Readers of my posts would have realised by now that nothing raises my hackles more than how we languish vis a vis China. Although I cannot grudge the Chinese their progress, which is enviable, I cannot fathom our politicians' servility on issues concerning the dragon and how it has increasingly made us look like idiots in comparison.
But this post is not on China vs India, but on Google, the company that is having a row with the Chinese over censorship and allegations that the dragon nation used gmail to hack into important networks outside China. And no, I am not defending Google in its fight against the Chinese censorship. As long as it is not my nation, I am not bothered by how another nation handles its censorship issues. If, for its security, it needs to take harsh measures that appear draconian, so be it. At least they would not regret later.
Let me bring my focus back on Google. China, with the largest internet users' base, is an important market for any Internet company. Google is no exception. And in its business interests, the company does all that is necessary to be good to the country it operates in. Hence, Google, bluntly put, makes a fool of both Indians and Chinese. Take a look at the map of Arunachal Pradesh on Google maps. For the uninitiated, Arunachal is a disputed territory between the two nations, with both laying claim to its territory, notwithstanding India's greater claim to it given the fact that it has a democratically elected government in place for years now.
If you open the Google maps' China edition available at http://ditu.google.com, Arunachal would show itself as an undisputed part of China, the whole of it.

However, what throws up when one opens Google India on http://maps.google.co.in, is politically correct and our fellow citizens from Arunachal Pradesh can, thankfully, still call themselves Indians.

The fun begins when it comes to opening the map available on the international edition at http://maps.google.com. Arunachal is shown as a disputed territory.

I think we have a right to demand that Google, since it operates from India and has considerable business interests here, make changes and not try to pretend to keep everyone happy when in reality is making a fool of everyone.
We should ask the US based company to ensure that Arunachal Pradesh which has a democratically elected government is shown as an undisputed part of India irrespective of where their map is opened. Anything less than that should be unacceptable.
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Sort by: Oldest | Newest | Recommended (145) | Most Discussed | Author's Responses (1)Bhagwad Jal Park says:
January 15,2010 at 04:38 PM IST
While you and I as Indians have our own view as to the status of Arunachal Pradesh since we're closer to it, why should Google take the side of one country over another - all things being equal?
Why should Google show Arunachal Pradesh as part of India in its Chinese website when it doesn't know the truth of the matter? You or I knowing the truth makes no difference.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Karan says:
January 18,2010 at 11:38 AM IST
The Google maps in China are prepared and controlled by the Chinese and in India by the Indians. Both of them will have their point of view. A company is not supposed to know the truth. Mr. Kalra should know that any multi-national company like Google will not take any sides because Google can not prove or disapprove any thing about such disputed issues. Mine or your perception does not matter.
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(Reply to Karan)- balram says:
January 19,2010 at 12:27 PM IST
When google gives its map to the people world over it not only ogives them information but creates information.Ask urselves ,by giving differnt maps isn,t google mileading others.while trying to be everyones friend ,it is hurting the sentiments of a billion plus Indians and if we as Indians accept their business strategy ,we dont protect our sovereignty .Rajesh Kalra is right in his appeal.We should stand for our nation.
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(Reply to Karan)- KK says:
January 20,2010 at 04:33 AM IST
Well...I disapprove of the fact that "how company should know the truth". Being a senior software engineer with the top most S/w company of India, I know the fact that how much we care about IP violations. This is also a kind of violation, infringement that google is doing. Nobody can just come and put some information on Google's website, may it be Chinese or Japanese or Indian. Google "as a reputed company" has the responsibility to verify the information before making it available to the world. It should not get biased by politics, religion or nation..it should stick to the truth....if Not then Internet will no longer remain the source of information and education but source of biased illusions.
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(Reply to KK)- Arun Gribta says:
January 23,2010 at 10:54 PM IST
It is not google's business to resolve territory issues. When the whole of India and China are disputing over it, how can you expect Google to put acceptable map. If I am given a chance as an outsider, I will go the google way.
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(Reply to Karan)- Shweta Misra says:
January 20,2010 at 03:36 PM IST
Mine and your views matter ....it matters because we are the citizens of the country concerned.
Me living in Arunachal...and its definitely an integeral part of India. China's claims are highly offending.
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(Reply to Karan)- adsf says:
January 21,2010 at 12:32 AM IST
No, territory of country is a fact and not opinion of their employees. If it was so, Google India would have showed entire of pakistan as a part of India
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(Reply to Karan)- SANJEEV DAS says:
February 25,2010 at 04:58 PM IST
I saw someone reply asking whether you have common sense. now its a known fact that common sense is a most rare and uncommon thing which neither seem to be exercising. Patriotism etc. asideGoogle has a simple way out and not take any sides, just mark that territory is a separate color or shading and give the legend "Disputed" (if space permits add the words bw China
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Rajiv says:
January 15,2010 at 07:45 PM IST
I agree with you. It's not about patriotism. It's about common sense. Why should Google take India or China's side?
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Deepesh says:
January 15,2010 at 07:09 PM IST
r u really an Indian.....?
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Shyam says:
January 15,2010 at 08:06 PM IST
By your argument, how exactly is any other state, say Manipur, considered by Google to be part of India? Do they "know" that it is; if yes, how?
The columnist is absolutely correct. Google will have to show the reality - Arunachal Pradesh is part of India - we have been having democratically elected governments there. Tomorrow, if China claims Sikkim, will Google follow the same policy? (since they do not "know the truth"?)
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(Reply to Shyam)- karthick says:
January 20,2010 at 11:03 AM IST
Ur absolutely right, we should stand 4 our nation.
Jai hind
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- shahid says:
January 16,2010 at 04:18 PM IST
Are you going to be cool if tomarrow they show Delhi or some north indian area to be a part of china or disputed?
This should not be accepted . Writer has raised a very good point.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Rajesh Bachani says:
January 16,2010 at 09:38 PM IST
Going by your perspective, that Google should not take the side of any country, the best policy would have been to show Arunachal as disputed, seen from anywhere. What does not sound good is for the Indian edition of the map, Arunachal is part of India and for the Chinese edition, it is their's. This is totally sychophantic, which I find very negative.
Similar is the situation with PoK in many maps. It is shown as disputed, which is OK.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- swati says:
January 18,2010 at 02:06 PM IST
The wrriter has indeed raised a correct point. When operating from India, it has to show Arunachal Pradesh as paart of India(and more so since we have a democratically elected government over there) Everyone should raise their voice against this appeasement of Google.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Vitthal says:
January 18,2010 at 02:58 PM IST
UN or any other international body doesn't find Arunachal Pradesh as a disputed territory. AP has it's own government and China had no issues when Indian Constitution came into effect in 1950's with Arunachal Pradesh as one of the Union of States of India.
Then why after so many years, when China finds itself stronger than India, claims Arunachal Pradesh (or Twang province) as it's territory?
Also, Google is an independent Company and not abide to Chinese political/foreign policies. If they think the way Chinese think, shame on them.
BTW, I have heard that in low voice, China calls Australia as "New China". If so, I ask Google to mark the whole Australia as a disputed territory and on Chinese version, as part of China.
R u listening Google Inc. ????????????????
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- peter pan says:
January 19,2010 at 02:17 PM IST
This is it.. all Indians here.. please stop using google.. I for sure am going to stop using google..
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Sagar says:
January 19,2010 at 10:45 AM IST
Just because China tells Arunachal Pradesh as their land it does not become their or disputed. It should be responsiblity of individual companies posting such information on the internet to verify the facts prior to posting. Also Google cannot have docuble / triple standards for a particular info. Google needs to correct the information as per what is legally correct.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- AS says:
January 20,2010 at 12:26 AM IST
Facts are facts and the rest is fantasy. The maps should show the current country which has political control over a given region. Yes that also means that PoK should be shown as a part of Pakistan.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- BHAVIK PANCHMATIA says:
January 19,2010 at 11:57 AM IST
They have doen same thing for J
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Harry says:
January 19,2010 at 03:06 PM IST
good .... go ahead and ask Google .... how much even know about the truth ... ???
We have been tought that Arunachal Pradesh is part of india so we know that .. do we know the part of land is ours ... ???
If even we dont know this then how would google know that ... ??
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- jaysankar says:
January 19,2010 at 05:20 PM IST
See Mr, Bhagwad Jal Park, there is border and territory for each country and one company can not show such discrimination in any website. It is against policy of Internation border law. If someone claims one day your native as their own, will you keep quiet? Arunachal Pradesh is our land and I am gonna send a write-up to google for this fact. Have some patriotism in you.
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Bharat K says:
January 20,2010 at 01:01 PM IST
Its not about your or mine opinion...Arunachal Pradesh has a democraticaly elected government which is part of the sovereign state of India... if that is not sufficient enough..nothing else can suffice..
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- fadfd says:
January 21,2010 at 12:34 AM IST
if you open google earth in the US, it shows entire Kashmir including jammu as a disputed part!
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- shan says:
January 21,2010 at 01:02 AM IST
Well... India says Arunachal is theirs, China says Arunachal is theirs... Google decides not to take sides.
I dont see anything wrong with that.
If you want them to show Arunachal in India because they have Indian Govt, what do you say about POK. Would you accept Google showing it in Pakistan. And please dont tell me its a different issus... cos by that argument, every disputed territory is a unique issue.
Secondly, remember that an Indian common man (me and you) are biased by what we have come to learn/hear about these issues. So has a Pakistani or Chinese common man. Granted that what we hear is much more that the censorship in China and Pakistan (or so i think).
But at the end of the day, its not Googles responsibility to take sides. Plus its pretty open about its policy. Google has openly stated its policy in terms of 'disputed territories'. I dont see a double standard there.
But we asking for Arunachal on the map and not willing to drop POK on the map is double standard.
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(Reply to shan)- friend says:
January 22,2010 at 11:28 AM IST
guys, Arunchal goverment has put pressure on center asking to file case against google and resolve border issue
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(Reply to Bhagwad Jal Park)- Ramen says:
February 10,2010 at 01:02 AM IST
forget Google, with this comment u r showing ur own ignorance about ur own country...Arunachal is not something like POK...it has a government that is democratically elected according 2 Indian constitution...China only has some ego issues related to it...they never had any justifiable claim whatsoever...
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Ashok Gupta says:
January 15,2010 at 04:48 PM IST
The appropriate action under the International laws should be taken against Google. Tomorrow the whole of Northeast will be shown under China or a disputed territory, what will India do then. Why Google can't show Tibet as disputed, because are claiming their land which is under China's occupation.
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honey bhushan says:
January 15,2010 at 05:15 PM IST
Truth is truth Mr. Bhagwad. Arunachal pradesh is the undisputed part of india, even UN recognize it as. Tomorrow china comes and claims on west bengal, that doesn't mean that google should show it as disputed part just to appease china. since it concerns India, not you, you(google) can do it but that can hit you too, as China is now doing with you as in form of censorship and hacking. Just shrugg off these appeasing policy because being the number one search engine you have duty to keep information intact, otherwise dont forget someday your deed might revert back to you too.
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Indranil says:
January 15,2010 at 05:40 PM IST
Try to please everyone, and you end up pleasing no one! I am sure Google will realize soon the dangers of placating the Dragon more than the Tiger. Their current decision of withdrawing from China for the cockiness of the Chinese is just the tip of the iceberg. Unless the international community realizes the impunity by which China conducts itself both within its territory as well as internationally, and take appropriate measures to penalize them, it's not long before China's hegemonic designs over the world will manifest itself!
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prateek says:
January 15,2010 at 05:59 PM IST
People living in the same "disputed territoty" participated in full swing in the voting process of indian Democracy. Isn't is enough for any china or pakistan or google to acknowledge them as legitimate states of India.
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Samiir says:
January 15,2010 at 06:26 PM IST
What a waste! Google has done what any sensible professional organisation would do.Why should Google decide whose claim is right? Or rather why on earth should google follow the dictat of either China or India. least so India because for obvious reasons China is more important to it than india.
Look at everything with logic not emotions. and for the answer as to why we will forever be behind China---cause all we can do is to whip up emotions and weep and cry and get back to our crooked ways in life!
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(Reply to Samiir)- deep says:
January 15,2010 at 07:16 PM IST
Mtr Samiir, you seems to be a frustrated guy according to me, Google is a Search Engine and millions of people browse it, A company like Google shud be showing the truth not a myth in thier maps. India is an Imp. market for them too, they did this trick n tht the'll b able to escape it, however they can't.
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(Reply to deep)- Rajiv says:
January 15,2010 at 07:47 PM IST
Google has a right to be neutral. Since its a pvt firm. Why don't you boycott and go elsewhere if you have a problem with its products? This is an unnecessary debate.
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(Reply to Rajiv)- Arvind says:
January 16,2010 at 03:08 PM IST
Being neutral is showing kashmir as disputed, not Arunachal. We have fully functional Indian democratic government there. Why don't someone ask people of Arunachal to let them decide this?
Its not just some product, it has some liabilities associated with it.
This is not being neutral, theres another term for this .... Cunning.
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(Reply to Rajiv)- Deep says:
January 18,2010 at 05:43 PM IST
Honestly speaking i feel extremely proud to be an Indian, but the only thing which ashames me is tht we are a soft nation, n people like u makes us even more softer n weaker...with this forum we are just expressing our views and i do not find anythng wrong in it, Thanx to (TOI), we'll defenetly boycott and protest of what google is doing, u dnt wry at all , pls have a sip of tea n sit quitely like a rat,till the time som1 invades us.
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(Reply to Rajiv)- Abhigyan says:
January 19,2010 at 01:50 PM IST
Why not the Indian govt ban google and then Rajiv, Google will tuck its tails and come begging to us letting them to be a part of India. So please dont say why not bycott google.
Google and as such other companies like these often take shelter under the fact that they are US based and hence can get away by showing any sort of information however false.
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Deepesh says:
January 15,2010 at 07:12 PM IST
Google bosses needs to know 1 thng vry clearly . We aren't fools, u've been caught red handed. I protest with vigour and ask thm to apologies for this and make amendments without wasting any time. Arunachal is ours and it is an integral part of India.
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grsum says:
January 15,2010 at 08:25 PM IST
Such a unique piece of news.Kudos to the writer for bringing out such an issue in the open.Yes Arunachal pradesh is a part of india ,democratic elections have been running in it since long.And yes china may claim a.p to be its own,but so be it. To show it as a disputed area or as an undisputed part of China is wrong and probably legally.Because the fact is that any county might lay claim on it but it belongs to india. google neednot appease the chinese.
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Sumit says:
January 15,2010 at 11:21 PM IST
Google must go or change their map!
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Chetan says:
January 16,2010 at 12:44 AM IST
There Should be nation wide oppose against Google for doing such a irresponsible act.
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PRABHAT says:
January 16,2010 at 01:54 AM IST
THIS ACTION BY GOOGLE IS SENSIBLE. GOOGLE OPERATES IN WHOLE WORLD. IT CAN NOT TAKE ANY STAND ON ANY ISSUES UNTIL IT HAS BEEN RESOLVED BY CONFLICTING PARTIES.TAKING ONE STAND WILL CREATE PROBLEM FOR IT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.
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(Reply to PRABHAT)- Vitthal says:
January 18,2010 at 03:04 PM IST
But, why are they showing Arunachal as Part of China if it is a conflicting territory as per Google ?Google should take one stand and not three stands .... one for India, other for China and third for World.
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(Reply to PRABHAT)- ardibehest says:
January 19,2010 at 08:34 AM IST
Then why does Google do double-talk: please everybody and you please no-one. The old story of the Miller, the donkey and his son.
Wake up and defend your rights! And please be sensible or the dragon will eat you up. Remember the old Hindi Chini bhai bhai or maybe this generation does not remember this unhappy event when we were innocently taken in. Don't let any foreigner take you in with double-take and sweet word. Defend our rights. Jago
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Akshay Verleker says:
January 16,2010 at 02:32 AM IST
It would be nice if India also demands that Tibet be shown as an independent nation. Why are we falling back on these issues? Lets create some trouble for the Chinese idiots too :)
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(Reply to Akshay Verleker)- Shahid says:
January 18,2010 at 12:22 PM IST
I agree with you. If we be soft tomorrow china will create diaspute on UP and other parts of India. Infact Tibbet belongs more to us than china.
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(Reply to Akshay Verleker)- Yangkangee says:
January 19,2010 at 11:39 PM IST
An idiot ... Please put more troops to protect New Deli first... LOL ...
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BadboY says:
January 16,2010 at 02:55 AM IST
Sue Google ?! ;)
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Sumit says:
January 16,2010 at 06:05 AM IST
Google must go or change their map!
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sharma says:
January 16,2010 at 06:34 AM IST
Nice observation.....Stupids...making money over polemic matters....
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Vikram says:
January 16,2010 at 07:50 AM IST
Quoting Rajesh Kalra:
"If, for its security, it needs to take harsh measures that appear draconian, so be it. At least they would not regret later."
Mr. Kalra, to me thats a very naive view point. You seem to be almost restating the policy view of Mr. George Bush here. What do you think is the security issue China is facing today? I also don't understand why you don't consider loosing you expressive freedoms as regretful. Would you rather live repressed than die a free man? What do you live for?
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Abhinav Nishant says:
January 16,2010 at 04:19 PM IST
Well every thing is good, but what comes to my mind, be the place undisputed, thats not the concern right now, but I was thinking if Google can be put under a leagel trap?
Can't this be challenged for being inconsistent and misleading?
If it is disputed, we should all agree it, and if it is China or India, or any other godammn place, it should be consisten. This is simply "following double standards".
It's a plea to the leagel pundits, stand-up against this and take some action if it is feasible(technically). Taking things as granted will surely make us look like "idiots", as the auther expressd.
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Prakash says:
January 16,2010 at 06:28 PM IST
And once again people start cribbing about patriotism! I want to ask a simple question to all who question their fellowmen about being Indian - What have you done for your country? You are the same people who try to escape taxes, buy tickets in black, cheat anyone anywhere you go... So stop crying and see the fact. Coming to the topic... Mr. Writer seems t be trying to publicize himself by pulling a chord of being Indian n showing patriotism. But the fact is Google-India will show in favour of India and China will show what right acc. to them. Now if it shows a part of Arunachal n Kashmir to be in India in the Chineese website, they would file a case against them. Bottomline is they aren't fooling anyone bt just trying not to get into the dispute.
And to make it more clear for the FOOLS made by the Writer, the explanation is:
Google China shows what China thinks...
Google India shows what India thinks...
Google (other domain) shows what the Rest of the World thinks...
In short, it's potraying the image of these regions as seen by the above three domains (parts of the worlds)
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(Reply to Prakash)- honey bhushan says:
January 18,2010 at 02:55 PM IST
Hi Prakash, i am sorry to say that but your comment seems hypocratic. In my view even a black marketer have right to be patriotic. whatever happens in our house is internal matter, but that doesn't matter that we lose right to defend our house from outsider. On the other hand how can you claim that we are same people who does all illegal things, should i consider you one of them? and to the point, google is no one information provider they just cant show what people want to see. They cant temper with the truth. and we just cant sit back and see them doing that. We have every right to protest and no body can deny that
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(Reply to Prakash)- SS says:
January 17,2010 at 05:48 AM IST
@Prakash - And what have you done for your country, heh? Your "I am holier than thou" rant is irrelevant to the topic of the blog post.
Kudos to the author for bringing up an important point. International borders are not based on what rest of the world "thinks" but instead on UN accepted demarcations, treaties and de-facto control.
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(Reply to SS)- Prakash says:
January 17,2010 at 04:25 PM IST
UN seems to be nt taking a strong stand in favor of India nw-days...
Why Google take the headache of deciding the border?
And I never said I m holier thn u... just questioning them who question others, n u got offended, y? bitter truth?
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Sunil says:
January 16,2010 at 07:53 PM IST
I fail to see why Rajesh only looked at Google maps when most of the maps are showing AP as disputed territory. I personally feel this is not going to make any difference. AP is and will always be an integral part of India. Check map in Bing which Microsoft product they show AP as disputed state. Atleast google shows it part of India in India.
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Pavan says:
January 16,2010 at 08:03 PM IST
Good article ...thats just changing the ground realities ...when exactly was arunachal part of china ? Even Tibet cannot be part of china...
Same for Jammmu and Kashmir ...
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rahul says:
January 16,2010 at 09:23 PM IST
The writer claims it is okay for China to enforce censorship to protect its own interest, but not okay for Google to indulge in a form of censorship. Google is very much trying to protect its own interests.
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Vishal says:
January 17,2010 at 12:42 AM IST
Hi Prakash,
Same old statement which many have made in many posts across the cloud. Let me ask you 1 thing... Did you do anything before or after posting this comment? Would you haev written the same thing, had it been related to our other closer neighbour?
I would like to hear your response.
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(Reply to Vishal)- Prakash says:
January 17,2010 at 04:30 PM IST
Even in Google pakistan, it shws kashmir is disputed...
The point is u r nt able to see the point of view from Google perspective. U r thinking as an Indian, Google is not. It's just trying to save it's business by nt getting into dispute. Now tell me one thing - "Can you dare to question the same thing to a Chinese in China? and if you do, can you save ur own a$$ after that?"
Think about it!!!
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January 17,2010 at 03:43 AM IST
What an idiotic blog. First of all Google India, a subsidiary of Google, and not Google operates in India. You can force Google India to make changes but not Google Inc. Even China has jurisdiction over google.cn and not google.com
Secondly, by your logic PoK should be shown as a territory of Pakistan and not as a disputed territory. After all, it is administered by Pakistan. Same goes with Aksai-Chin.
Patriotism aside, I expect columnist at ToI to atleast think before what they write.
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(Reply to Jodhbir)- vineet says:
January 19,2010 at 02:03 AM IST
Can you Please define a "disputed land ". If tomorrow morning , our PM wakes up and says Mountain view is part of India , is that enough to make Google Headquarters a Disputed Land?? this is exactly what has happened with arunachal pradesh ..you should understand that Dispute does not exist over Arunachal pradesh
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(Reply to vineet )- Jodhbir says:
January 19,2010 at 02:46 PM IST
For your information, country borders are contentious issues and every country brings out its map. Cartography is really advanced these days and the disputed lines are known to both the countries.
Its not like one day the PM wakes up and says Mountain View is a part of India. Be logical, and think before you write.
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(Reply to Jodhbir)- vineet says:
January 19,2010 at 08:34 PM IST
Basics should be right first ..International Borders is not rocket science . How abt china publishing MAP in which Uttar Pradesh is shown part of it ? thats not cartography at all ... its a simple question .. where is the international border of India ...Answer this , if you decide to visit Arunachal today , do you need approval from chinese govt ?? if No, then why not ?
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(Reply to Jodhbir)- Shan says:
January 21,2010 at 01:06 AM IST
Apply the same yardstick to POK.
Can you visit POK without permission? Should they show it in Pakistan?
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SS says:
January 17,2010 at 05:41 AM IST
Thank you for bring this important point to public attention. Is someone in the government reading this?
As for comments that take the view that it's ok for Google to be "neutral" - that's ridiculous - the international borders should be respected as recognized by the UN and the world and as evidenced by de-facto control .
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Akshay says:
January 17,2010 at 11:58 AM IST
Clearly Editor pointed out some thing which should be taken on a serious note. We cant ignore these types of diplomatic acts by a company working in India. Today they showed it in a map tommrow they can put on the net that AP Belongs to china. And i think Jodhbir is a google employee lol :)
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Shikayat says:
January 18,2010 at 12:42 AM IST
It will be good idea to get the Google management and cane them 21 lashes each, in each of the big cities in Arunachal that way they everyone will know who caned them and where. I am sure they will start depicting the map correctly. If they still continue because of their immoral greed, they should be banned from India
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pareek says:
January 18,2010 at 06:59 AM IST
stupid Google, we should never use it again.
boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!boycott Google!
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v.k. vohra says:
January 18,2010 at 12:39 PM IST
We should not take it lying down from the google. If china is the biggest market, india is not behind and we must apply the same pressure to get what we want from google or kick them out.We are also one of the advanced country in IT.
By showing the maps they are misleading the world and trying to please the chinese for the business. The fact remains india has the physical control over Arunachal not china. And moreover, there is an elected government in Arunachal whereas, none of the chinese states or as a country itself has any elections, so to speak.
The writer is right when he says it hurts when you take every thing for granted and have an attitude of 'sab chalta hai'. We must stop such attitude and should give it back to google in kind so that it comes its senses and no one else messes around with us.
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DP says:
January 18,2010 at 01:56 PM IST
Ban Google all over the world. Do not use google. Google should be shut down immediately.
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Hemant says:
January 18,2010 at 02:07 PM IST
I for one will not use Google again for anything, be it the Gmail[Use Yahoo] or Search[Use Bling] or Picassa, Orkut(use Facebook). All those who are upset with this piece of news, lets take a joint action. Let us make the B*#$@8$@ bend on there knees and apologise. China is anycase not such a big mkt for them while India continues to be. They can not afford to rub us the wrong way. Let them figure out that this "Political correct" stand is not acceptable to us.
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sivaprakasam says:
January 18,2010 at 02:45 PM IST
do u know how kashmir is shown in google maps .
dude in the same way
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Parag Himanshu Dave says:
January 18,2010 at 03:03 PM IST
Google is company out to make money by hook or by crook. Much as I admire its search engine I cannot but note with disgust its recent policy towards India. Make money at all costs, without any sensitivities to a India as a nation.
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Staright From The Heart says:
January 18,2010 at 04:18 PM IST
All is well..but wish you were not batting in a cycling gear!!!!
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Viswanath says:
January 18,2010 at 05:09 PM IST
The question of pleasing some country or displeasing can be a matter of debate. However, there is something known as "truth", which can not be contradicted. Independent agencies should act like the guardian of truth. Then only people trust them.Then only they can survive for long.
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Colonel Mahendra Pratap Choudhary says:
January 18,2010 at 05:22 PM IST
Sir, I have served in the whole of Arunachal Pradesh (preciously known as North East Frontier Agency NEFA) and have patrolled all the places where the Chinese massacred Indian Army in TAWANG, SE LA, KE LA, CHBRE LA, GESHE LA, BUMB LA, MILE 6, BOM DI LA CHACKO ETC ETC. The question is if the Chinese thought at that time that it is their territory then why did they withdraw?? This only proves they are aggressors. At all these places the Indian Army ran but in the Walong sector the Brigade stuck on comprising of the DOGRAS, KUMAUNI AND SIKH BATTALIONS and the Chinese could not advance. Same thing happened in CHUSHUL AREA. AS for google, it should take the Historical perspective and then independently publiSh the maps. Mac Mohan Line was acceptable TO the Chinees through ages and when the British controlled NEFA they did not object to it. cHINEES are now illegally occupying 50000 sq KMs of AKASAI CHIN along with 20000 SQ KMs of J&K actually belonging to India and illegally ceeded to them by Pakistan. They are in possession of heights all along CHSHUL AIR FIELD as they could not capture it due to valiant fight put in by the Indian troops there. How ever they are now advancing to wards Indus from KIARY along Indus to DAMCHOWK and KARAKORAM. Unfortunately the the India Generals do not have a foresight nor do the higher ups in the Ministry of Defence and Foreign Affairs have any idea of on the ground situation in Ladakh and Arunachal. The TWO FRONT DOCTRINE of the present Chief of Army should have been in place right from 1947 when we are facing armies of two diffferent nations along the same border. For this India would need at least eight mountain divisions for offensive capability with weapons and equipment supported by Air Force in High Altitude. Naval presence is required in the PONGYANG TSO lake ahead of DAMCHOWK which lies 1/3 in China where they already have ships and for the rest 2/3 in India we have no Naval presence. Will our Policy Makers ever realize this.
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Just Curious says:
January 18,2010 at 05:39 PM IST
Many learned comments have been posted but ALL of them revolve around the ethics of Google's action in playing safe with both countries since it has substantial business interests in both and the potential for the future is even more promising.
That said, I support Rajesh Kalra for highlighting this unethical practice for the simple reason that although Google Maps have no loci standi in geopolitics, international relations or determining the sovereignty of a State over its territory, it must remain sensitive to its role and responsibility as an opinion maker.
How many millions of people across the Globe will be wrongly informed - particularly the impressionable student community, many of whom may later tenant responsible positions in the decision making process of their country's governance? How much more bad blood will be created when the fashionable thing to do these days is to talk about globalisation!
My view is that Google has access to all the technology for keeping its maps updated in real time. Therefore the correct thing for it to do would be show the correct position of Arunachal based on historical research and then if need be, add a layer of a different color over the portion in which there is a difference of opinion between India and China and leave it at that.
Please folks we can all do better than indulging in jingoism and xenophobia AND please don't forget that there is more to media and news reporting these days than meets the eye!
Jai Hind!
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PRAVIN says:
January 18,2010 at 05:45 PM IST
India & we indian are getting lethargic over the sensetive issues like above. All neighbours of India PAK, CHINA even tiny BANGLADESH, Lanka are showing eyes to india. Can we have a deterrent to them, we are 125 Crore country guys !!! Lets show them our charachter. Jai Hind !!
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ssmoorthy says:
January 18,2010 at 07:43 PM IST
The programmers do not know the history or politics or geography.they are just including in the program what has been given to them.It is the Google's responsible individuals who are in charge of the maps division that should be held responsible.The Google Company itself should be held responsible in the cour of law.If China is doing in a sneaky way India should protest.Indian leaders should have spine and guts.
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Rakesh says:
January 18,2010 at 07:56 PM IST
Unfortunetly our Politicians are not for the nation (Comparing with China), instead they are busy in their dirty politics and further dividing nation.
If this continues it won't be difficult for Chinese to consider India as Taiwan or Tibet and control us with their strong, arrogant and unified attitude.
Google tried to oppose Chinese, what is the result? Next day they say we are process of compromise......bla bla bla.
The truth is China don't care of anybody they know that they can even control the 'universal helper' (USA).
I don't see anything happening from our side and it won't happen until the last moment...
Good work reporter, please continue this work......
Thanks for the article
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Rajesh says:
January 18,2010 at 09:02 PM IST
This is all bullshit acts of being a soft nation. Gandhian philospphy works when you do not have much choices. Be illogical and put all historic facts/disputes in trash. Our govt needs to do one and only one thing, demand strongly from China and Google to change the map.. else prepare a stretegy to show chinese clumsy face to the world, threaten them to face the consequences, show defiance. We are a powerful nation with best and brightest of human resourses. No one should dare to eyes on us.. no one.
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Krishn Dev Singh says:
January 18,2010 at 10:59 PM IST
the truth is China and India both are cash cows for google and it's not good to harm your cows.. isn't it ?? so my dear friends go and forget all this which you are in anyway going to do...
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vineet says:
January 19,2010 at 01:44 AM IST
Please try to understand this new innovation by google. after spending billiions they found this method of arificial intelligence. This is it . You should appreciate the intelliegence here, you in india Arunachal in your country , you in china then Arunachal is yours... :) guess what ??? if Google realizes at the end of this week that the price they are going to pay for their decision of not censoring search results in china is too much ,,, you will see TAJ MAHAL In china too ...you see ,,the ultimate goal and mission of google is people's happiness ....so if world's greatest population is happy to see TAJ MAHAL within their country , so be it ... what else ??how about about a naval chord connecting china and pakistan displayed on Google earth if your current IP address is from china but your account was created from a Pakistani IP address ?
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ABC says:
January 19,2010 at 03:17 AM IST
Mr. Kalra is an embodiment of India's inferiority complex. You made your point that China is wonderful and India sucks. Now move on to a different and more constructive topic! Pan spitting in metro stations, eve teasing and goonda raj that hijacks the democracy - Put your pen to good use - not criticizing Congress but be constructive. If China progressed, good for them - we're not in any contest. It is more important to feed, cloth and shelter than elegance of Pragati Maidan. That country is about 800 years old (free since Kublai Khan) and they finally woke up 25 years ago. We are a 62 year old nation - awake all along but have much more work to do. You lamented in the past that Chinese think big and we don't (actually a Ratan Tata observation). I suggest you get familiar with AP departed CM YSR's Jalayagnam and other programs. He thought big as well! You didn't even know what is going on in second most populous state of your own country!
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pratiush says:
January 19,2010 at 03:26 AM IST
Hey, I am just seeing this serial in evening about Indian cookery and was hugely disappointed today to see the Indian Map on a TV show in UK. The map these guys didn’t had the whole of Kashmir. Where did it go????? Was the first thought which came to my mind.
What’s wrong with our leaders/bureaucrats. Is anybody bothered? Our country is been eaten away by neighbors and we are just lying over there busy in our scams. Why can’t we raise our voice and ask the world to show some respect towards our borders. How can we be treated like this and still not say anything. Is some one hearing?
TOI can you do something...........
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(Reply to pratiush)- Anuj Gupta says:
January 22,2010 at 12:59 PM IST
Yes it's the new show 3 part series where celebrated British chef Gordon Ramsey visits india, it's called 'Gordon's great escape'. Glad someone has spotted it and made an effort of putting it up here. Well I personallybelieve channel 4 is to blame who let them air it like this. It further re-unforced the myth among Brit Pakistani people and other people that let alone Kashmir the whole state is disputed. We live in a world where whatever information we find on Internet is used for educational purposes, so we need to wake up now and do something about it.
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Gurmohan says:
January 19,2010 at 04:28 AM IST
So, if they correct the map, will that stop China from making any claims on the territory? Does the UN go by the boundaries shown on google maps? Do the people of AP become any less Indian if google doesn't show it? I think this guy Kalra is just pointlessly tirading, if I may create another verb
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S L Gera says:
January 19,2010 at 05:15 AM IST
Is it not disgusting to know that the government of India did not raise any objection to Google's criminal act?
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suchmelb says:
January 19,2010 at 06:11 AM IST
Wonder what you are trying to say about Google's double standards.
If you go to www.google.co.in and search for "Map of India", you will see J&K as an integral part of India.
However, if you go to www.google.com and look for the same, you will see J&K as a disputed region with the entire state in dotted outline.
What's the big deal here? Why don't you allow Google to do its job, let the countries sort of their border issues and you pick up something worthwhile to write.
If TOI is paying you to write this, you must be really lucky to get away with such sub-standard articles you write that neither impresses nor inspires anyone.
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ardibehest says:
January 19,2010 at 08:36 AM IST
Google has always adopted double standards. Do no evil is the motto of Google but sadly it has taken a beating. Just consider when Google caved in to the Chinese with the result that liberties were stifled. Why did it take a turn-around? The answer is not far away.
Consider again how copy-rights were ignored. Once again liberties were over-ruled.
Insofar as having Indians show the Indian view-point and Chinese showing their view-point is concerned again it is a case of double-take. The Government should take stern action and force Google International to depict the LOC as it is and not show one of the seven sisters of our beloved country a part of China.
Wake up and force Multinationals to bow to our national will and depict the truth. Microsoft Encarta was corrected: why not Google?
Don't forget A large amount of Google's muscle power comes from Indians who have made Google what it is today.
Jago and don't allow double standards please
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SACHINDRA says:
January 19,2010 at 09:28 AM IST
CHINA CHINA every where. CHINA CHINA every where. The toys in India is Made in CHINA. The mobile in India is Made in CHINA. The cloths in India is Made in China. The computers in India is Made in China. The foods in India is Made in China. We have allowed China to come in all walks of our lifes. Hindi Chini bhai bhai... old saying and you all know what happed to us next...
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Dharmendra says:
January 19,2010 at 10:18 AM IST
have read some of the comments up here
Arunachal is a integral pert of india and should be displayed as part of india throughout the world.As sombody rightky pointed out that if tomorrow China starts displaying Delhi as its part then what.
Google should verfiy the facts, elections are regularly held in Arunachal under Indian Constitution and Google should respect the mandate of people of Arunachal.
Government and People should ask google to take a clear stand on this.
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Lata Shetty says:
January 19,2010 at 10:40 AM IST
Hi Rajesh,
I always admired your take on issues and your point of opinion.
Please keep writing.
Thanks
Lata
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Vinay says:
January 19,2010 at 11:35 AM IST
fair point to be raised... but i guess the government has its own ways to get this corrected.... lets not get google as a judge for AruP.
We just need to send clear message to the right people to China.
Thanks,
Vinay
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vishal shelke says:
January 19,2010 at 11:48 AM IST
Hi Thanks for putting this post. I have identified this fact about 3 months before by myself. but its good that you opened this issue with blog and have wider readers. Are we just going to read this blog and do nothing or at most post a comment or we are actually gonna take this to google and govt of india. If for any of you who is reading this can take this matter to press and media we can grab the attention of the govt. Rajesh, can you mail to times now regarding this.
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Dhruv says:
January 19,2010 at 12:05 PM IST
Google follows the policy of adhering to the maps in which google hosts its service.
So for both countries , it says wat the country say.
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Pankaj says:
January 19,2010 at 12:09 PM IST
Mr Kalra, one thing beyond comprehension is why are you so concerned about what is shown on the internet. Google is a large corporate house and its sole purpose is to earn profits. And everything is fair in love, war and business.
Just follow this simple rule - If you hate google, don't access it!! And do come up with something more sensible on this blog next time.
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(Reply to Pankaj)- Manohar Mishra says:
January 19,2010 at 06:34 PM IST
Dear Pankaj, donot try to extend the phrases like 'blah..blha.. in War and Love' to put your point across. You do well to tremember that East India Company was also in a way coporate house (atleast in terms of purpose of earning profit). What they did when they came to India is history.
This is not the question of some XYZ corp. doing whatever it thinks is right, rather whatever such acts done in the public domain shall become base of propagandas. It is like saying 'if you tell a lie 10 times that shall become the truth'. Going by your own logic, do you want India to buy/ source the weapon systems from the same countries which do sell the same/similar systems to Pakistan also ? After all the arms vendors are profit making companies right ? Why not allow Aljazeera to air their channel in India ? After all they too want to make business right ? Either we should ask Google to get out of India or be neutral.
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(Reply to Manohar Mishra)- Mahesh Patel says:
January 19,2010 at 11:02 PM IST
I fully agree that this is a complete nonsense blog. Are we such an insecure nation that mis-information about our map by a profit-hungry company shold be even worth the time commenting about?
I guess, this blog is written with the sole purpose of generating more and more comments.
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(Reply to Pankaj)- Avinash L says:
January 20,2010 at 10:22 AM IST
Mr. Pankaj.. well these dialouges are good only in the movies.. what do you mean by everything is fair in business.. If this would have been the case, then smugglers are doing their own business.. is this fair?? may be fair from their point of view, but what about the scocietys view? Well, the writer is 1000 times superior in knowledge and other sectors of life, so better you should keep mum next time.. as you said don't access google.. simply on the same logic, DON'T READ and COMMENT on the article which you dont like..
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Sandeep says:
January 19,2010 at 12:39 PM IST
this is the most disgusting and cheapest thing done by the Global search Giant.
GOOGLE are you not ashamed of what you are doing
you should also be be banned from India
be ware before you decide an nations teritory
take this as a warning from fellow indians and do the changes
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Prakash says:
January 19,2010 at 02:07 PM IST
For those who cry n demand to throw GOOGLE out, please check BING as well. I wish the WRITER does some RESEARCH before publishing anything STUPID like this.
Art of publicity: Writing bullsh*t against one of the most popular person/company/... to get the lime-light.
huh! We Indians are not fools, Mr.Writer!!!
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(Reply to Prakash)- shreekant says:
January 19,2010 at 06:36 PM IST
good one!
seriously, this has become a fashion to malign image of highly respected person/company/.. nowadays... just to get limelight. truly said. google is such a giant company that they dont have time to think over such a small thing... and if you want to protest then there are thousands of sites who talk well against india, now are you going to go on protesting against them too??? no! coz they are not popular! and protesting against them would not give you any limelight! mr. writer i think you should better not waste your time and my time... dont try to make us, indians, fools!
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(Reply to Prakash)- Rajdeep SIngh says:
January 19,2010 at 08:22 PM IST
I urge all Indians who have some sense of belongingness to this nation to stop using google and protest against their hypocritic stance..
This unethical behaviour cannot be expected from an MNC like Google
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(Reply to Rajdeep SIngh)- Prakash says:
January 20,2010 at 04:09 AM IST
You want urge all Indians... do a favour, try the things listed below
Urge them (and follow urself as well)...
1. to pay all their bills on time.
2. to pay income tax regularly.
3. to take out some time to vote.
4. to stop using duplicate/pirated products.
5. to stop giving/taking bribes.
... and the list goes on...
Don't try to show your patriotism in doing the easy and less important useless things, my fellow countrymen. It doesn't help the Nation grow...
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shreekant says:
January 19,2010 at 06:32 PM IST
why is everyone so angry with what google is doing?? if you want to convince anyone then it should be the chinese government... you convince them and the day they say ap is our land google will post that ap is indian land. why fight against google, those are good guys...
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Shobhit says:
January 19,2010 at 07:24 PM IST
Stupid article..makes no sense...Ofcourse google india and google china maps will show AP as their own respective territories while the international version will show it as disputed territory..I fail to see the problem with this.
Please do your research before posting illogical articles.
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mac says:
January 19,2010 at 07:26 PM IST
Its okay that you are unravelling some of google's fallacies but its nt really ok to read you say Arunachal Pradesh is a disputed territory. it made you sound like you are on china's side. Arunachal is India and vice-versa.
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Napolean says:
January 19,2010 at 08:22 PM IST
Lame! All your articles.. all of them! Lame!
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Sam says:
January 19,2010 at 09:04 PM IST
Kalra, take a break dude
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Syd says:
January 19,2010 at 11:12 PM IST
Have you seen the map of India shown in India? The Azad POK is shown part of India but in reality its not. Since childhood I have seen the complete J&K as part of Indian Map but in reality left-right horns are gone to Pak and China. So, who is Indian Govt fooling?
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K Kalidas (Singapore) says:
January 20,2010 at 03:35 AM IST
Put a group of men together - traditional Indians, those from Arunachala Pradesh(AP) and the Chinese - to an imaginary man from Mars and ask him to separate them into 2 groups - Indians and Chinese - and I am sure he will lump those from AP to the side of the Chinese. An uninitiated third party like the Africans may also do likewise. Apart from the issue of border sharing, physical looks and culture of of the people of AP may be more aligned to the Chinese. Delhi does not share a common border with China. AP does. This is just another angle of looking at the dispute.
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Avinash L says:
January 20,2010 at 10:15 AM IST
Fantasic Article.. Hats off to the writer who did this research.. It is shame on us that we are not taking any action against such blunders.
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(Reply to Avinash L)- shreekant says:
January 24,2010 at 02:15 PM IST
fantastic??
should i give you the list of ALL the sites which directly say words against india?? there are millions of such sites! are you going to take action against them too? it is a dispute between two countries, why blame google?
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Dehati says:
January 20,2010 at 02:06 PM IST
Good to see passion!My take: the blogger has given us some facts. People saying that as a business Google can not, should not and will not take sides is valid. We can form our own opinions on the values and integrity of Google and decide to be a big user of Google or try alternatives.
Having said that, my opinion: Google tom toms its values, style, culture, quest for world peace (a la Miss Worlds) more than any other business so their Arunanchal approach is amusing.
On a different subject, Hagen Daaz has more business and visibility because of their misdemeanours. Maybe Google is happy about this blog!!
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JP says:
January 20,2010 at 02:07 PM IST
Why blame Google, when Indians cannot demand action from its government to take enemy to action. Indians are to blame, because they refuse to take any action for 60 years and a day will come when entire India will be a disputed country, due to disputed governance provided by congress and bjp ellite folks. If Indians accept the carrot and stick approach and fall prey to divide and rule of congress, what can China do? What can Google do? What can Pakistan do? Indian governance is disputed first, before anything.
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Gautan H says:
January 20,2010 at 03:13 PM IST
Firstly, this 'post your comments' should be right at the top of the heap - not at the bottom of the world's comments...
Google represents the true american ideal - twist the words till the world does what you would like it to. if not, bomb them!
The same [as with Arunachal] is true with J&K as well...
Two-faced, yes they are - given them the power over us - we seem to have. Can there be an Indian cartographer able to do this job and put up on a website somewhere?
Clearly International law means nothing to google - illegal occupation of territories is actively encouraged [as per the american ideal].
We, the free people of India, have to free ourselves from this western domination. Why do THEY decide what a map looks like?
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Shweta Misra says:
January 20,2010 at 03:53 PM IST
I am living in Tawang, Arunachal. YES, Arunachal is India without doubt.
China's claims are highly offensive and absolutely ridiculous. Google is a company of world stature and this is an utterly irresposible act from a company of such repute.
Its not long ago, when we read that Indian Flag had to be incorporated in 'Farmville' because of the collective displeasure expressed by the Indian netizens......
Indian netizens...wake up...its nations repute calling once again...do something so that Google is forced to have just one map for Arunachal which is Indian Arunachal.
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Pooja says:
January 20,2010 at 04:00 PM IST
Well I think from a company's point of view and that too Google , a branded company, this is just a matter of data inconistency which should be strictly taken care by the Google before any allegations or complaints lodged against it.
Its not the matter of country's dispute here, its the matter of a mistake google has committed by giving wrong info which is not acceptable.
Just imagine, google pakistan map will display kashmir on its side.!!
wat an error !!!
great Mr Rajiv.....good pick !!
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nisarg says:
January 20,2010 at 04:50 PM IST
it's same with kashmir. Pls see the map of kashmir.
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Himanshu Sharma says:
January 20,2010 at 04:57 PM IST
What does this government and it's boss Ms. Sonia has to say about this? Do they have some opinion in this matter? Does she even know where Arunachal is? Or she will only know it when her son tries to have a congress joining campaign in Arunachal?
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(Reply to Himanshu Sharma)- pooja says:
January 21,2010 at 09:56 AM IST
This is not the matter of sonia gandhi....or any other politician....its just that google is a trusted source, it cannot display such info without gathering facts..moreover data consistency is the ethics of any company like Google.
dont bring polticians in between..since they hardly get time to surf google , they are busy in money storage rather than information storage.!!
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Mohd Abubakr says:
January 20,2010 at 05:41 PM IST
What crap! The author is just speaking non-sense. In fact, I have read some of his posts earlier...and most of the times, he tries to write for audience that doesn't think much or what audience wants to listen. It’s the high time for Indian Journalists to think globally, if at all we wish to be a developed nation.
China has repeatedly said that Arunachal Pradesh as their territory and so is India. Google did the right thing here. For Google China it shows Arunachal Pradesh as Chinese territory and for Google India, it shows it as Indian Territory. For Google Global version, it has shown it as disputed area.
I know that, during our school days, we were shown a Map of India and we were told this was India. However, in actual terms, there are regions which have been occupied either due to our lack of Military strength or lack of aggressively fighting back. Instead of accusing Google for double standards… why the author doesn’t demand Indian government to settle the issue. The reason is simple… Google is in limelight and this guy wants to gain some extra hits by involving Google, China and India.
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SUJATA MISHRA says:
January 20,2010 at 09:36 PM IST
I know why the google creates this mischeaf. It is nothing but a publicity stunt. The google deliberately doing this. Further, we cannot do anything if China takes away Arunachal pradesh from us. We just debate over the matter and request China politely not to do that.
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Sami Vas says:
January 20,2010 at 10:12 PM IST
Googles should forthwith be ordered by the Indian government to delete all such maps pertaining to India within a week or else leave the country for good!
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Dr.shoaib says:
January 20,2010 at 10:45 PM IST
as a Pakistani i can say china is right.in India so many states which are not Indian states .just captured
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(Reply to Dr.shoaib)- Me says:
February 09,2010 at 08:38 PM IST
What else a paki can say??????...... :-)........
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Sanjay says:
January 21,2010 at 01:21 AM IST
While we certainly can be patriotic in demanding our lands, We can be more patriotic in insisting our public servants, from the PM down to the local clerk, give us running steady water and electricity. China gives its people that, can we do the same for Arunachal Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Delhi and points inbetween?
Lets not worry about Google's maps and worry about the actual condition of our roads in Arunchal Pradesh instead.
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Prem says:
January 21,2010 at 10:02 AM IST
Fully agree with the Author. If Google has any business ethics or corporate principles, it should not fool the world by its' triple standards'.
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Sukhmani says:
January 21,2010 at 05:38 PM IST
well well well, Google's a profit motivated company. That's a business strategy sans any ethics. It must have felt crushed between towering giants and chose to appease both. GOOGLE IN NEUTRAL MODE?
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KUNAL says:
January 22,2010 at 01:25 AM IST
iTS NO MORE ABOUT CRICKET, ITS MORE LIKE CRIC-HATE.
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Bobby says:
January 22,2010 at 11:56 AM IST
I like your articles, that I have already mentioned it n number of times, but I like reading you more when you write about China.
I dont know what is it about me but either I hate China or envy China, but I certainly (like any other Indian perhaps) cannot ignore China.
Anyways, you have really brought up a nice topic to laymans attention. I, being currently in US, could see the disputed territory version and that in itself pi**ed me off considering we have a democratically elected government in Arunachal and that too for years now. But seeing the Chinese version of map have irritated me further and something should be done about this.
But then I always end up at one question. How?
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Shashwat Gupta says:
January 23,2010 at 01:24 PM IST
It is good to see that this is being highlighted. And the way J&K is shown in the 3 maps is weird too!
Also, I would like to bring to everyone's attention what our Government has done about it:
http://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/6231609203
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Kmohan says:
January 25,2010 at 04:58 AM IST
What Rajesh Kalra says is very smart indeed. Google with its computer power may influence the view of the other world for each other. But reality perception would be different if Armies of China walk into Arunachal Pradesh, if, and only if, we have our Armies are standing there to defend our territory. The biggest concern is whether our country is willing to realize the evil design of China in propagating to the world that it is their territory. Google may be as greedy and corrupt or may be more so than our political leaders. A day may come soon when they thy will defy any power and say no to anyone. It may be too late for India to do anything about it. American economy is too highly drugged by cheap Chinese goods and will not argue much with China. India must be careful and keep the willing well equipped Army for realistic defense. Maps are for people who sit in halls of Politics and not fight on the land. If we sit in the Big Halls with folded hands and not station our Armies in Arunachal Pradesh then we will have huge problem and run to the United Nations with our folded hands. Nothing will ever happen.
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Dheeraj says:
January 25,2010 at 08:59 AM IST
Yes, we need to pressurise GOOGLE and the Chinese govt. at diplomatic level. This issue should not be taken lightly. We need to raise this point on international stage then only google and china will count us. C'mon Indian Govt. take whatever necessary actions are required, every single Indian is with you. Go ahead.
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Ananta says:
January 26,2010 at 12:48 AM IST
google is doing business in both sides. They can't support anyone.
Begin such a big company times of india online edition has pictures of Serina Williams underwear and all semi nude and vulgar. Do you think the guy who is giving lecture here in blogs will stop that. NO
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Ravi says:
January 29,2010 at 11:15 AM IST
I think google is stuck in a bad place here. They thought that they have a solution, i.e., showing 3 versions of the map. I guess that is not a solution either.
Anyone notice that the same map magic happens with kashmir region as well? Entire Jammu & Kashmir shows up as disputed territory on google china maps!
I think if google really wants to play neutral they should show the UN version of the maps and leave the rest up to the countries. They should not come up and show 3 conflicting maps !
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Vivek says:
February 08,2010 at 02:52 PM IST
Rajesh,
In this blog, you have severly critizised Google for showing JK and Arunachal Pradesh as disputed regions. But what about Times of India itself showing JK not as a part of India. Couldn't believe? Check this site http://infotech.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/5145461.cms.
Now whats ur say?
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(Reply to Vivek)- Rajesh Kalra says:
February 08,2010 at 03:50 PM IST
Thanks a lot for pointing this out, Vivek. This was a mistake and is being set right. Sorry about this. The concerned Editor was spoken to and has been asked to be extra cautious. Thanks again.
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(Reply to Rajesh Kalra)- Vivek says:
February 08,2010 at 04:46 PM IST
Thats good. India's map is shown incorrectly in other pages as well (in the same slideshow).
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Kamal says:
February 15,2010 at 02:23 AM IST
In my opinion, Google should show it as disputed everywhere untill India and China wont give there consent about the status of that area. Google cannnot take the decision about the disputed area. But on the other hand it is also not ethical showing this area in China if I see from China and showing within India if it is seen from India. Google has no rights to decide about the international boundry.
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Abhi Raj says:
February 15,2010 at 04:02 AM IST
Tomorrow if Britain claims USA as a part of Great Britain, will they show differently in their maps? It is not a matter of who takes whos side, Google must be consistent.
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Kunal Goley says:
March 02,2010 at 06:39 PM IST
Not only that......take a look at the state of Jammu and Kashmir....half of it shown as a part of China on http://ditu.google.com/ whereas it's shown correctly on http://maps.google.co.in/ and as Rajesh says - "the fun begins when it comes to opening the map available on the international edition at http://maps.google.com." - the entire state is shown as a disputed territory.
Wondering when India would have power and will to punish Google and others.
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