants have grown either in number, size or stature to start hurting. Let us wait and watch. Being politically correct or being so called secular or liberal does not help when it hurts either politically, culturally or for survival.
Let us not "miss the point" and make either rather naive comparisons or politically correct one just for the sake of it.
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February 19,2010 at 06:58 PM IST
The issue is not whether we have migrants. All of us have them in our states, districts, countries. The issue is that when we have so many of them and they start to get the cream, take over the business, the fruits, and and treat the residents like a piece of shit and "locals", by design or default start to take away their jobs and opportunities and then start colluding with the biggies and hobnobbing with the state and authorities things in their favour, then it hurts. and it can hurt bad and big. One tolerates this up till a point but not beyond a point. It start feeling unfair and not right. This is what it was not meant to be or supposed to be!
Just to jog your memory, Britishers came here as migrants as people who were searching jobs and business, we welcomed them initially but look what happened in the long run. We had to fight them tooth and nail and sacrifice millions of lives in the process and throw them out!
So all the talk and history of freedom struggle is a waste and useless. We could have lived under them and progressed ( some still believe that would have been a good idea!). Sure go ahead, we anyway are under cultural imperialism even today when we have sole our souls and minds and thoughts to the other world and cherish the though of being like them one day!
I think West Bengal, Jharkhand, TN and others have not suffered from the situation where the migrants have grown either in number, size or stature to start hurting. Let us wait and watch. Being politically correct or being so called secular or liberal does not help when it hurts either politically, culturally or for survival.
Let us not "miss the point" and make either rather naive comparisons or politically correct one just for the sake of it.
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February 19,2010 at 08:15 PM IST
You M***er F###er ,silly useless rotten mind sex-se-na.
BHAIYA go BACK ur 2 NORTHIS land.
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February 22,2010 at 04:33 PM IST
It is time to declare a race war on these North Indian bastards who are so much hell bent on stealing our city from us. Just start killing these bastards when you see them in Mumbai or anywhere else in Maharashtra. Just kill them, kill them all.
Jai Maharashtra.
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February 25,2010 at 01:06 AM IST
Hi my fellow Indians... lets not hate. you like beer, butter chicken, paani poori and dosa, right? come on, there is good and bad in every part of India. As educated people, lets work towards giving each other a hand instead of kicking dirt in each other's face or dis-respecting other's rights. You are all my brothers and sisters. You are free to hate what I say, but I implore you to not hate each other. It is not worth it. We need to be strong for our country, the world, our families and ourselves. Jai Hind.
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February 25,2010 at 01:09 AM IST
Hi my fellow Indians... lets not hate. you like beer, butter chicken, paani poori and dosa, right? come on, there is good and bad in every part of India. As educated people, lets work towards giving each other a hand instead of kicking dirt in each other's face or dis-respecting other's rights. You are all my brothers and sisters. You are free to hate what I say, but I implore you to not hate each other. It is not worth it. We need to be strong for our country, the world, our families and ourselves. Jai Hind.
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March 04,2010 at 08:00 PM IST
All the people who think Mumbai is developed by the north indians and there is no role of Maharashtrians to develop it then tell why they could not develop their cities better than mumbai.
Why all the people wanted to develop only Maharashtra cities.
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April 16,2010 at 06:16 PM IST
If saxsena writes something like this in dubai against dubai locals, he will be surely cut into the pices and fed to their dogs. saxsena dont ever come in front of me in your life otherwise your caste will cry for you, Jay Maharashtra
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May 04,2010 at 06:07 PM IST
This writer is good for nothing. He doesn't know what he has written. I strongly oppose his thoughts.
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